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HolisticFox
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Hello, everyone.  I'm new to the forum, and I'm hoping to find my niche here.

I'm a certified herbalist and raw food chef, and recently I decided to turn back to the blood type diet after years as a raw foodie because I wasn't feeling well, and I'm not losing any weight.  

I've been eating meat again for just over a week and I feel so much better.  I think the transition may be making me a little gassy, but other than that, I feel strong again, more focused, and I have almost no more food cravings.  I don’t even want chocolate.  I even feel like running…  And I sure didn’t before!  I’m trying to keep my fruits and veggies raw, and my meat as rare as possible.  I still really believe in the raw food diet, but I know that something isn’t clicking right with it inside my body.

Besides posting to say hello, I did want to ask, how long will it be before I should expect to lose any weight?  I’m glad to be feeling so good and being active again, but my pants are getting tighter, not looser.  To be honest, I’m starting to feel a little depressed about it.  I’m hardly in a position financially or emotionally to be shopping for bigger clothes.  I am taking the bladderwrack supplement, and I can tell it’s helping with my feeling fuller, but not with the weight loss.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks!


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Welcome! I hope you get to feeling thinner soon. I have no experience with O type weight loss.


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Welcome!

Weight loss can be highly individual. If you're gaining weight at first, it could be from a few things.

1) You could be temporarily bloated from the dietary change.

2) If you're female and of childbearing age, could it be PMS bloating?

As long as you're not over-doing the portions, you should maintain or lose weight. You may well maintain for a while, if you have a lot of other healing to do before your body is ready to lose weight.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  13yo B+ Jack


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Welcome!

Weight loss can be highly individual. If you're gaining weight at first, it could be from a few things.

1) You could be temporarily bloated from the dietary change.

2) If you're female and of childbearing age, could it be PMS bloating?

As long as you're not over-doing the portions, you should maintain or lose weight. You may well maintain for a while, if you have a lot of other healing to do before your body is ready to lose weight.


It could be PMS for sure.  My body is really messed up since I had a miscarriage last summer.  The doctor talked me into an IUD afterwards, because I am not planning to have children, and that made things worse.  I'm kind of at a loss with what to do.  I just don't want to be heavy anymore.  It doesn't look or feel very good at all.


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Be patient with yourself. Give your body time to heal. It's not too surprising that your hormones might get a little more "out of whack" before they settle down again.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  13yo B+ Jack


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Be patient with yourself. Give your body time to heal. It's not too surprising that your hormones might get a little more "out of whack" before they settle down again.


Thanks.  I have a tendency to just push myself and then get angry with myself if it doesn't happen right away.  I don't know how long the re-settling of my hormones should take, but probably more than 2 months...


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Rawtype,
It seems to me that raw foodies eat a lot of good fats (Good!!) but altogether too much sugar...in fruit.
If you follow the BTD but keep some things raw you will come into more alignment. By the way, those veggies that are goitrogenic (brassicas, etc.) might be causing trouble...esp. raw! They can interfere with thyroid function....which can cause weight to stay on or gain. Keep us posted!
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Welcome!

I wonder if a probiotic might help alleviate the bloating?

Please also give yourself ample time.  If you've been a raw vegan for several years, don't beat yourself up for not getting complete results in a tiny fraction of that time!

It might take time for your stomach to increase the amount acid it produces, and your other organs time to break down and use the fats.  Right now, some food combining might help to prevent the fruit and meat from combining and resulting in fermentation!


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Hi there, I was vegan for a period before doing blood type.

Lots of things change quite quickly by that I mean in about 3 weeks, but even years later things subtly get better.

As far a weight is concerned I would just concentrate on being compliant for the first month, or even three months. If you are not eating sweets or chocolate you will lose weight, if not at that stage you may need to look at the quantity of perhaps fruit or starchy vegetable that you eat.

welcome aboard.


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Welcome, Raw O!  Wishing you the best.

I have a daughter-in-law just like you (except she isn't to the point of quitting her vegan ways yet.).  Oh how I wish there could be some way for her to read what you have written!

You are on the right path.  Do not give up!


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I use a nuwave oven to cook meat with less fat. The meat is very yummy and tender, and it cooks fairly easily and fast. I dont know if the fat in the meat could make a difference with weight for O type, but it makes sense for heart health.

For me, I am losing about a lb a week. I am tracking my food and have limits, so I dont go over. I still have at least 40 to go. This week might work out to be a week that I dont lose a lb, but some weeks I lost 2 so in the end it works out to almost a lb a week.


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You will lose weight, just give your body a little time to adjust.  You're eating meat again and there could be a couple of things going on that may cause you to gain temporarily. One, is the meat itself will make your blood more acidic which can cause you to retain water in order to neutralize it.  Another is salt, if you're salting your meat that extra salt can cause you to retain water.  I know I tend to gain water weight easily, but I lose it easily by running. You say you feel like running, do it!  Vigorous exercise is great for Os and will help youy lose weight.  Also know that not all veggies are good (eg potatos, brussel sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower, etc.) and you need to avoid these.  Wheat and grains must be avoided if you seek to lose weight.  

A number of years ago I went vegan, felt terrible, ate meat again, felt great. I hope this helps you.


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RawTypeO, another strange thing may be at work, too.  It's based on the fact that intestines have muscles that can change their shape, which, in turn, changes how much sustenance they absorb.  I read about this in the book "Zoobiquity," and you can read this amazing quote here: http://square--peg.blogspot.com/2012/07/amazing-quotes-from-zoobiquity.html

My theory (in your specific case) is that, being vegan, you were missing out on certain nutrients, so your intestines had stretched to their max in order to attempt to correct this imbalance.  Now that your diet is more balanced and nutrient-dense, it's taking in more than usual, which results in the immediate weight gain.  However, eventually your body will reach equilibrium and the weight should drop and stabilize.

HTH


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Oh, and that brings up the issue of medications.  As the quote suggests, some medications will definitely cause weight gain.  But folks on the BTD find that they can cut back on the dose of certain meds, and even eliminate some completely, while following the diet.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I just want to point out that, while many people are, indeed, able to cut back on medications after following BTD, that needs to be done cautiously. Some meds are used to suppress symptoms, and you can safely stop them as soon as the symptoms disappear- sometimes only a day or two into BTD. Other medications are there to compensate for body damage, and it can  take a few months of healing before you're able to cut back on the meds. Sometimes you need to slowly cut the dosage rather than just stopping. Sometimes you can safely stop the meds on your own, and other times it needs to be done with doctor's supervision- it depends on the medication and what it's treating.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  13yo B+ Jack


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Absolutely, Ruthie!  Thank you for this important reminder!


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Thanks everybody.  I guess patience is a bigger issue for me than I thought.  I'll have to work on it.  I appreciate all your input.  It's a lot to think about.  There are a few habits I'm going to have to break now that I'm off the vegan lifestyle.  Thanks again!


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check out deflect to help cleanse and balance your body

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So now that I know better than to follow a burger with figs, I'm feeling much better!  I've been practicing putting a minimum of 20 minutes between switching from fruit to meat or back, and that seems to be working really well...  Plus that 20 minutes gives my body time to register whether it's still hungry or not.  Thanks for all the help, everyone!


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great move!


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What somatype are you?

You'll probably gain muscle at first, don't be scared of it.

Probiotics would briefly add some more gas. The gas is from the changes in gut flora life. Bad die, makes gas.

Once some healing occurs weight loss from intense exercise will be no problem (given that you have fat to lose, doesn't work otherwise).

Do you do crunchies/situps? A lot of people do them wrong and the muscle, not fat, sticks out.
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great move!


Thanks!  This definitely takes some adjusting, but I learn fast.  


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Quoted from DoS
What somatype are you?

You'll probably gain muscle at first, don't be scared of it.

Probiotics would briefly add some more gas. The gas is from the changes in gut flora life. Bad die, makes gas.

Once some healing occurs weight loss from intense exercise will be no problem (given that you have fat to lose, doesn't work otherwise).

Do you do crunchies/situps? A lot of people do them wrong and the muscle, not fat, sticks out.


I haven't been researching long enough to know what a somatype is.  Explain?

I've got the O-type vitamins on order, as well as the O-type tea, and I'll be getting the probiotics soon too.

I'm not doing crunches yet, but I'm planning to add them into my routine.  I'm not a big fan of them, but the better I feel, the more I can move, so I keep doing more.  I finally opted to take a pair of dumbells to work because just sitting at my desk all day is driving me crazy!


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recently I decided to turn back to the blood type diet after years as a raw foodie because I wasn't feeling well, and I'm not losing any weight.  


This may not apply to you, but sometimes people start eating meat after being vegan for a long time, but still continue to eat large amounts of the foods that they were previously eating for protein/starch/fats.  This could include non-meat type burgers, casseroles, nut-based dishes, etc.  Or, they might continue eating excessively large quantities of fruit.  These things can cause weight gain.

The type O diet really shines with abundant vegetables, high-quality lean, grass-fed red meats, fatty fish, a little fruit and minimal grains.  Nuts as allowed on your own food list, but not excessive.




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Quoted from Victoria


This may not apply to you, but sometimes people start eating meat after being vegan for a long time, but still continue to eat large amounts of the foods that they were previously eating for protein/starch/fats.  This could include non-meat type burgers, casseroles, nut-based dishes, etc.  Or, they might continue eating excessively large quantities of fruit.  These things can cause weight gain.

The type O diet really shines with abundant vegetables, high-quality lean, grass-fed red meats, fatty fish, a little fruit and minimal grains.  Nuts as allowed on your own food list, but not excessive.



Meat is almost the only thing I want to eat any more, and I find that I only even need to eat a reasonable portion before I'm full and disinterested in food at all, even things that used to tempt me like chocolates and bread.  I used to just eat fruit, fruit, fruit all day long and I never, ever felt full.  I like this much better.


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