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Amazone I.
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Averno dearle..would go for HRT in chemical bombes but merely for bioidentical hrt if so... I fear for all women with chemical HRT... it seems it really triggers cancerous issues of the finest....

and hey youzz... you're always welcomed here on all boards ....

If the recommendations once given won't work to her best... so far come along and give a try to black cohosh but in higher amounts and or as mentioned above ....


Victoria, I know thatswhy I do resist always to recommend any  chemical blombs  
and I tried Yams by myselve but must be honest... it didn't do lots for me...better for me to come along in managing hiot flashes with cordyceps, royal jelly etc... this works great for me .... but also all in higher amounts... (orthomolecular- ones ....... even as being an explorer in some supplements my body seems to cope well in higher amounts... (highest ).... but then in any kind of allopathic treatments...you might forget me.....


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Quoted from Amazone I.

and hey youzz... you're always welcomed here on all boards ....


Thanks, Isa   I  just didn't want to    anyone.


Quoted from Amazone I.

If the recommendations once given won't work to her best... so far come along andf give a try to black cohosh but in higher amounts and or as mentioned above ....


We'll bump up the black cohosh and monitor how she tolerates it.


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not at all..we're here to help eachother.....


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Well, I know I, for one, could almost definitely benefit from using a natural progesterone cream, yet I am really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really...did I mention really? ....scared to mess with hormones.  Hormones are powerful little suckers and if you don't get the balance just right, you've got PROBLEMS and that starts with "P" and that rhymes with "Gee", it's not nice to fool Mother Nature!  ( <--As the old margarine ad slogan goes   ).

On the one hand, I know that my hormones get out of balance sometimes, usually most pronouncedly so about two days before each period, like clockwork.  That is when I am most likely to experience the worst of any PMS symptoms I might get, such as crying jags or, worse--and thankfully pretty rare if I'm eating right, sleeping right, exercising right--sudden explosions of intense RAGE   .  Also, I can get very agitated, like keyed up and unable to sleep.  By contrast, I think that the first and second, especially, night of my period is when I have the MOST progesterone coursing through my system of the entire month, as those are the only two nights of the month when I seem to really be able to SLEEP better than any other night.  I'm sure that some natural progesterone cream, used in the proper amount and applied correctly, is probably just the ticket to balance my hormones, but then again, it may not be as simple as that and I don't want to guess at that, unilaterally, and experiment with hormones, as I do with other things such as dietary tweaking and trying different natural supplements for various things.  Hormones are a whole different story.

If I were going to do anything, I would get a full work-up by an endocrinologist first and see what he or she had to say re my specific, individual hormones and what I should or should not consider doing.  Then, depending on what s/he said, I would consider going with a NATURAL "bioidentical" hormone cream or whatever ("whatever" being something like wild yam or natural supplements) but I would NOT go on synthetic hormones.  The exception would be if, God forbid, my thyroid stopped working (like my sister's) and I needed to go on a thyroid hormone.  But for female stuff, I'd rather be outta wack than go on the synthetic stuff.  And as far as natural stuff, I'd consult with an endo before doing ANYTHING.  Hormones are one thing I don't experiment with unilaterally.  


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I am lucky enough to have a doctor who works with bio identical hormones and does extensive testing (every week for a full cycle) before he decides if you need hormones.  He is also a big advocate of listening to your body and adjusting as required once he has you on hormones.

I never used progesterone cream, I always had the sublingual form of the hormone.

I started having what I thought were hot flashes last year.  Ends up they were symptoms of a slightly toxic liver.  Got that cleaned up and no more hot flashes.  I also find any type of dairy product as well as grain product will send me into hot flash territory.  
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*my signs* of hot flashes were only the result of adrenal fatigue   todays I'm persuated = stress response....


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You could try the A.Vogel remedy 'Menosan' for hot flushes. It contains tincture of the herb sage. It helped me. I still get flushes but they are very much decreased.
Best of luck, Marty s
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I am lucky enough to have a doctor who works with bio identical hormones and does extensive testing (every week for a full cycle) before he decides if you need hormones.  He is also a big advocate of listening to your body and adjusting as required once he has you on hormones.

omg, your doctor sound fantastic, but then again, you are in Canada, which could explain the difference in approach from what one normally finds here in the states, namely, assembly line ALERT.  I think he is so right on to test your hormones every week for a full cycle before deciding anything!  Is he a primary care doctor or an endo?  If a primary care, color me even more amazed and impressed.  Must be a Canadian thing because I have yet to find a primary care doctor worth her or his salt down here, stateside.  I'm sure they exist, I just have yet to find one in all my born days.



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This is probably the dumbest Q ever posted but, here goes:  exactly what is a "hot flash" anyway?  I mean, I know it can vary from woman to woman, but what is/are the precise symptoms(s), what is the experience?  Maybe I've had one and don't know it.     I don't think I have, though.

Inquiring minds want to know.


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You'll know when you have one...
...its just like a sudden heat surge that 'embraces' you whole being for just a few minutes, then subsides. It mainly happens at night, maybe many times and is very disruptive, in my own experience, but I do remember also having them (whilst down regulating on IVF medication) first thing in the morning after a coffee, which is how I've been able to recognise them...
That's me, would be interested what others have experienced also...and do they get worse? longer lasting?
...although must just say that the natural (from yam) progesterone is working like a dream...and have been having best nights sleep in ages.
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Peppermint Twist, as already mentioned, hot flushes can be different for everyone.  Mine happened any time during the day and night.  Often if I was anxious or upset about something I'd get one.  For me I'd often feel chilled first and go put a sweater on and then bam, you're hit with this intense heat blast.  
I also agree with JeanB, that the liver is very much involved with hot flushes.  When my liver is out of sorts I get them much more frequently and intenser.



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Peppermint Twist, as already mentioned, hot flushes can be different for everyone.  Mine happened any time during the day and night.  Often if I was anxious or upset about something I'd get one.  For me I'd often feel chilled first and go put a sweater on and then bam, you're hit with this intense heat blast.  
I also agree with JeanB, that the liver is very much involved with hot flushes.  When my liver is out of sorts I get them much more frequently and intenser.


What causes the liver to go out of sorts? Processing too many toxins?
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Peppy, the doctor is a GP practicing within Alberta Health Care.  Although he isn't what I would call mainstream, he is one of about 15 MD's who practice this way in the city in which I live.  The ob/gyn I saw after I has son no 2. also does bio identical hormones.  

My hot flashes usually start on my head and I immediately sweat, my feet get extremely hot and then I seem to get hot from the inside out.  5 minutes later and walking on cold floor tiles seem to cool me down.

The liver thing shows up when I stray from the diet specifically with dairy, also when I work in industrial factories and spend too much time around chemicals.  
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PT, you live in Florida, so you know what a hot flash is.  It's like stepping from your air conditioned home into a 98* afternoon, except you don't actually step outside.

Extremely early menopause runs in my family and I'm feeling the affects of it. I have been for three years now.


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PT, you live in Florida, so you know what a hot flash is.  It's like stepping from your air conditioned home into a 98* afternoon, except you don't actually step outside.

Extremely early menopause runs in my family and I'm feeling the affects of it. I have been for three years now.


I don't know Ribbit.. it's like nothing I've ever experienced and I've lived in HOT AND HUMID TENN AND MISSOURI.  Also Arkansas.  

Hot flashes are pretty gross no matter how you outline it.  Hard to explain really.  Here's hoping you don't get them PT!!!  
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Jean B, I like the bare feet to the cool floor tiles approach. Has anyone had luck with a cooling gel-type neck thing? My wife grabs the nearest fan (they're plugged in around the house in strategic places) but maybe one of these would work better. I've been thinking of getting some of these for out-of-the-house times:


http://www.amazon.com/Dynarex-.....s=instant+cold+packs



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BluesSinger, by "out of sorts with my liver", I mean that my liver is congested right now.  Haven't figured exactly why it's in this state again, but I have been doing numerous liver cleanses and it has been helping.  Still have to do another.  Will find out next month if they have been helping, when I go back to see the guy who does Live Blood Cell Analysis for me.



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You'll know when you have one...

  
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...its just like a sudden heat surge that 'embraces' you whole being for just a few minutes, then subsides. It mainly happens at night, maybe many times and is very disruptive, in my own experience, but I do remember also having them (whilst down regulating on IVF medication) first thing in the morning after a coffee, which is how I've been able to recognise them...
That's me, would be interested what others have experienced also...and do they get worse? longer lasting?
...although must just say that the natural (from yam) progesterone is working like a dream...and have been having best nights sleep in ages.

Very interesting and useful info, both on the specifics of hot flashes and on your positive experience with natural progesterone cream.  Thank you.    


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My hot flashes usually start on my head and I immediately sweat, my feet get extremely hot and then I seem to get hot from the inside out.  5 minutes later and walking on cold floor tiles seem to cool me down.

Geez, that does not sound like a lot of fun.  If I start getting symptoms like that, maybe I'll warm up (no pun intended   ) to the progesterone cream really quickly.  I'd still ask a good endo and/or OB/Gyn.  Like I said earlier, the idea of experimenting with hormones on my own scares me, even using a little natural/bioidentical progesterone cream when I think I probably do need to have more progesterone in my system on certain days (two days before my period--I should probably dive into a vat of it at that point!   ).



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I'm using the natural progest cream and i can only use it when i go to bed as it makes me tired. sometimes when i wake up in a hot flash at 10:30 and then at 12:30 and then at 2:30 and then at 5:30, during one of those times i'll do more progest.

can anyone tell me how much i;m supposed to use to combat these awful hot flashes?  

i can't do it during the day as like i said, it makes me tired.  (:
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Bluessinger, I would use the amount given on the label..I´d imagine that each brand may be different. Also, as far as I know, ´bio-identical´´  & ´´natural´ may not be the same if anyone could enlighten me further..

I read the book on bio-identical hormones by Dr. David Brownstein as he reckons anyone using these hormones should have levels checked by their doctor...however it depends of course where you live ( Canada it seems!) and can actually find a doctor who is open to this. When I had reaally severe flooding the doc recommended the coil..and when I asked about bio-identical progesterone her eyes sort of glazed-over..so I went ahead and ordered some of Natpro...I used it just for a few months and no flooding since, so maybe it just sorted the imbalance. I also occasionally do a castor-oil pack on the liver to keep it from being congested as liver definitely affects all things menstrual...another reason why alcohol intake can contribute to the flooding-factor!
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No matter what amount I use the hot flashes continue and actually increase.        So I guess I'll find a Natural Path doc in my area and try to get some tests done to find out about my hormone levels to see if anything can be done.  

I've had women friends tell me 'NOTHING WORKS,' and others have something that has worked so it's really a guessing game.  sigh.
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Well there's a thing...
...Just did the genotype test and found out that I'm an explorer and predisposed to liver issues and hormone imbalance...(probably...haven't got the book yet so do not know much).
So...am thinking that hot flushes could be due to chemicals, stress, hormones blah blah.
Will do castor oils packs too...
What a revelation.
Just goes to show that you really are always learning...
All your posts have given me the clues...
Thank you good people x
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welcome in the club, Brimstone
predisposed doesn't means that it must happen... it's also written that we seem to be (I like the word seem) not that quick in detoxings issues..when I've got tested
in gentestings... those told me the absolute contrary .... all about belief systems...


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