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Brimstone
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In the last few weeks I have been experiencing hot flushes especially at night which I assume is the start of menopausal symptoms, this is starting to become really disruptive and therefore have not been sleeping very well at all.
I have just turned 43 and am assuming these are menopausal symptoms...my mum started the change at age 38.
Does anyone have an good tips re diet or supplements that could help? I am an O-
Many thanks.
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FemBalance  helped me. Right now I'm just taking Black Cohosh as a tincture. Don't over dress, stick to cotton's.  I never wear socks to bed. It really helps for me to be able to stick a foot out from under the covers, funny how this will cool you down. I also found that a fan even in the winter was helpful. In the winter I' d just step outside on the deck.


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I have a sister that says the yam cream has helped.  Here is a thread on it might find something useful.

Worth a try

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/menopause/msg0912380314861.html


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DIM aids estrogen metabolism and has worked wonders for me, first with menstrual difficulties, then with heat flushes. It is a phytonutrient abundant in cruciferous veggies. You can Google it for tons of info  

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/natures-way-dim-plus-diindolylmethane-120-caps


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can be also related to so called *adrenal fatigue* symptoms are very similar here for all btypes ... would implement royal jelly and cordyceps.... the rest is to be found in the BTD encyclopedia for female balancing or menopausal support ...

all the best from Switzerland


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Thank you Ladies for your brilliant advice.
I had suspected as much from my initial google searches although not quite trusting enough...
but by reading your posts I am confident that I am in good/safe  hands and now more sure of my next steps.
Hey, and if anyone could recommend the best Yam cream...
Thank you x
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regular routine every day, is waking up, meals and bedtime (preferrably before 10pm) regulates hormones and digestion.  symptoms can also be due to sluggish activity in digestive system, ie liver, intestines.
Make up some warm herbal tea (wise water) every morning (keep in thermus flask) and sip on this throughout day.  Make up smart spice mix and add it to your vegetables/grains, or sautee it in ghee, spices help to digest food and with elimination of wastes. to keep energy flowing so that heat doesn't rise and give you the symptoms.
eat stir fried vegetables (some greens especially, garlic, tumeric) at lunch time, this helps support liver.
Include some celery, cucumber in a raw juice which supports kidneys.
raw apple in your juice helps intestinal health.
beet and carrot in a raw fresh juice supports your liver.
manage stress with exercise or yoga/meditation.
think positive and walk tall and proud every day!
hope you feel better soon.
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I started getting hot flashes around age 44.  I used progesterone cream which took care of my symptoms.    I was lucky and my menopause was short lived.   I should add that progesterone cream helped my sister for a bit, but unfortunately not for long. Unfortunately her progesterone levels are very low.  She's been battling hot flashes for 4 years now.    A great menopause book is "What Doctor May Not Tell you about Menopause" by Doctor John Lee.
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Thanks Tina, have just started reading the "what doc may not tell you about pre-menopause" and am learning so much that I feel I should already know! Am amazed at what natural progesterone can do to help the body. I was intrigued to read that it can also (apparently) help to unblock fallopian tubes by re-establishing balance...wish I had known about this years ago...have been battling infertility for many years only to now discover that this could have been my key...
This should be essential reading for all women...unfortunately too late for me in that department, although am so grateful that it appears to be helping me now...have only been using the natural progesterone for a few days now and am already feeling as if I'm reclaiming my body...
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That's wonderful!   I hope it continues to help you.   I loved the book and Dr. Lee's approach to helping women.  Unfortunately I loaned my book to someone but I don't remember who.  
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Hi Brimstone, i´m just wondering which natural progesterone cream you are using? For a few months I used Natpro, which a fellow nutritionist said was the most natural organic one in the U.K. area...I think it might have been from Scotland.

Fortunately, I don´t need it at the moment..( I didn´t have hot flushes but had severe ´flooding´  which seemed to disappear having used the cream!).

Hope you continue to feel better and better...
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I got the most benefits from Dr. D's Fem Balance and freshly ground flax seeds (I prefer the blonde seeds).  Without either of these, hot flushes would annoy terribly!  



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btw, not to hijack this thread or anything but does anyone think it is weird that I have not gone through menopause yet and I'm about to turn 52 any second?  All my friends say, be glad, as it is better to have your hormones at a pre-menopausal level, so I'm cool with it, but I mean:  am I still gonna be fertile when I'm 90 or WHAT?  AARP sent me a membership solicitation yesterday, for God's sake (tore that sucker right in half and put it into the recycle bin immediately--DENIAL!).


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PT, I didn't stop my cycles until 58 so it's not all that weird....Not so bad getting the AARP card - lots of discounts.
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PT, I didn't stop my cycles until 58 so it's not all that weird....Not so bad getting the AARP card - lots of discounts.

  I threw mine right into the recycle bin.  I'm not ready!

Thanks for the 411 on when you "paused"...hey, why don't they call it "menostop", not "menopause"?  Misleading!  It's not like it is some sort of intermission.

58, eh?  Okay, then.  


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PT, I´m almost 53 and no sign of my menstrual cycle ceasing    I seem to be peri-menopausal for about 5 yrs now ..irregular periods and some flooding..nothing else though. My doc said that it may go on like this for several more years so I suppose like Jane said ,it mustn´t be all that weird even though the "average age of menopause" is 51...
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My mom was 54 or 55.  Some women stop in their early 40's, or even younger. Every statistic is going to have some "outliers."

I also wonder if these statistics include women who went through menopause artificially (hysterectomy, ovary-destroying cancer treatments, etc.) Those would certainly bring the "average" age down.


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PT, I´m almost 53 and no sign of my menstrual cycle ceasing    I seem to be peri-menopausal for about 5 yrs now ..irregular periods and some flooding..nothing else though. My doc said that it may go on like this for several more years so I suppose like Jane said ,it mustn´t be all that weird even though the "average age of menopause" is 51...

omg, "flooding", can we tawk?     YESSSSSSSSSSSSS:  I get that, for the past however-many years, and it is quite the unwelcome thing in many sitches (like at work!).  I did finally (recently) figure out that it makes a huge diff which brand of tampon you use (menfolk, you may wish to look away right about now   ).  I was using a store brand for several years, as they stopped selling the brand I LOVE (o.b.).  All of a sudden, they sell the brand I like again, and they are SO MUCH BETTER as far as protecting during the aforementioned flooding.  Thank you for mentioning that you have that as a symptom, because I've never really talked about it with/to anyone but a few friends, in hushed tones, and that is how I refer to it, but I didn't know, one, that that is actually what it is called *lol*, and, two, that it is something that women experience when perimenopausal.  I just thought it was something weird happening to me, specifically, as I age and my periods change.  I did think it was/is one of a constellation of symptoms that seem to indicate, to my untrained self, anyway, that I am perimenopausal, but when I asked my EX-primary care doc about it in either 2009 or 10, the last time I had a check-up, she ran blood work and flatly told me that I'm not perimenopausal, or wasn't at that time, anyway.  I even asked, are you sure?  What about all these weird changes/symptoms I'm going through?  Yep, she said she was sure, no perimenopause indicated in my blood work.  Then again, p.s., I have since concluded that this particular primary care doc didn't know what she was talking about on several fronts.  Example:  she gave me my first-ever EKG (which I do appreciate, how thorough she was), and when the reading came back CRAZY (and what it really was/is, is that I have an electrical conduction prob in my heart, called left-bundle branch block, or LBBB for short, but she never said that), she scared me to DEATH--I literally left my physical that day thinking I was dying.  She said the EKG indicated I have a "hypertrophic" (thickened), enlarged heart.  Well, turns out, NO, I don't, my heart muscle is perfectly healthy as far as size and thickness and such.  When I told the cardiologist she sent me to what she said, he said, "We don't know any of that yet, all we know is you have left bundle branch block", and he ordered further tests to determine what all else might be going on, which thank GOD nothing was, which is rare with LBBB--usually it is ominous and indicates other bad stuff going on with it, like what the primary care doctor had summarily told me I had, based on the EKG alone, but in my case NO, I don't have any of that (thank God!!!), so she should have either zipped her mouth or said that it COULD indicate x, y and z.  Instead she scared me to death and I remained in that terrified state for several MONTHS, in between the EKG and getting the other tests.  It took a while to schedule the tests because insurance tried to deny them and the cardiologist had to fight for them.  ANYWAY:  this primary care doc left a lot to be desired on quite a few fronts, and I'm thinking the "you are not in perimenopause" statement was one of 'em.  I most certainly AM, chickadee.  Never argue with a perimenopausal woman!  *lol*!  


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I am 53 and still going strong.  I take Vit A and Progesterone for flooding.  If I take 50,000 IU of Vit A when I have flooded, within about 3 hours I am down to a light flow.  My mother, a heavy smoker, was done when she was 49.  My sister is going to be 55 this year and no "pause" for her.

My MIL was 59...yes it can go on forever...she is 82, still plays golf and cross country skiis.  I wonder if you are healthy, the later menopause hits???

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Rosa,
Am using "now solutions" natural progesterone cream, just did an amazon search, an 85 g tube that pumps 20mg progesterone. Am also supplementing vitax Angus castus, black cohosh and now bladderwrack for my O' ness.
The Lee book makes loads of suggestions for cream in the back but I had already ordered mine when I read the book.
Can't stress enough how important this book is for every woman no matter what her age.
Am experiencing incredible normalizing of how I feel, will be interesting to see what my next period is like...
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Please forgive me for popping in here, but what is the the latest word on HRT? Wouldn't progesterone cream be one form of this?  Or is there a great difference between natural and synthetic forms?


My wife suffers terribly from flushes and night sweats, and I would do anything to help her. The recommended supplements (Fem Balance, royal jelly, L-tyrosine, and cordyceps mushrooms) for menopause, thyroid and adrenal support have helped the intensity to some degree, but it's still pretty awful.



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Please forgive me for popping in here, but what is the the latest word on HRT? Wouldn't progesterone cream be one form of this?  Or is there a great difference between natural and synthetic forms?


My wife suffers terribly from flushes and night sweats, and I would do anything to help her. The recommended supplements (Fem Balance, royal jelly, L-tyrosine, and cordyceps mushrooms) for menopause, thyroid and adrenal support have helped the intensity to some degree, but it's still pretty awful.  [quote]



I agree - I have tried most everything including dietary changes for the last 4 months losing 34 lbs with NO sugar or junk and following my Swami eating regime almost to the T, and nothing has helped.  I'm going to try this Tranistions Product http://www.amazon.com/Pure-Ess.....enopause   and if that doesn't work, I'm going to look into HRT.  I can't take these any longer.. they are flat out horrid.

And hey Peppermint Twist.. I didn't start my menopause until 53-1/2 and I'm almost 55.  And my personal opinion is that the magazine AARP is really fantastic and so are the benies.  I endorsed it completely at 50 and have enjoyed very informative articles with cover stories on the big stars that are my age.  So I'd look into it.. it's nothing to be ashamed of that's for sure!  A great magazine for people 50 and over.






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Hey BluesSinger, good to see you survived your tour. Welcome back  


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yes with flying colors!  took most of my food with me and my Nutribullet, a two burner stove and a tea water heater.

shopped and got as much organic as I could.. in some part of the NW it was hard..  

but overall on the road I was 90% compliant!  

I had to indulge in the fried okra a couple of times.. i know.. BAAAAADDDDD!!!  

I'm now quite hooked line and sinker on the Nutribullet!  I don't even want to juice anymore...  
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Before going to HRT, try a generous serving of freshly ground flax seeds every day and just see if it helps.  

Isa, natural progestrone (topical) is very different from synthetic progestin.  The one I use is from wild yam.  Some are from soy.  You just have to read the labels to see which one it is.



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Averno dearle..would go for HRT in chemical bombes but merely for bioidentical hrt if so... I fear for all women with chemical HRT... it seems it really triggers cancerous issues of the finest....

and hey youzz... you're always welcomed here on all boards ....

If the recommendations once given won't work to her best... so far come along and give a try to black cohosh but in higher amounts and or as mentioned above ....


Victoria, I know thatswhy I do resist always to recommend any  chemical blombs  
and I tried Yams by myselve but must be honest... it didn't do lots for me...better for me to come along in managing hiot flashes with cordyceps, royal jelly etc... this works great for me .... but also all in higher amounts... (orthomolecular- ones ....... even as being an explorer in some supplements my body seems to cope well in higher amounts... (highest ).... but then in any kind of allopathic treatments...you might forget me.....


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Quoted from Amazone I.

and hey youzz... you're always welcomed here on all boards ....


Thanks, Isa   I  just didn't want to    anyone.


Quoted from Amazone I.

If the recommendations once given won't work to her best... so far come along andf give a try to black cohosh but in higher amounts and or as mentioned above ....


We'll bump up the black cohosh and monitor how she tolerates it.


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not at all..we're here to help eachother.....


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Well, I know I, for one, could almost definitely benefit from using a natural progesterone cream, yet I am really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really...did I mention really? ....scared to mess with hormones.  Hormones are powerful little suckers and if you don't get the balance just right, you've got PROBLEMS and that starts with "P" and that rhymes with "Gee", it's not nice to fool Mother Nature!  ( <--As the old margarine ad slogan goes   ).

On the one hand, I know that my hormones get out of balance sometimes, usually most pronouncedly so about two days before each period, like clockwork.  That is when I am most likely to experience the worst of any PMS symptoms I might get, such as crying jags or, worse--and thankfully pretty rare if I'm eating right, sleeping right, exercising right--sudden explosions of intense RAGE   .  Also, I can get very agitated, like keyed up and unable to sleep.  By contrast, I think that the first and second, especially, night of my period is when I have the MOST progesterone coursing through my system of the entire month, as those are the only two nights of the month when I seem to really be able to SLEEP better than any other night.  I'm sure that some natural progesterone cream, used in the proper amount and applied correctly, is probably just the ticket to balance my hormones, but then again, it may not be as simple as that and I don't want to guess at that, unilaterally, and experiment with hormones, as I do with other things such as dietary tweaking and trying different natural supplements for various things.  Hormones are a whole different story.

If I were going to do anything, I would get a full work-up by an endocrinologist first and see what he or she had to say re my specific, individual hormones and what I should or should not consider doing.  Then, depending on what s/he said, I would consider going with a NATURAL "bioidentical" hormone cream or whatever ("whatever" being something like wild yam or natural supplements) but I would NOT go on synthetic hormones.  The exception would be if, God forbid, my thyroid stopped working (like my sister's) and I needed to go on a thyroid hormone.  But for female stuff, I'd rather be outta wack than go on the synthetic stuff.  And as far as natural stuff, I'd consult with an endo before doing ANYTHING.  Hormones are one thing I don't experiment with unilaterally.  


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I am lucky enough to have a doctor who works with bio identical hormones and does extensive testing (every week for a full cycle) before he decides if you need hormones.  He is also a big advocate of listening to your body and adjusting as required once he has you on hormones.

I never used progesterone cream, I always had the sublingual form of the hormone.

I started having what I thought were hot flashes last year.  Ends up they were symptoms of a slightly toxic liver.  Got that cleaned up and no more hot flashes.  I also find any type of dairy product as well as grain product will send me into hot flash territory.  
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*my signs* of hot flashes were only the result of adrenal fatigue   todays I'm persuated = stress response....


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You could try the A.Vogel remedy 'Menosan' for hot flushes. It contains tincture of the herb sage. It helped me. I still get flushes but they are very much decreased.
Best of luck, Marty s
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I am lucky enough to have a doctor who works with bio identical hormones and does extensive testing (every week for a full cycle) before he decides if you need hormones.  He is also a big advocate of listening to your body and adjusting as required once he has you on hormones.

omg, your doctor sound fantastic, but then again, you are in Canada, which could explain the difference in approach from what one normally finds here in the states, namely, assembly line ALERT.  I think he is so right on to test your hormones every week for a full cycle before deciding anything!  Is he a primary care doctor or an endo?  If a primary care, color me even more amazed and impressed.  Must be a Canadian thing because I have yet to find a primary care doctor worth her or his salt down here, stateside.  I'm sure they exist, I just have yet to find one in all my born days.



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This is probably the dumbest Q ever posted but, here goes:  exactly what is a "hot flash" anyway?  I mean, I know it can vary from woman to woman, but what is/are the precise symptoms(s), what is the experience?  Maybe I've had one and don't know it.     I don't think I have, though.

Inquiring minds want to know.


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You'll know when you have one...
...its just like a sudden heat surge that 'embraces' you whole being for just a few minutes, then subsides. It mainly happens at night, maybe many times and is very disruptive, in my own experience, but I do remember also having them (whilst down regulating on IVF medication) first thing in the morning after a coffee, which is how I've been able to recognise them...
That's me, would be interested what others have experienced also...and do they get worse? longer lasting?
...although must just say that the natural (from yam) progesterone is working like a dream...and have been having best nights sleep in ages.
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Peppermint Twist, as already mentioned, hot flushes can be different for everyone.  Mine happened any time during the day and night.  Often if I was anxious or upset about something I'd get one.  For me I'd often feel chilled first and go put a sweater on and then bam, you're hit with this intense heat blast.  
I also agree with JeanB, that the liver is very much involved with hot flushes.  When my liver is out of sorts I get them much more frequently and intenser.



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Peppermint Twist, as already mentioned, hot flushes can be different for everyone.  Mine happened any time during the day and night.  Often if I was anxious or upset about something I'd get one.  For me I'd often feel chilled first and go put a sweater on and then bam, you're hit with this intense heat blast.  
I also agree with JeanB, that the liver is very much involved with hot flushes.  When my liver is out of sorts I get them much more frequently and intenser.


What causes the liver to go out of sorts? Processing too many toxins?
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Peppy, the doctor is a GP practicing within Alberta Health Care.  Although he isn't what I would call mainstream, he is one of about 15 MD's who practice this way in the city in which I live.  The ob/gyn I saw after I has son no 2. also does bio identical hormones.  

My hot flashes usually start on my head and I immediately sweat, my feet get extremely hot and then I seem to get hot from the inside out.  5 minutes later and walking on cold floor tiles seem to cool me down.

The liver thing shows up when I stray from the diet specifically with dairy, also when I work in industrial factories and spend too much time around chemicals.  
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PT, you live in Florida, so you know what a hot flash is.  It's like stepping from your air conditioned home into a 98* afternoon, except you don't actually step outside.

Extremely early menopause runs in my family and I'm feeling the affects of it. I have been for three years now.


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PT, you live in Florida, so you know what a hot flash is.  It's like stepping from your air conditioned home into a 98* afternoon, except you don't actually step outside.

Extremely early menopause runs in my family and I'm feeling the affects of it. I have been for three years now.


I don't know Ribbit.. it's like nothing I've ever experienced and I've lived in HOT AND HUMID TENN AND MISSOURI.  Also Arkansas.  

Hot flashes are pretty gross no matter how you outline it.  Hard to explain really.  Here's hoping you don't get them PT!!!  
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Jean B, I like the bare feet to the cool floor tiles approach. Has anyone had luck with a cooling gel-type neck thing? My wife grabs the nearest fan (they're plugged in around the house in strategic places) but maybe one of these would work better. I've been thinking of getting some of these for out-of-the-house times:


http://www.amazon.com/Dynarex-.....s=instant+cold+packs



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BluesSinger, by "out of sorts with my liver", I mean that my liver is congested right now.  Haven't figured exactly why it's in this state again, but I have been doing numerous liver cleanses and it has been helping.  Still have to do another.  Will find out next month if they have been helping, when I go back to see the guy who does Live Blood Cell Analysis for me.



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You'll know when you have one...

  
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...its just like a sudden heat surge that 'embraces' you whole being for just a few minutes, then subsides. It mainly happens at night, maybe many times and is very disruptive, in my own experience, but I do remember also having them (whilst down regulating on IVF medication) first thing in the morning after a coffee, which is how I've been able to recognise them...
That's me, would be interested what others have experienced also...and do they get worse? longer lasting?
...although must just say that the natural (from yam) progesterone is working like a dream...and have been having best nights sleep in ages.

Very interesting and useful info, both on the specifics of hot flashes and on your positive experience with natural progesterone cream.  Thank you.    


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My hot flashes usually start on my head and I immediately sweat, my feet get extremely hot and then I seem to get hot from the inside out.  5 minutes later and walking on cold floor tiles seem to cool me down.

Geez, that does not sound like a lot of fun.  If I start getting symptoms like that, maybe I'll warm up (no pun intended   ) to the progesterone cream really quickly.  I'd still ask a good endo and/or OB/Gyn.  Like I said earlier, the idea of experimenting with hormones on my own scares me, even using a little natural/bioidentical progesterone cream when I think I probably do need to have more progesterone in my system on certain days (two days before my period--I should probably dive into a vat of it at that point!   ).



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I'm using the natural progest cream and i can only use it when i go to bed as it makes me tired. sometimes when i wake up in a hot flash at 10:30 and then at 12:30 and then at 2:30 and then at 5:30, during one of those times i'll do more progest.

can anyone tell me how much i;m supposed to use to combat these awful hot flashes?  

i can't do it during the day as like i said, it makes me tired.  (:
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Bluessinger, I would use the amount given on the label..I´d imagine that each brand may be different. Also, as far as I know, ´bio-identical´´  & ´´natural´ may not be the same if anyone could enlighten me further..

I read the book on bio-identical hormones by Dr. David Brownstein as he reckons anyone using these hormones should have levels checked by their doctor...however it depends of course where you live ( Canada it seems!) and can actually find a doctor who is open to this. When I had reaally severe flooding the doc recommended the coil..and when I asked about bio-identical progesterone her eyes sort of glazed-over..so I went ahead and ordered some of Natpro...I used it just for a few months and no flooding since, so maybe it just sorted the imbalance. I also occasionally do a castor-oil pack on the liver to keep it from being congested as liver definitely affects all things menstrual...another reason why alcohol intake can contribute to the flooding-factor!
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No matter what amount I use the hot flashes continue and actually increase.        So I guess I'll find a Natural Path doc in my area and try to get some tests done to find out about my hormone levels to see if anything can be done.  

I've had women friends tell me 'NOTHING WORKS,' and others have something that has worked so it's really a guessing game.  sigh.
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Well there's a thing...
...Just did the genotype test and found out that I'm an explorer and predisposed to liver issues and hormone imbalance...(probably...haven't got the book yet so do not know much).
So...am thinking that hot flushes could be due to chemicals, stress, hormones blah blah.
Will do castor oils packs too...
What a revelation.
Just goes to show that you really are always learning...
All your posts have given me the clues...
Thank you good people x
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welcome in the club, Brimstone
predisposed doesn't means that it must happen... it's also written that we seem to be (I like the word seem) not that quick in detoxings issues..when I've got tested
in gentestings... those told me the absolute contrary .... all about belief systems...


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Dr John Lee MD has some great books on HRT's. You can preveiw the books at his website and maybe on amazon.


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Here's my description of a hot flash.  You're wearing normal clothes in normal temperature when
suddenly for no obvious reason, you're feeling too hot.  It's not just too hot but unbearable hoeat....
and the heat is rising from the tops of your legs to the middle of your chest and heading towards your face and head. You're sweating and your head is sweating and you almost feel like you're
standing on top of an open fire. It
lasts about 30 seconds or even less, and suddenly, it disappears....You can wind up feeling chilled
after you've been so irritatingly hot.   And here's what used to set me off...hot foods, spicy foods,
sugary foods.  I often thought if I never drank coffee, never ate anything spicy and never touched
a speck of sugar, then I wouldn't have this explosive heat wave.  It happened a lot in my 40s
but probably started in my early 40s.  It would happen while I was sleeping where I'd suddenly find that a light sheet was unbearably uncomfortable....the room was too hot....the fan needed to be turned on....I felt this was a true temperature issue rather than it emanating from within me.

This is something I managed to get past....Once my hormonal level had dropped to where I was
past menopause, my body learned to accept whatever hormones I had left....and the hot flashes stopped.  

I've read the hypothalamus is responsible for this heat wave called hot flashes.  It truly is a flash of
hotness....sweating and almost feeling upset because you're not prepared....and it can happen in
a crowd of people who are perfectly comfortable with the windows closed, wearing a coat and you're
ripping your clothes off trying to get cool.  I once stuck my head into a freezer cabinet in the
supermarket in the middle of a hot flash.

IT comes, it usually goes....your life goes on.  Does't happen to everyone.  My sister said she's never
had a hot flash....and she's in her 60s past menopause.

I never found a solution to stop hot flashes....I only tried to quickly cool off when I felt too hot....
which was often just ripping off an outer layer of clothing, drinking something cold or just
putting cold water on my face.  Hot flashes seem to have a mind of their own!  


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Dr John Lee MD has some great books on HRT's. You can preveiw the books at his website and maybe on amazon.


I've read a few of his books from the library. Even if you don't want to use hormones, his books are a good way to figure out what's going on with your body. From reading them, I realized I had too much progesterone/ not enough estrogen to balance it- which is NOT a typical reaction. I started taking some herbs that increase estrogen production (lavender tea). When symptoms shift, I cut back on the herbs.


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I've read a few of his books from the library. Even if you don't want to use hormones, his books are a good way to figure out what's going on with your body. From reading them, I realized I had too much progesterone/ not enough estrogen to balance it- which is NOT a typical reaction. I started taking some herbs that increase estrogen production (lavender tea). When symptoms shift, I cut back on the herbs.


Do you have low body fat by any chance? Im just curious because of the logic I remember about body fat causing higher estrogen. You're right about the books helping you figure stuff out, and whats right for you is up to you (:.



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Nope- I'm about 30 pounds overweight- down from a high of 60 pounds overweight, but still with plenty of fat go go around! Even at a healthy weight, I wouldn't be "low on body fat." I'm naturally quite curvy.


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I learned from his books that extra body fat = estrogen. I also learned through a saliva test I took 7-8 years ago that you can be estrogen dominant part of the month and deficient another part of the month. As it turned out some days I had too much and other days just enough, no deficiencies.

I am guessing you used the signs for estrogen and progesterone he suggests, and did not have any further testing because you were able to straighten it out. Is that correct?


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I do about a pea-sized amount of yam cream every morning and every night on the insides of my arms, thighs or belly.


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I learned from his books that extra body fat = estrogen. I also learned through a saliva test I took 7-8 years ago that you can be estrogen dominant part of the month and deficient another part of the month. As it turned out some days I had too much and other days just enough, no deficiencies.

I am guessing you used the signs for estrogen and progesterone he suggests, and did not have any further testing because you were able to straighten it out. Is that correct?


Yes, I did it based on the questionnaires in the books. What I could determine was that I seemed to have too much testosterone, which can only be treated by increasing estrogen and progesterone. I also had very long luteal phases- of which I could find no information about. But short LPs were linked to low progesterone- so it seemed logical that long LPs should be due to high progesterone. Adding in some lavender tea the second half of the month helped get me back into balance. I've stopped using the lavender tea, as my symptoms have shifted (very likely due to getting mercury fillings removed, as the "white fillings" could well have xenoestrogens in them.)


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Yes, I did it based on the questionnaires in the books. What I could determine was that I seemed to have too much testosterone, which can only be treated by increasing estrogen and progesterone. I also had very long luteal phases- of which I could find no information about. But short LPs were linked to low progesterone- so it seemed logical that long LPs should be due to high progesterone. Adding in some lavender tea the second half of the month helped get me back into balance. I've stopped using the lavender tea, as my symptoms have shifted (very likely due to getting mercury fillings removed, as the "white fillings" could well have xenoestrogens in them.)


Wait, what about the fillings? I had my old mercury ones almost all taken out and replaced with white not too long ago.

I had blood work tell me I had too much testosterone, plus I have a few unwanted hairs (male growth pattern). Something tells me that excess estrogen turns into testosterone excess, if memory serves me. Wouldnt you want to eat foods to lower this, like onion, brocholi, lemon, flax seed, peppers ect.... I dont remember where I learned that, or have anything off the top of my head to back it up, but its something worth looking into.



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Most of those foods are already staples in my diet. I follow SWAMI and emphasize my beneficials and diamonds, and don't worry too much about anything else.

Right now my cycles are regular enough and I don't have any obvious hormonal imbalances and Dr Lee's books are back at the library. I'm not taking any herbs to balance my hormones right now (except for some raspberry leaf tea to help with cramps). If things get unbalanced again, I'll reread those books and research which herbs will likely help,  but for now things are good enough.


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Wait, what about the fillings? I had my old mercury ones almost all taken out and replaced with white not too long ago.

I had blood work tell me I had too much testosterone, plus I have a few unwanted hairs (male growth pattern). Something tells me that excess estrogen turns into testosterone excess, if memory serves me. Wouldnt you want to eat foods to lower this, like onion, brocholi, lemon, flax seed, peppers ect.... I dont remember where I learned that, or have anything off the top of my head to back it up, but its something worth looking into.



Detoxical D is what I would recommend to you.  Helps your body get rid of excess hormones.

The crucifer veggies will help balance the estrogen you make and absorb from the environment
but calcium D glucarate will help your body get rid of the excess.




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From someone who never had hot flushes in her life (62 now) ... has anyone tested their bp during a hot flush episode?  Just curious ...




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I got the most benefits from Dr. D's Fem Balance and freshly ground flax seeds (I prefer the blonde seeds).  Without either of these, hot flushes would annoy terribly!  


Hey Victoria....So how much of the flaxseeds per day?  
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Hey Victoria....So how much of the flaxseeds per day?  


I grind 3 Tb and put them in my smoothie.  

It's possible that a high lignan flax oil (refrigerated) might have the same benefit, but I never tested it at the time.



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I grind 3 Tb and put them in my smoothie.  

It's possible that a high lignan flax oil (refrigerated) might have the same benefit, but I never tested it at the time.


I'll be meeting with a new naturalpath today and I'll ask her about this.  I grind them up for my smoothies too but I only have smoothies about 3 times a week.  Possibly I should try to eat these everyday?
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Swami Following HUNTER
Ee Dan
Posts: 799
Gender: Female
Location: Grants Pass, OR
Age: 55
Anybody on BioIdentical Hormone Therapy or have experience with it?

Also found this book - anyone read this:

http://www.amazon.com/Hot-Here-Complete-Guide-Menopause/dp/0761138080

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Tami
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rh+
Autumn: Harvest, success.
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Gender: Female
Age: 45
Very interesting thread (:


GT3 Teacher (Blood Group AB Rh Positive Secretor Status Unknown)
I still have more testing to complete my swami
I'm cooking for all 4 types, and my work is cut out in the mom cave. Our blood types are as follows AB+ (me), O-, A+ (x2 adult children), B+(2 year old).
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aussielady582
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Be kind to everyone; be persistent with health!
Autumn: Harvest, success.
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yes, flax seeds helpful.  So is herbal tea (sip warm), spices every day in ghee, exercise and yoga/breathing, learning about adrenal glands, lots of vegetables, a fresh raw juice often, missing a meal sometimes to rest the whole system, more rest and good quality sleep.
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