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vera
Tuesday, December 10, 2013, 4:44am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Hello everybody,

I would appreciate it if anybody could help me with this issue. I started the ER4YT diet but I am not sure if I should drop the Kombucha. I am a type O, but I don't know if I am a secretor yet. Since I don't find Kombucha in the food list, I'd like to know if anybody knows if Kombucha is ok for blood type O.

Thank you in advance!
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Kombucha tea is rated in GenoType Diet and in SWAMI diet software, but is not rated in Blood Type Diet (i.e., in the books ER4YT, LR4YT, and the TYPEbase Food Values).

Blood type O can be one of three genotypes: Hunter, Gatherer, Explorer.

For Hunter kombucha tea is a toxin - an avoid. For Gatherer it is a superfood. For Explorere kombucha tea is not rated.

The basic rule is that whenever a food is not rated, treat it as neutral. But given that you are an O and that kombucha is an avoid for Hunters, it would be better to sort out your genotype.

The simplest way is to have SWAMI, which will calculate for you your genotype and your food lists (and more) according to body measures that you take and data the you feed into your personal SWAMI questionnaire.

I am a Gatherer and kombucha tea is a diamond in my SWAMI. I also absolutely love it.

I think that if kombucha tea would be your reason to get yourself a SWAMI - you have won big time.    




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Tuesday, December 10, 2013, 5:19am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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this is one of the foods that it seems to be best to listen to your own body on. my mother is a gatherer but he swami says avoid, and it has no obviose effects on her and she can take it or leave it.
this explorers swami gives it to me as a diamond for now and I will simply miss it if I go with out for a while. can't realy explain it better than that. if you drink it and realy want it if you don't have it for a while go ahead untill it loses its appeal for you.
i will go through it is stages, when i first found it i could drink eight bottles a day (and once or twice did), when i got pregnant it just did not appeal to me for a few months. right now i tend to want one a day. listen to your body, what dose it say about it right now?


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listen to #6
Dr D explain swami

http://www.4yourtype.com/MEDIA_audio.asp


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I have found a few people get an cumulative reaction with wine and kombucha, i have noticed that they get very drunk on very little wine if they are also drinking kombucha. one person that that seems to happen to is likely an explorer but perhaps a skewed hunter/explorer.

Either way make sure that it is not a sweet kombuch and you are a gatherer, or you'll be a diabetic before you know it assuming you are not already or a pre-diabetic.

having said all that My daughter thrives on kombucha although she is young. She types out as a gatherer but is very compliant. i think she may eventually tune out to be a hunter though.


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Thank you all for your help!  
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Just thought I'd add that K-tea has gone to neutral from Avoid when I adjusted my Swami  for cancer, as a I can indeed take it or leave it. As BD says listen to you body. I love my swami however.


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vera
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I am finding hard to accept that on one hand there is a ER4YT list of foods for each blood type. And on the other hand some foods from that list can be a toxin or a superfood for that specific type, depending of what genotype we are. That means that whoever is following the ER4YT alone, can be eating a lot of toxins before that individual finds out what his or her genotype is. This sounds to me a bit contradictory and perhaps misguiding.

The example of the Kombucha is a good one. Tea and sugar are both avoid for type O, and regular Kombucha preserves its levels of sugar, unless it is so old that we can't drink it. Plus, it is full of caffeine (it does not go away) and it has vinegar, another avoid. But on the other hand - according to what one of the members says - it is a superfood for Gatherers. It does not make sense. Then, my question is, what the reasoning behind this classification is? I'd would appreciate any well informed explanation.

By the way, thanks again to everybody for their time.
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If someone where eating the typical american diet, the blood type diet would be better for them. I'm sure you are happy with that.

moving to a blood type diet with secretor status is then better still especially if you are a non scretor.

as you progress you eventually get to the stage were you are not just trying to eat right but actually trying to change you destiny. the geno diet is a step on from the blood type diet and any diet.

the foods change, but you are doing something different.

the information that the geno type measurement give and even more detail that swami gives fine tunes the diet.

Might be an idea for you to read or re read Dr D's books, in order, then by the time you get to swami you fully understand where he is aiming for.

you could look at it another way. you have alternatives but they are as follows

some people think the fat free raw vegan is the only way.

some people think vegetarian is the way

some people think paleo is the only way

none of these are amending your future because they took the time and trouble to research your past.

If you were to ask why do none of these other diets live up to the expectation of all of us, that is because they pale into insignificance next to Dr D work.

once you I got that i had less questions and then more interest in the fine detail.


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I am finding hard to accept that on one hand there is a ER4YT list of foods for each blood type. And on the other hand some foods from that list can be a toxin or a superfood for that specific type, depending of what genotype we are. That means that whoever is following the ER4YT alone, can be eating a lot of toxins before that individual finds out what his or her genotype is. This sounds to me a bit contradictory and perhaps misguiding.



It can be confusing.

Short answer: Different diets with different goals. Follow the one that works best for you, or get a SWAMI to get the best of both that changes with you when you change.

The longer answer is that everyone is different anyhow, and the different diets address these differences in a different manner, with SWAMI the most "differential".
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I see it this way, every book and the diet with it was a work in progress as dr.d researched foods and their effects on different blood groups. the first bt was a blanket of foods that worked and did not work for the majority of a, b, ab, and o types.
the geno was a fine tuning as his research showed diffent factions with in the basic blood types and noticed these reacted diferntly even with the foods that might work or not work for the majority of that blood group.
swami is the best yet because even on top of the research already done it can take your personal diatary needs based on both family and personal medical history and give recommendations for you. as an exsample I will give blood type 0 and tomatos. as a general rule the o blood type handles tomatos rather well and the first diet had them as being ok. for an o hunter the acid of the tomato can cause problems and is therefor not recommended while the more robust gatherer can generaly handle it. then you get into swami and mention in your history or family history that you are suseptable to arthritis which all nightshades can agrivate and it will tell you to avoid tomatos.
each diet is a progresson on the work before and for someone new to this way of eating who has lived on the wrong foods, and become addicted to them, each change may be a big deal as new foods are introduced that were not eaten before come into focus and old fall backs must be abandoned and substituted.
every one is different so finding out which of the first two works better is a bit of a testing and with swami it is not always easy to say if one factor you mentioned is actualy in play in your life or if you omitted one that is and makes a big difference. I changed (for exsample) my heritage from cuacason to native American as I have some in my history. it took two fruits from one being occasional and the other diamond and switching them around. the change has made me quite happy as I liked them both but like the one that had been occasional (mango) and moved it to diamond while the other (peach) I liked alright but would get tired of rather fast and it became occasional. one simple change that I could have recorded ether way but what a difference it can make with swami.


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Thank you for your helpful reply.

You said: "swami is the best yet because even on top of the research already done..."
What specific research you are referring to? Could you please give me the reference? I'd be very interested in reading those results.

On his first book Dr D'Adamo says: "At this point, you might be wondering about other blood type identifiers, such as positive/negative, or secretor/non-secretor. ... These variations or subgroups within blood types play relatively insignificant roles. More than 90% of the factors associated with your blood type are related to your primary blood type, O, A, B, or AB."
The Blood Type Diet is characterized more by "what you eat rather than what you avoid"

I'd like to read the research that made him change his mind so drastically.

Thanks again,
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mostly the reaserch going into each new food he puts onto swami at the moment. try his blogs. I have not taken the time to read them all but the few I have read are very detailed. he has a research center, I think in new York (been a while sence I fallowed that as I live too far away for it to help me) you might try asking him for a way to read his variouse papers. he comes on the forum himself to check up on us and see if there is an issue he needs to look into further.


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But on the other hand - according to what one of the members says - it is a superfood for Gatherers.
I did!   It's in the Gatherer's diet food lists in the book The GenoType Diet, aka Change Your Genetic History.



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Thank you for your helpful reply.

You said: "swami is the best yet because even on top of the research already done..."
What specific research you are referring to? Could you please give me the reference? I'd be very interested in reading those results.

......

I'd like to read the research that made him change his mind so drastically.

Here in the forum you hear the voice of experience. Many of us started with BTD, then changed to GTD when it was released, and later to SWAMI, so we had a couple of years of experience between the diets, quite a long time, enough to consider which diet was eventually most suitable for us. There are members who chose to stick with BTD. As for myself, no diet has ever been so successful for me as is the personal diet that SWAMI taylored for me.


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I'd like to read the research that made him change his mind so drastically.
I cannot point out a specific research, but I'm sure that there are a lot more than one research.

Anyway, Dr. D has never retracted BTD. What he has been doing is keeping adding to it, as a tree is branching.

This reminds me: In my youth I studied a preparatory course in ancient Greek. One of the first simple sentences that the professor chose to present in her book was "Anthropos mantanei", meaning "A human being learns".

About a year ago I met this professor, now a 89 years old lady, while waiting in line for a couple of hours in a very busy ophthalmology clinic. At one moment I found myself sitting on the bench next to her, so I dared and thanked her for her choice decades ago of that wonderful unforgettable wise short sentence, and she replied immediately: "Ah! I took it from Plato!"  



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As stated by Lloyd, yes, it can be confusing. But information changes with new knowledge and so I have found for myself, it is best to keep an open mind or risk being stuck with outdated concepts.
Everything is evolving but with the various processes that I have tried in an effort to regain my health, I have been brought to the Geno Type and Swami. And I must admit that this has truly changed me as well as many friends and relatives lives. So…yes, at times it was frustrating, spent a lot of money and time to get to this point, yet I don't see any of it as a waste. I thank God that I kept moving forward rather than give up and remain static and then I pleasantly "bumped" into Geno Type and Swami. I am no longer seeking and trying 'this and that' to regain my health, rather I am now enjoying the things I like to do because of the vast improvements in my health. There is a learning curve for everything and this did not happen overnight but I am forever grateful for Dr. D'Adamo's inquiring mind and his ability to translate it all into reality. My motto is to - never, ever lose hope!  
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I'd like to read the research that made him change his mind so drastically.

In each of Dr. D'Adamo's books is a list of references or recommended reading.

Eat Right 4 Your Type is the basic blood type diet.

Live Right 4 Your Type includes Secretor status.

The whole health series depending on what medical issue specifically addressed in the specific book include Secretor status.

The Genotype Diet introduces the concept that we can change how our genes represent themselves and therefore, what level of health we are able to maintain, etc.

SWAMI software blends all of the concepts together in a way that no book could ever do because of the number of variables included and analyzed.  The printout becomes your own diet book, with some general descriptions about the groups you fall into.


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I'd like to read the research that made him change his mind so drastically.

Thanks again,


Look into the Learn more tab at top of page. (it will drop down many video, good reads etc, )


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I am finding hard to accept that on one hand there is a ER4YT list of foods for each blood type. And on the other hand some foods from that list can be a toxin or a superfood for that specific type, depending of what genotype we are. That means that whoever is following the ER4YT alone, can be eating a lot of toxins before that individual finds out what his or her genotype is. This sounds to me a bit contradictory and perhaps misguiding.

The example of the Kombucha is a good one. Tea and sugar are both avoid for type O, and regular Kombucha preserves its levels of sugar, unless it is so old that we can't drink it. Plus, it is full of caffeine (it does not go away) and it has vinegar, another avoid. But on the other hand - according to what one of the members says - it is a superfood for Gatherers. It does not make sense. Then, my question is, what the reasoning behind this classification is? I'd would appreciate any well informed explanation.

By the way, thanks again to everybody for their time.

Here's how I see it:

We're all unique individuals. No  two people should be eating the exact same thing. But Dr D can't sell a book that's THAT personalized! He wrote his books primarily because he wanted to get this information out to a larger audience; help more people than he could possibly see in his clinic.

So the book made some compromises. It lists the foods that *most Os* do well on, as well as the foods that *most Os* do poorly on. Later he refined the book to include secretor variations, listing what *most O nonnies* and *most O secretors* should be eating.

Genotype Diet was developed when he realized that many of his patients didn't do well on BTD. He took a look at a wider range of body measurements, not just blood type, and came up with the 6 genotypes that most people fit into. He listed what *most Gatherers* and *Most hunters* do well on, even though there are always going to be slight (or not-so=slight) individual variations from the diets in the book.

Then he started working on SWAMI. Dr D knows that "not everybody can afford to spend $70 per person for a diet, vs buying a book for $20 and using it for the whole family" so he  got the books out first. SWAMI is a computer program that computes a diet just for you. Dr D uses a version of the same program in his practice, though I think he manually overrides some of the values for some of his clients. As wonderful as this software is, it's still not as complex as the human body or the human mind. Sometimes SWAMI results need to be tweaked, but less often (and in more subtle ways) than BTD or GTD needs to be tweaked.

Dr D's goal,  from the beginning, was personalized nutrition. It just took a few steps to get there.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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