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Aussie
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Hi again everyone!

After a year (or maybe more) of feeling sick - constantly - I have come back to the site in the hope that I will find the will power to stick to the food that I know will make me feel better.

I am only 42 but have felt nothing but tired all the time.  Have put on additional weight (now 112kg!), feel like I am overheating and sweating all the time (yes I do live in Qld but still!) and know that it is not hormonal and I just feel terrible all the time.  

My two children, 7 and 11, aren't getting value for money so far as their mum is concerned and I feel sad for that.

My biggest problem is (and always has been) bread.  I have toast for breakfast, sandwich for lunch and some type of carbohydrate for dinner.  I know this is a big part of my constantly feeling terrible but I really don't know what to supplement bread with (preferably quick and easy) and yes I have looked at the recipes available on line but what do normal people eat instead of bread!?.

Thanks for letting me vent and any ideas would be appreciated.

P.S. Have just ordered the Type O cook book.
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I do not eat bread and do not miss it.

No need for a substitute just eat vegetables, meats, and salads without bread.


But if bread is what you feel you need you can make bread out of seeds or beans that are complaint with the diet plan you are following.


Flax bread:

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/recipedepictor7x.cgi?1215

Seed and nut bread:

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/recipedepictor7x.cgi?1104

Black bean bread:

http://tryabouttime.com/black-bean-flat-bread/


MIfHI                            I follow a SWAMI diet.
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You'll really enjoy the cookbook, Aussie.



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Quoted from Aussie
My biggest problem is (and always has been) bread.  I have toast for breakfast, sandwich for lunch and some type of carbohydrate for dinner.  I know this is a big part of my constantly feeling terrible but I really don't know what to supplement bread with (preferably quick and easy) and yes I have looked at the recipes available on line but what do normal people eat instead of bread!?.
This exactly used to be my problem too. In my 20's my younger brother once commented: 'What's the problem for yaeli to finish half a Chala?' (a Jewish traditional bread baked especially for Shabbat and eaten during Saturdays).

My substitution for bread/wheat when I began BTD were 100% rye crackers. I kept at home tons of them and had them all the time, I was in such a panic not to get hungry (i.e., cravings), and still I immediately started to lose weight. The truth is that nowadays we don't really need bread at all. The carbs I eat now are basmati rice, rice pasta, and sweet potatoes. I get carbs from root vegetables. But then, when I was doing the switch to no-wheat diet, I absolutely needed an emotional support, and rye crackers was the answer. In time, while going more and more into BTD and learning how to manage my everyday eating, I could slowly slowly let them go.


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My substitution for bread/wheat when I began BTD were 100% rye crackers. I kept at home tons of them and had them all the time, I was in such a panic not to get hungry (i.e., cravings), and still I immediately started to lose weight.


The strange thing is that whilst it would be wonderful to loose the weight I have gained (and in the past this would always have been my first goal) my immediate goal now is to get some energy back!  I crave to no longer constantly feel tired and this feeling makes me miserable and that's not normally me.  I need willpower to kick this feeling of being unhealthy to the curb!
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OMG!

Have just gone back through the ERFYT book and have found that avocado's are an avoid!  I can't remember seeing that before. I eat 1 1/2 to 2 avocado's a week!  Hmmm cutting out avocado's will be an easier start than the bread.  

Does anyone know why no avocado's for O's?
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Use lettuce leaves instead of bread to wrap things in--

Make a few baked sweet potato as snacks and eat them straight from the fridge while you are on the go.

I know people have more ideas for you.

Take some time to make food for yourself let the house cleaning wait.


MIFHI

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"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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Welcome back.  A burger pattie (or two) for breakfast will do you good.  It could be the Tyrosine in the wheat you are craving.  Good thing red meat has Tyrosine too!  


Be who you are.  Those who mind don't matter, those who matter won't mind.

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Quoted from Aussie
OMG!

Have just gone back through the ERFYT book and have found that avocado's are an avoid!  I can't remember seeing that before. I eat 1 1/2 to 2 avocado's a week!  Hmmm cutting out avocado's will be an easier start than the bread.  

Does anyone know why no avocado's for O's?
not true for nonnies like yourself.  Only O secretors need to avoid them.

I use rice cakes in place of morning toast, and I spread almond butter on them.  But that's if there's no leftovers from supper available.



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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You identify yourself as Gatherer, yet you're following the classic BTD, is that correct?


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Your energy will start to return and increase the minute you start to heal your gut. It is the simple rule. When you concentrate on healing you gut your reward doesn't delay.



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I love your first post, it sounds so honest in its desire to learn what when and where..

So let me ask a question, WHat do you like ON all that bread?  There is no doubt that bread is nice, but if it where not for the toasting, or the flavor foods you put on it,  then it would be way less desirable. -----------To replace bread- buy walnuts and eat them … with dinner food or alone in small grab pieces.  

I know I live with the love of carbs.. grains, and smells of bakery flavors of old times.  It is hard, but You can indeed get used to having things Good for you and still get satisfaction.  Why not eat the jelly on a spoon, the sauce from a ladle, the butter on eggs, salty foods by hand?

I like eggs CRisp on the bottom side,, then over light.. if they are just slightly cooked on either side, there is not enough crunch.  I need something between my teeth, one side nice and crisp cooked with ghee or butter-mmh, and that takes care of breakfast.  

AT the beginning it is hard to imagine, but when you eat enough, repeat, enough of the Beneficials and Super bebeficilas /allowed foods, then hunger and wishes get satisfied.

I see the issue not one of food as much as being tired, grabbing for what is easy.  Would a banana do? would pineapple junks fill the empty space between teeth, before dinner?

At first, it is IMportant to eat enough, no matter the portion.  Find the foods you LOve to begin with, enjoy to begin with, shop them, then eat them.  Find a way to eat blueberries, if it need to cool you on the inside then freeze them.. Freeze your own berries when they grow in season.  Same with getting over ripe bananas, slice and freeze, then eat like icecream, in a bowl or in smoothies.  

Eat fruit whole, Drink vegetables in juice so you can absorb the nutrients quickly.  add icecubes if that sounds good.  No soda, no artificial sugar.  Enjoy a chocolate treat  every day, make it more and more dark.. The darker, the more coco in the choc the less you will need heaps of it.  A morsel will be enough and when you eat that morsel you are eating ‘feel good medicine.’

The other thing if you can find it locally, get some D-Ribose in some form.  I changed the way I felt all my life, by eating some of it in Dr D's supplemental sugar replacement form, a powder called Trehalose.  Plain it is a sugar that does not create cravings.. buy it on the internet.

In the Trehalose Complex from Dr D there is D-Ribose.  That stuff is great. You might be far away to get some, but its worth the effort.  There was a thread 2 years ago with hundreds of testaments of how great TC made us feel.  worth a try.  Depression and discouragement and feeling inadequate is in need of serious attention.  Give it the attention it deserves, and get the mood changing help you may need.  IF it is right for you as hundreds of others here experienced- then you will know in the first day- how good it is.   Even worth the postage.. Look up the two things on the internet.. alone or mixed,,, wow!

If you like what we say I will stay with you for a long time to see to it that you are not alone. We only can do things with friends..

Are you craving? or hungry?  I have solutions for both.  Take one table spoon or less of extra light olive oil inbetween food, as a snack.  Wash down with water -- should be flavorless.  in that way you are way less hungry and satisfy the brain with 'wants!   try it one hour away from food whenever you would become hungry. it will work in 20 minutes.  

When did this feeling tired start?  what is your life like? hectic or OK?   what is sleep like? can you take naps and do they help?

am I giving you to much to digest?   All the best...


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!

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Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Use lettuce leaves instead of bread to wrap things in--



Andrea this actually sounded really nice!

As it is summer here I love eating crunchy lettuce (normally on bread   ) but yes I think I would enjoy eating crunchy lettuce with cold cuts of beef, tomato's and beetroot.  TY
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You identify yourself as Gatherer, yet you're following the classic BTD, is that correct?


I did get the SWAMI software for Christmas a couple of years ago but have to be honest and say that I left a few bits out as I was unsure of how to do the measuring.  

I probably need to purchase the software again and start from scratch.

Crazy - I have bought all the books and have read all your stories/backgrounds/feedback. Why can't I get up the courage/willpower/guts to not eat the c**p that makes me sick?

I feel pathetic this morning as I have woken up with my first thoughts being - coffee!  I know I should do the hot lemon but what do I do?  Go for the coffee instead!  I am my own worst enemy who has continually sabotaged herself when it comes to food.

Maybe I need a trip to the psych ward instead!!!
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I love your first post, it sounds so honest in its desire to learn what when and where..

So let me ask a question, WHat do you like ON all that bread?  There is no doubt that bread is nice, but if it where not for the toasting, or the flavor foods you put on it,  then it would be way less desirable. -----------To replace bread- buy walnuts and eat them … with dinner food or alone in small grab pieces.  



Your message made me think Goldie and the answer was pretty simple.  I eat a lot of bread because I'm lazy.  It is quick, easy and a security blanket for me when I am not sleeping at 1am to have it with good 'ole Vegemite!
For breakfast I will usually have tomato on toast (after already having eaten some at a ridiculous time of the night).  So yes. I think laziness has a lot to do with it!

In saying that though I think the laziness has been a big part of my constantly feeling like c**p and with zero energy, which then has come from not eating the right food!  So it's just a revolving circle.

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lazy is not good enough... There have to be goodies in the fridge reasdy to eat... I am saying again, its not the food that we crave as much as comfort of knowing that there is food in the first place.. So get rid of all food that is not on your Super Beneficial List, then fill the fridge and cubbords with food you can have.  
Pineapple chunks work well, frozen or cold, juice the same.  
Chocolate is good for you as long as it is dark coccoa meaning 85%..
walnuts have them in a open bowl on the table or if in heat temp, then in the first eyelevel shelve in the fridge..

Butter and eggs, cook some hard boiled, leave in a dish to see first thing.

No Tomatoe.. its not needed.  

You need to learn to indulge in good for you foods.  have them handy and stow all disallowed foods in a box carton on the top of the hallway closet.. then a week later give it away..

Make a shelf in the fridge just for YOU.. Treat your self with respect.  Unconditional Positive Regard, starts in your thoughts...  we all suffer faults, no need to trumpet them other then calling them out to be looked at for changes to be made... Exchange foods, not eliminate foods ... Exchange cravings for rewards.. exchange negativety for positivety.. bring the body and the mind will follow..  

Start small. one item at a time... If coffee is what you need in the AM have it, one cup, then decaf  the rest of the day..  then in a week you can further cut to half a cup of coffee, and more decaf.. later you may switch to green tee.. but giving up coffee and bread is tooo difficult.. one item is a victory, no matter how small...

hang in here and post all the ups and downs.. you will make it if you hang with like minded people who supprt you..  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Maybe it would be useful for you to just concentrate on avoiding wheat and not worrying too much about anything else and just reducing the amount you consume for the next few weeks. it can be a very hard thing to stop as it's very addictive. so don't be too hard on yourself and just begin a new regime in lowering the amount you use.

you will notice that you will begin to feel better, losing weight will happen without trying and you will begin to start getting interested in more things including proper food. you will also get increased levels of energy. be prepared for some tough times over the next few weeks and perhaps look at my favourite supplement which is catechol. Especially great for us o's

getting your children involved in this healthy way of eating will also form a bond that will help all of you.

get hold of some Epsom salts and have the odd bath a few times a week it will relax you as well as give you many other benefits. let your children have Epsom salts baths too. try to soak and do nothing else for at least the first 12- 20 mins.

your an o so breaking a sweat will be important for you, if that just means walking more, start with that. bring your children with you when you walk also. keep safe but find greenery it clears the mind. if you can walk on the beach take your shoes off.

in a few months you won't be so worried about wheat and can get your life back on track and concentrate on other things like the finer detail.

you know you need to make a change and the is the vital step well done


Kind Regards PC. FIfHI Swami III Pro

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Your swami software should still be accessible try logging on if you still have the login details.

https://www.northamericanpharmacal.com/SWAMIXpress/SG_login_screen.pl

if you have a problem email support i have pm'd you with a emailed address for future reference.


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Start small. one item at a time...  


Yes this is the way I need to look at it.  I have overwhelmed myself in the past and gone with the "Oh well I have eaten all this bad food today.  I may as well give up"

I would like to concentrate on two food items first and that is the wheat and dairy.  Whilst this is only two items I know that I will find this extremely difficult.  I get a maxi coffee every day which has a ton of low fat milk in it, and despite having this upset my stomach I go back the very next day for more!  

This is what I mean when I say that this is very much a mental battle for me.  Good side of the brain knows what I should be eating.  Bad side of the brain will sabotage that in lightning speed!

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Your swami software should still be accessible try logging on if you still have the login details.

https://www.northamericanpharmacal.com/SWAMIXpress/SG_login_screen.pl

if you have a problem email support i have pm'd you with a emailed address for future reference.


Thanks for your help and support.  I will hunt around and see if I can find it.
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Aussie, if you know for sure you are a Non-Secretor, I'd advise you to work from the LR4YT book instead of ER4YT.  It is a more recent book, very user friendly and makes it clear how to follow the nonnie food list instead of the secretor.

Did you do all the measurements to find out that you're a gatherer?  If so, and if you feel sure, have you read the Genotype book?  Your challenges sound very classic Gatherer in nature.  I feel sure the other Gatherers can relate to what you are saying.  If you haven't read that book, at least read the chapter describing your genotype so that you understand yourself better.  But you'll need to choose one diet (either gatherer or type O Non-secretor) and stick with it.  That is, if you're not ready to do the SWAMI yet.  (and that's fine)

I find that a high carb breakfast sets the scene for cravings all day.  I'm a believer in a breakfast with plenty of compliant protein and fats and low in carbs.  

Mid-day meal should be hearty with a lot of vegetables in whatever form you like - either salads, sauteed, baked or steamed, whatever.  Again, get a good serving of protein and some good fats - all from your chosen food plan.  Become familiar with Dr. D'Adamo's portion recommendation.  Some people will have a spoonful of nut butter on some crackers and think they are getting a high protein meal.

The evening is a good time to eat fish or vegetable-based proteins or eggs or meat - whatever you like.  It's also a great time to have a big serving of carb-rich vegetables, such as baked sweet potato, roasted root vegetables or sweet squashes, etc.  They are a great comfort food and can satisfy the need for dessert.

GenoType 2 The Gatherer

"Full-figured, even when not overweight, the Gatherer struggles with body image in a culture where thin is "in." An unsuccessful crash dieter with a host of metabolic challenges, the Gatherer becomes a glowing example of health when properly nourished."

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Victoria, I want to thank you for your immense kindness, your wisdom, your fine taste, and your specially sensitive care and attention. You teach me to heal my heart.


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Quoted from Victoria

"Full-figured, even when not overweight, the Gatherer struggles with body image in a culture where thin is "in."


Victoria this is so ME!

When you forwarded this quote it brought back fond memories of when I was in the ARA (Australian Regular Army) which I joined as a 19 year old to get me out of a small country town.  I was so fit and proud to have made it through recruits!  It reminded me of my first posting which was to an Artillery Training Unit where there was only one other female - a sergeant.  I had to and did prove that I was just as fit and mentally as strong as the boys.

"Full-figured, even when not overweight"  Once again this was me!  I still weighed 70kg (I'm 5'9") despite the daily exercising and I realised then that I was never going to be the "skinny" girl".  But the fact that I could keep up with the boys and had become "one of them" made me realise that I had done o.k.

Victoria this quote has empowered me in more ways than you know.  I saw the old me (and it made me have a tear) but I was so proud back then.  I can do that again.  I need to think of the things that I succeeded at doing when a spoilt country girl decides to join the Army!!! I succeeded at doing things I would never have thought I could do in a million years!!! (I could run 5km in just under 20 minutes!!!)

I know its baby steps but today I feel empowered!  I know that you would never have expected that sending me this quote would have hit such a (proud) raw nerve.  Thank You!
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"Oh well I have eaten all this bad food today.  I may as well give up"

I get a maxi coffee every day which has a ton of low fat milk in it, and despite having this upset my stomach I go back the very next day for more!  

This is what I mean when I say that this is very much a mental battle for me.  Good side of the brain knows what I should be eating.  Bad side of the brain will sabotage that in lightning speed!



Angel over one shoulder, devil over the other, eh?

It will come down to believing in yourself. Your will.  Exercise will rebuild it. Good nutrition will maintain it.

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not at all while getting aware about your *persona* you seem to be driven...

read in the booklet written from Don Richard Riso and Ross Hudson: the wisdom of the enneagram* if then are any further questions left... don't hesitate and contact me .... haaa Averno-cherido mio..you pointed it out.... *the devils' advocate*! no 6
in this very yuppy famous booklet! ...all you can immagine.. ...


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Angel over one shoulder, devil over the other, eh?



I never quite thought about it like that  

And it truly occurs with the majority of my food thoughts.  It happened again first thing this morning - only this morning I started with the positive thought - a cup of warm water with lemon juice - then quicker than you can blink the "no have coffee" took over.

I won the initial fight - I had the warm water and lemon juice - but then the continual - "have a coffee" won over.

Not sure if I like the idea of devil being on one shoulder as I can't think of what I would have done to deserve this (unwanted) attention.

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devil and angel= our higher nature and our lower nature  

ah...I know it well...
I've been letting myself have oatmeal everyday lately and I'm loving it! It's satisfying and filling.
Yes, with butter and cinnamon and ...(the dreaded) stevia! no prob.

I think just fill up on protein (oatmeal's not)...and you will be in a position to turn down the bread.
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I won the initial fight - I had the warm water and lemon juice - but then the continual - "have a coffee" won over.

Not sure if I like the idea of devil being on one shoulder as I can't think of what I would have done to deserve this (unwanted) attention.
This is another part of the strategic: Emptying home from avoids. It's not in my dreams and eventually I've done it. Doing this is tackling this devil, or "devil", head on, if you ever watched "the Life Laundry", a program where a team helps families to get rid of ALL the clutter at home. This in itself is a deep mental cleansing process, it necessarily involves agony, at least some agony, and families who have both O's and A's etc. can experience it only to a certain degree. It's the battle of Mind against Matter, in which Mind wins. In this respect my kitchen is my fortress, and I can tackle best what's out of sight and of immediate reach. Inside my kitchen I have to do with what's at hand. Anyway, re avoids which are too difficult to keep avoiding, it is a tremendous support to get them out of sight, as your health is the greatest treasure of the whole family, and considering proportions, greater by far than any avoid one can think of.    

In any case, the point is not what isn't there, but what is. Flood your kitchen and pantry with compliant foods, work with them, let your imagination work its wonders, and rejoice.



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I won the initial fight - I had the warm water and lemon juice - but then the continual - "have a coffee" won over.


Another idea is to use what an old alcoholic did...  He just kept saying that he would have his next drink later.  It didn't matter that his last drink had been 15 years ago, he still had a desire for a drink almost continuously, but just kept pushing it back until "later"...


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You got lots of great advice, but is your family supportive?  Can you afford all the good foods?
We Os are more expensive than the other types with the meats & all. We cannot skimp by on rice & beans or pasta as well as the other types can.
Since you have summer, try to get outside for sunshine (they are finding out vitamin D may help in appetite control) which also will make you feel better. Are you able to get active? Try to keep moving.

Of course, keep us posted. This is such a supportive group!!


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Welcome back!

Remember that every time you have a meal or a snack, it's a chance to make a fresh start. You've had coffee and toast for breakfast, and an hour later you're ready for another slice of bread? You have not ruined the day! You've gotten off to a shaky start, but you can choose to have a handful of nuts or an egg or some veggies or a piece of fruit- or whatever- instead of more bread. A new bite is a chance for a new start. The day is never "ruined."

I would suggest that you tackle the wheat problem now, and put all other changes on the back burner for now. Coffee is not likely to cause you the same kinds of problems as the bread, so don't worry about it for now. Ditto on the milk. And if you eat the wrong kinds of veggies? It's still better than not eating enough veggies!

In another week or two you can get stricter. Right now you just need to focus on cutting down, and then stopping, the wheat intake. And simultaneously think about adding in good foods, such as meats and veggies. Now is not the time to worry about portion sizes or frequencies. You're going to eat a little more until your metabolism gets back in line.

It probably won't be practical to "get all non-compliant foods out of the house" with children in the house. Yes, it's a good idea to clean up their diets too, but it can be mentally draining to help kids change their diets. Give yourself a few weeks of eating better to build up the energy first, while they eat what's familiar to them. Go ahead and make mutually compliant dinners for the whole family, but it's not worth the energy right now to stop the kids from eating what's familiar. Your energy is at a premium right now, and you need to focus that energy on healing yourself first.

I like the idea of filling the house with compliant grain products, such as 100% rye bread or crackers and/or rice cakes. And you can have that cup of hot lemon water before or  after your cup of coffee. It doesn't have to be "one or the other."


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Aussie,
I used to be like you with the bread addiction.  
I have replace it with things like porridge using different grains and adding nuts/seed and a little dried fruit.  Soups with lots of veg, rice cakes with nut butter.  Meals with rice for my carb, lentils/beans or fish, veggies etc.
It is a big adjustment, perhaps try making the change one meal at a time.
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ABJoe,
what a clever idea...I think you are on to something of thinking "I'll have x food/drink later".
It is the idea we shouldn't or can't that often makes us crave the offending item.
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aussie, I have not gotten to page two of this yet but here are my idea's so far (they are things I use)
I grew up on bread and lots of it. as a little kid my parents used to hand me a whole fresh loaf of French bread and call it lunch, yes I ate the whole thing.
I had to first reduce use of bread. I found that a nice spelt wrap was great for my missing sandwich and latter switched intierly to rice wraps. I will still eat a bit of spelt bread now and then but I can go without with no prob now (it took a couple of years)
the coffee I have a wonderful sub for and I was able to drop all but the occasional coffee right away.
start with a cup of yerba matte and add 1/2 spoon of suger (I use turbanado) 1/8 carob powder two heaping spoons of coaco (raw is best) and as much real cream as the cup can handle (probably a good three spoons) it has a slightly bitter nutty flavor with just enouph caffen that filled that coffee fix for me perfectly.
the carb fix I oddly curbed with a spoonful of chia seeds, olive oil, and a pinch of pink salt. just one and I was as happy as if I had snacked on a slice of bread. worth a try   I did not need it for long maybe a couple of months to get that carb addiction worked out.


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oh and the head devil I used a trick that I use for all avoids. I tell myself poisen. simply that, and no one wants to eat/drink poisen. I go through the store (and people think i'm nuts) looking at lables and foods most people fill up on and say things out loud to myself like "why do they sell us poisen to eat? why do people eat this poisen? how dare they sell me poisen instead of food!" and so on. any food or drink I know I should not have I lable in my head as poisen and oddly it keeps most of that garbage out of my basket.
I also I have done realy well with the idea of fake food vs. real food. for instance I saw a mention of low fat milk earlier. real food dose not come low fat or fat free. real food will always have fats in it, in order for it to be low or no fat they have to process it which will always take out the things you need with the fat they wanted to take out. better off just looking for natural and organic. localy raised is even better. also stay away from anything synthetic. the word itself means fake and fake is not food!


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this thread is full of wise advise: this is the one i am taking  to heart starting now!
FILL THE FRIDGE WITH PROTEIN, VEGGIES, FRUIT,  and all good things on your list. Have them eveready, handy, easy to access in a moment of need. Thank you!
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It [devil vs. angel] happened again first thing this morning - only this morning I started with the positive thought - a cup of warm water with lemon juice - then quicker than you can blink the "no have coffee" took over.

I won the initial fight - I had the warm water and lemon juice - but then the continual - "have a coffee" won over.

Not sure if I like the idea of devil being on one shoulder as I can't think of what I would have done to deserve this (unwanted) attention.
I've not given up coffee for the six years that I considered myself to be on BTD.  Personally I feel it is more beneficial to me than Dr D gives it credit for.  Anyway, I agree with Ruthie -- focus on eliminating wheat.

If you can't give up coffee completely, at least try to avoid having coffee on an empty stomach -- take it right after a meal if you feel you still need it.



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I have about 2-3 oz. coffee with organic cream! A treat. Then I go to teeccino! yum.
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my actual fave (when I can get it) is a green tea frappachino but I can only get them in the big city (45 min away) so I don't get it often.


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This is another part of the strategic: Emptying home from avoids.


Mind against Matter, in which Mind wins. In this respect my kitchen is my fortress, and I can tackle best what's out of sight and of immediate reach. Inside my kitchen I have to do with what's at hand.


This makes a lot of sense to me and is a great goal to have but as with all mothers the kids come first (biscuits, ice blocks in the summer etc etc) then hubby (my third child) and he also likes the coffee, chocolate (which I don't like) and white wine (of which I have too much!) And I will be honest to say hubby has supported me in the past but is too quick to jump on me the minute I eat something wrong which I call "being sabotaged" as then I call it a day and feel a failure.    
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I've not given up coffee for the six years that I considered myself to be on BTD.  


This is where the "devil" steps in.  The amount of milk I have in the "maxi coffee" causes an upset stomach. The amount of coffee that I have taken in on a number of occasions has also caused heart palpitations.  Another side effect is I get the sweats. I don't sleep well, so I have coffee to help me get through the day, yet the amount of coffee I drink is possibly part of the reason why I don't sleep well. I'm aware of these things but find it difficult to do anything about it! It's not normal!!!!

I know that I put everyone else first which I truly believe is why I have these ridiculous addictions.  At age 42 I will be married for 20 years in June.  We have never had either family close by to help/support us at all.  My husbands family is and always has been in England and my parents are 700km away in another state and this is the way it has always been.  I'm thinking that finally after 20 years I'm needing someone to look after me (or maybe I just need a break)  I just feel so tired all the time .  Sorry being a sook so will leave it here.  All good though.  
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you have to break the addiction with coffee. I found that if i don't have any i don't even think about it but a took a little while to do that. I have been off coffee for about 5 years and maybe am forced to have one once every couple of years, it now does nothing for me thank God.

however stopping coffee is not an option you can take or leave and Dr D is exactly right about it.

it is the cause of many problems, insulin resistance and addiction being two problems. to say nothing for bad breath, teeth staining. cravings for carbs.


It will be wise to aim to stop it not give in to it and think it is not important,

get yourself some good green tea, drink lemon and water in the morning, walk or run if think about coffee and DO think of it as a poison as that's exactly what it is.

the reason it seems to perk you up is that your whole body works at getting out of your system as quickly as possible so you get what you think is a rush. it's actually you body trying to warn you and say WTF are you trying to do poison yourself lol



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I know that I put everyone else first which I truly believe is why I have these ridiculous addictions.  

aussie, all that you have shared about yourself sounds so much  like me in my forties   Definitely I "fed" my emotions with food, and bread being sooo addictive for us O´s was my main ´crutch´...I gave up coffee and tea(´cold-turkey!¨) about 15yrs ago as the stresses in my life ( & marriage) caused me to have non-stop palpitations which were extremely worrying... I also had piled on weight over the years, felt sluggish, lacking in motivation, irritable with everyone...I could go on...thankfully tho´everything is different now...56pounds lighter & tons more energy than I ever had!

So, along with all the other wonderful advice here..you need to be kind and gentle with yourself. You are clearly a wonderful mother,putting everyone else´s needs first...but if your needs are not met then emotionally you are ´running on empty´...and you crave coffee and wheat in order to try to fill that void...

Exercise/movement of any kind will help with stress, as well as increase your feel-good endorphins!The more you move, the better you will feel,even emotionally.
It also sounds like you are not getting the support you need in your relationship...perhaps counselling would help you find the inner-resources you need to take care of yourself first..you say you want to be looked-after so maybe become just a little more "selfish"...that does not mean neglecting everyone else´s needs,but once in a while do something ´just for you´. I divorce my husband after 20 years,when I realised that I hadn´t ever considered me in the entire equation...trouble is,no-one else did either..Thankfully,life is vastly different now...and nourishing myself with super/diamond foods really is a gift to myself  

No doubt you will find immense support here...the journey isn´t always so easy, but so worth it..
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Aussie  you sound so very much like me last year and early this summer.  At forty two could you be in premenopause? The Fembalance (Nap on this site )will help with the night sweats. I now just use black cohosh. Also look up a homeopathic remedie "Sepic" This will help when your feeling that overwhelmed stress. All O's need exercise try walks outside I think we need that sun.


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I didn't even attempt to cut out coffee until I'd been on the diet for 2 or 3 weeks, and was 100% compliant with everything else. I just didn't want to deal with "caffeine detox" at the same time as "learning a new way to shop and cook" and "detoxing from the avoids I used to eat regularly." In my case, I was ready after 2 weeks because I'd been on a Paleo diet before, so I didn't have to make drastic changes to my diet. I was also very motivated to change because my health was so poor. If it takes you a month or two to get to that point, that's OK.

It's very, very, hard to put myself first when I have kids in the house who always need me. My kids are big enough that I get some down time, but I'm always "on call." How old are your kids, and what's their current schedule like? Is school in session or is it summer vacation already? Will they be in camp or home all summer? (Gosh it's weird to type that when it's snowing outside here in NY!) I'm not overly familiar with the Australia school schedule.


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it also sounds like it is time to communicate your feelings the your dh. he probably dose not realalize how he is making you feel and he never will if you don't tell him. in some odd way he may even think he is helping you when he is doing just the opposite. also you might want to reconcider some of those "treats" for the kids. if they are not good for you they are most likely not helping the kids eather.
just remember, who buys the groceries? if it is you then you have the power to change not only what you are eating but what they are eating as well. if their blood types are different look for cross over foods. my hubby is an a/b. as such he is to avoid chicken even though I can have it I simply do not buy it and use turkey any place I would have used chicken. when my best friend (who is an a) comes over I make a nice big salad with greens we can both have and a fish we both can have or a bit of pan seared turkey. the idea being that we injoy each others company and all stay healthy as well.
hubby loves his coffee but he has trouble with the acid so I get him a low acid coffee (Sumatra is typicaly good) and I have my yerba matte coaco so that I don't even want his coffee. your hubby loves his wine, see if you can find something else that looks simaler to have instead so you can still feel like you have your "treat" but not pay for it too. if our baby ends up being a b I will adjust the groceries again for anything they should not have and look for any I have not tried before that we can all have to fill the nutritional gap. it sounds hard but having all the blood types in the books makes this a lot easier than it sounds.


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Maybe I need a trip to the psych ward instead!!!


Hi Aussie! Spend your money on food instead  
What you CAN do is affirmations...that WILL work!
Louise Hay has written easy to follow books. Basically you make up two or three sentences that you repeat to yourself over and over. It is important to word them in the present tense. If you can look yourself in the eyes in a mirror while you say them it works even quicker  

Example straight out of the book   "I love and approve of myself. I am doing the best I can." And for you add "I love to eat beneficial food. I am healthy and full of energy"
You need to say this like 200-300 times a day (whenever you think of it- it will get easier to remember )- you WILL see change within a week- I promise!

A personal tip...if you can stop yourself for a second before you reach for the bread, ask yourself the question: "If I wasn't eating bread, what else might I like to eat?" Often you will come up with a wheat free alternative. This is my version of "I'll have that drink later"  
If only bread will do...have it. Don't beat yourself up- you WILL wean yourself, we all did!
Took me a year and that was 14 years ago!
Once you find alternatives that work for you it's as quick and easy to fix a wheatfree meal as it is for you now- you are no more lazy than a lot of us here, hence all the advice to have meals ready to go in the fridge at eye level  
Stay positive and take each meal as a fresh start- give yourself a gold star (literally) for every compliant meal  

Best Wishes!!
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this thread is full of wise advise: this is the one i am taking  to heart starting now!
FILL THE FRIDGE WITH PROTEIN, VEGGIES, FRUIT,  and all good things on your list. Have them eveready, handy, easy to access in a moment of need. Thank you!


YES MAM!  

I cooked a Roast Beef last night and purposely purchased it larger than I normally would and have thoroughly enjoyed eating it for breakfast and lunch today. Yum.

We all had a nice salad with roast chicken tonight but yes I do need to go out and restock tomorrow and also get into the habit of chopping up carrots and capsicums so they are just there if I crave food of some kind.
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Also a big thank you to everyone who has posted.  Every single one of you has had very sound advice which I have taken on board.  

It's also a reassuring feeling that despite the fact that a lot of you have probably heard very similar stories to mine in the past you still take the time to help out.  Thanks again!
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