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HolisticFox
Tuesday, October 22, 2013, 11:54pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I do realize that "one size fits all" is NOT the point of BTD/GTD.  That being said, I shall begin:

I have a friend who recently went gluten-free.  She noticed that as she ate less and less gluten, she craved red meat more and more.  She's a former vegetarian, so eating a lot of meat didn't sit well with her, even though her health was improving.  She has a family history of arthritis, and her joints are always sore and stiff.  When I see my friends in pain, I want to help...  So I wondered if maybe she felt so much better at first because she gave up gluten in favor of meat, but it didn't stick because now she's eating gluten-free cheese pizzas because she doesn't want to murder cows.

This is a sentiment that I totally understand coming from a raw/vegan background.  Coming from a Pagan/Heathen background, I also understand that lots of early peoples had a spiritual connection with the animals that they ate, believed that they were taking in their life force energy and made ceremonies out of it.  It was an important part of the culture.

So I asked her what her blood type is.  She doesn't know.  So I say, "okay, that's fine, you can just call the hospital where you were born and they can tell you."

No can do, she has phone anxiety.

That's fine, I'll call for her.  But she says she doesn't know what hospital she was born in, just the town...  So I start looking up the town, and she starts getting all antsy and edgy.  I call the hospital and tell them that I'm an herbalist in Vermont and that I would like to save one of my patients the trouble of having blood work done, can I get her blood type from their records?  Well of course the records department has gone home, but she's sitting in front of me red in the face with embarrassment.  I was explaining how lectins work to glue the cells together if they're considered non-compliant with one's blood type and she finally just told me to shut up.  "I already gave up gluten, I'm not giving up anything else."

It boggles my mind that some people are so resistant towards something that honestly might improve their lives.  It's so hard for me not to share something that makes me happy with people it might help.  I guess I better stop casting my pearls before swine.


Thanks for "listening."


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Wednesday, October 23, 2013, 12:30am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I don't think most hospitals/doctors care to let people know what their blood type is. Usually they want to charge something around 70$ just to test for blood type. You can buy one from NAP for around 10$
I've bought 9 of them in the last couple of years. I've gotten all of them in about a week. (and I'm way down here in Texas)
If you do the home typing kit, be sure to watch one of the vids.
I wish I could be of more help, but your friend really needs to know his/her blood type to even start to narrow down which foods are causing problems.
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Wednesday, October 23, 2013, 12:52am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=YTE001
You can also get their address and just mail a money order.
Be patient with your friend, things just take time.
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There have been many threads just like this over the years here...  and most of us have gone through this experience many times with family or friends.  

The most you can do is introduce it and remain their friend, but don't continuously talk about it.  When they bring it up, just ask if they are ready to do something about it besides complain...


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Yes, this happens.  Giving up gluten was a big step for her.  It's understandable that she won't want to limit herself anymore.  And that's how she views BTD now -- more limitations.

But by fully adopting the BTD, she might find that she can have some of the gluten grains such as rye, barley, oats and spelt.  No guarantees, though.

The gluten-beef connection is very real.  The amino acid taurine is common to both, and her body knows it needs to get it from meat if not from wheat (or gluten).  So her body is actually smarter than she is.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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HolisticFox
Wednesday, October 23, 2013, 1:47am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Quoted from ABJoe
There have been many threads just like this over the years here...  and most of us have gone through this experience many times with family or friends.  

The most you can do is introduce it and remain their friend, but don't continuously talk about it.  When they bring it up, just ask if they are ready to do something about it besides complain...


"Besides complain."  Yep.  She's a complainer for sure.  I'll absolutely use that.  There are other things we can talk about besides how physically lame she feels because she doesn't want to change.  Thanks!


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HolisticFox
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Yes, this happens.  Giving up gluten was a big step for her.  It's understandable that she won't want to limit herself anymore.  And that's how she views BTD now -- more limitations.

But by fully adopting the BTD, she might find that she can have some of the gluten grains such as rye, barley, oats and spelt.  No guarantees, though.

The gluten-beef connection is very real.  The amino acid taurine is common to both, and her body knows it needs to get it from meat if not from wheat (or gluten).  So her body is actually smarter than she is.


Isn't is funny how our bodies know better than we do?  I got pregnant when I was raw, and it turned out that the only thing I could keep down was meat.  I had a miscarriage, which was totally lousy, but I wasn't ready to be a mother anyway, so it was fine...  But now I chuckle and say "I should have known when my body told me what to do then..."


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Quoted from wayland B+
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=YTE001
You can also get their address and just mail a money order.
Be patient with your friend, things just take time.


There's always a delicate balance of how much you can be around people who willfully remain sick. I think a lot of these vegans have a macho side to them that they hide as well. If they're not able to be like "iron vegan" - then that means they've failed. They've failed the Earth!!! (not that they've failed themselves by not learning from the experience)....and when you fail Mother Earth, you sin..... absolutely crazy , but that's what years of mismanaged eating does to the brain.

Like Lola says, bacterial overgrowth does not give up the body without a fight!


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My massage therapist has a very long list of extremely serious health problems including cancer and autoimmune diseases.  We have talked about the BTD and I asked her if she would please try it for just 4 weeks.  I explained that she could radically change her health status in just that short time and she wasn't making a commitment - just an experiment.  She seemed very interested so I sent her tons of detailed information and aides to get her started.  Even sent recipes.  

Also, almost all the lotions she uses contain tons of parabens and other cancer causing ingredients.  I only allow her to use pure organic jojoba oil on me.  

She is blood type B.  She has decided she will NOT give up chicken, pinto beans, etc. etc. etc.  She is now facing the possibly heart failure and death.  She is only in her 50's.

I did what I could. I will be so very sad to lose this lovely person who also happens to be the best massage therapist in this entire area.  But there is little hope for her when she will not change her eating habits.  


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Dec 2013: Started Swami Xpress - I'm 48% Explorer with hybridized Explorer/BTD list. A new adventure for this old lady!  -- LOST 5 more pounds on SWAMI! 
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Quoted from ginnyTN
My massage therapist has a very long list of extremely serious health problems including cancer and autoimmune diseases.  We have talked about the BTD and I asked her if she would please try it for just 4 weeks.  I explained that she could radically change her health status in just that short time and she wasn't making a commitment - just an experiment.  She seemed very interested so I sent her tons of detailed information and aides to get her started.  Even sent recipes.  

Also, almost all the lotions she uses contain tons of parabens and other cancer causing ingredients.  I only allow her to use pure organic jojoba oil on me.  

She is blood type B.  She has decided she will NOT give up chicken, pinto beans, etc. etc. etc.  She is now facing the possibly heart failure and death.  She is only in her 50's.

I did what I could. I will be so very sad to lose this lovely person who also happens to be the best massage therapist in this entire area.  But there is little hope for her when she will not change her eating habits.  


That's really sad, too.  I'm sorry.


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Quoted from wayland B+
I don't think most hospitals/doctors care to let people know what their blood type is. Usually they want to charge something around 70$ just to test for blood type. You can buy one from NAP for around 10$
I've bought 9 of them in the last couple of years. I've gotten all of them in about a week. (and I'm way down here in Texas)
If you do the home typing kit, be sure to watch one of the vids.
I wish I could be of more help, but your friend really needs to know his/her blood type to even start to narrow down which foods are causing problems.


Maybe I got lucky.  The hospital where I was born told me mine, but only after I called them 4 times over 36 hours.  I had it confirmed again when I was pregnant (miscarried), and the tech said, "you have to have the vaccine because your blood type is negative."  

I said, "I know, it's O-negative, and she seemed shocked.  "How did you know that?!?!"

I guess Docs really don't like to let people have control over their own health, do they?


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Most people I tell about the BTD don't try it. Maybe they have tried so many things that didn't work, that they figure this won't work either.
Many of the folks on this forum probably tried it as a last resort or after many other things.

I don't think that hospitals automatically test for the BT of newborns, altho it is a good idea.  Even if they don't believe in BTD, it is nice to know one's type in case they are in an accident!

They did the types of my kids.  I don't know why the dr. didn't ask the BT of my husband (& then test for it as we didn't know) cuz my kids were jaundiced. Well, often that is cuz the type is different than the mom. With an AB spouse, of course my kids will have a different type than me. I never heard of newborn jaundice altho it is very common, so having my kid put in something that looked like an incubator was traumatic.  I don't know why the medical profession didn't think it was important to tell parents-to-be about jaundice. It is really not too serious most of the time, & I would have had more peace of mind.

Yes, we often feel like ranting when the answer is right there & others refuse to believe!


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None of my kids were typed at birth. I think that most hospitals have stopped doing that, as they figure they'd need to re-test anyway if somebody needed a transfusion, so doing it at birth is just " a wasted test and a wasted medical expense." OK, so they were born at home, and 2 didn't go anywhere near a hospital around the time they were born, but the 3rd got the whole "neonatal hospital experience" and they didn't test his blood type either. That was in 2001 in NY.

There are also patient privacy laws, and the hospital probably shouldn't be giving out this information to anybody but the patient herself (or the patient's parent, if it's been less than 18 years since the birth.)

Back to the original topic: You can't MAKE anybody follow BTD unless you're preparing all of their food. All you can do is educate and encourage, and then support if they choose to do it. And the woman with the phone anxiety was probably experiencing anxiety just from being in the room with you while you made calls on her behalf. I'm sure that was WAY out of her comfort zone and that's probably why she reacted the way she did.


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I don't know my husbands blood type, or my kids. Seems they never tell you. I only know my own cos they typed me when I was pregnant. If you go to donate blood they will type you there and give you a card with your type on it.
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HF, your friend may feel overwhelmed by your enthusiasm, and questions her own investment. Give her some space to draw her own conclusions and maybe she'll find a little more courage to make the adjustment towards a more progressive health approach.
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Quoted from Averno

HF, your friend may feel overwhelmed by your enthusiasm, and questions her own investment. Give her some space to draw her own conclusions and maybe she'll find a little more courage to make the adjustment towards a more progressive health approach.


Oh I'll be giving her plenty of space, that's for sure...  


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Finally a non offencive correction.. well done.. I can see what you did and I understand.. well done!

Thanks for understanding.


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I look my patients up when I do the intake in my unit and write down for them if they want.


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Andrea- do most people have that information in the medical files?


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