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motso
Tuesday, July 30, 2013, 10:21am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I have a 17 years old daughter who seem to be suffering from extreme fatigue.  She is always tired and always finds a way to sleep during the day.  She is A+ and so is her father. She always complaina about being tired even in the morning.  I think she needs help before her exams as she has performed poorly in her midyear exams.  I need some ideas on how to help her without taking her to the doctor.


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why not a doctor?  was she always this way? is she a night person with schoiol time up side down?  is she embitious or lazy if left to her own devices?  many questions..
what does she eat for breakfast lunch and diner, snacks, with her friends?

For A's I think coffee is a good thing? if it is then why is that not enough to wake up?

there are others here who have the same problem.

what is her weight, what is the situation with friends, and boys, does she get up for them? is she depressed. depressed for reasons, or just because she ingests white sugar in many forms?

was she always like that, ist it her pattern, does she get exited about anything?  would she get up for parties?

all this matters..

but in the end only her diet here matters, as that is her best help.  

if she were in need of adrenal support, to wake her up and be alert, buy adrenal support supplements from most chiropractors, from Standard Process.   they are cheap, ready available, and natural.  they will give he body what it needs.  Add sugarless / starch free foods/ and all should change.

nothing changes over night, counseling might be in order, I know we have one person here who is experienced at this and I also know she will answer you .. all the best..

p/s anyone in the family with diabetes? does she get hypoglicemia?  just asking as that could be a reason for tired.. would she come here and speak for her own self, on her own thread?  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Andrea AWsec
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b12 and ashwahganda---

How is her diet and her sleep habits?


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If the onset of this was fairly sudden, it might be Epstein Barr.  My wife and niece had this while in school.  My niece had to take time off.  She's the right age for it.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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motso
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Thanx to you Goldie, Andrea  AWsec and SquarePeg.  Her diet consists of protein and I try by all means to restrict her from from wheat and dairy because she has a sinus problem and since I took milk from her diet she seems better with no sneezing at all.  Usually for breakfast she will have eggs and veggies, she likes mushrooms.  For lunch she carries her own lunchbox consisting of veggies, fruits and meat and sometimes polony, beef fillets or fish.  

She has always been like this, she looks and acts lazy and does not like doing anything but watching tv.  I am not sure what she eats when she is with her friends but I can tell you that she likes potato chips a lot.

She was 51 kg the last time she weighed, which was last month. She was depressed at one stage but it was because of not performing well at school.  She has to repeat a grade and she became so depressed and wanted to take her own life.  She is not into boys, but not sure, she has not said anything or shown sign that she has a boyfriend as she is always at home.

There is no one from my side of the family or her father's side of the family with diabetes.  I think I should encourage her to come to this side to speak for herself.  She can put it in a way you will understand better than it coming from me.  I will go to the chemist to get her adrenal support.  I am in South Africa but I know if I go to the chemist they can prescribe something for her.

I will go into the internet and check Epstein Berr as I have not heard of it before.


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Hi Motso, as your daughter is an A her sources of protein shouldn't include beef.  There are no meats that are beneficial for her, but her neutrals would be chicken, Cornish hen, grouse, guinea hen, ostrich and turkey.

I have also read that if your liver is sluggish it makes it hard to get up in the morning.  Hot water and lemon is good first thing in the morning is good for that.



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Thanks BCgal, she usually takes chicken but she will sometimes want to eat mince or boerevors, also made from beef.  I think I need to look at what she eats when she is with her friends. You know kids will always be kids, they will eat anything whilst you are not with them.  I will definately advice her to to take lemon and hot water in the morning.  


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I would look into getting her, what is called desicated liver supplement, it is generally cheap.. if she does not like th flavor added to cold soup.

Yes diet at home is most important.. but trying to diet away from home MUST be her decision.. she is already not socializing enough, making her diet on issue aut of the house will make things more diffiult.

Can you get her to look for a job?  work is a good get up and go training.. the sooner the better.. volunter work is self security building..

She sounds discourraged to me.. what classes did she fail in.. I think every child deserves a tutor to help, can you or she find one who is a year older and can help for little money?

I would also if I had kids sign my kid up for 'k-trough12' as a home school program.. I have not reviewed it but I know from my own experience I loved seeing TWO explanations and then they sank in..

I was not timid, just average, but felt always as if everything in life is a surprize no stability, no security.. had I had on line computer cleasses to compare what I learned in school and then go home and see it again on computer, where no one thinks I am stupid or dummb// is a wonderful idea.

getting kids off the couch is tough now-a-day.  I have seen kids in their teen years who will only take garbage out when paid.. he,l no way.. our job as parents os to teach work ethics and soacialisation.. alll else is just stuff.   even knowing how to cook and clean house is a must.. makes life much easier..

I would go so far as asking a dr for Birthcontrol pills as they have hormones that awaken the inner strengthes she needs to make it through the day..

Dr D sell Trehalose Complex.. I love it for the feeling of much less chronic depression blue feelings..

the other ingreedient in TC is D-Ribose.. read up on it and see if there is a way for you to get it.. on its own..  

Then also maybe how is her digestion. 51 kilos is perfect!!! for 163cm.. she should be feeling good.. so sorry for her.. I understand her life.. it is a misery.. I lived like that for years.. but for other reasons.. or maybe the same.. self immage issues.. a good boyfriend would do wonders.. did for me .. but getting better came later.. emotions are nasty..

If she where to come here, then make sure she does not read what you type.. it would hurt to much.. change your entries here as if you where in the USA then you both have privacy..    


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Lack of excercise, fresh air and sunshine. Sluggish digestion and nutrient malabsorption from poor diet and hydration. Excess salt. Creative and motivational disinterest from excess television watching...

But she knowns all this. Ask her to come aboard, she'll get lots of support here.
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I think this could be  my presumptions... as well.... hmmmm
but also can be a mechanisme so called *passive behaviour*  love the affirmations of Louise Hays booklets.....


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motso
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I talked to her last night about how I worry about her condition and on the other hand she is also worried about it and we agreed that she should start exercising with me in the morning.  We also agreed that we are gonna take her to the  doctor to access her and after that we will get her some supplements.

She failed Grade 10.  She is a tall and beautiful girl and teachers and friends have approached her for entering beauty pageants and she also refused.  
We also agreed that she should register here on the board.  I think she is aware of her problem and wants to do something about it also.  She also mentioned that she gets tired at school and that also bothers her a  lot. Again thank you guys, what would I do without you.  I feel my shoulders are lighter now as this has been eating me inside now I know what to do to help her.  


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At age 17, you can't "make her follow the BTD." In terms of diet, she's an adult, and you need to treat her the same way you'd treat an adult friend or family member if you wanted them to change their diet.

You can control what food you bring into the house, what's served at family meals, and what's readily available for her to pack with her or grab for a snack. But you can't control what she eats away from home or what other family members bring into the house. The only way she'll stop eating junk food away from home is if she decides for herself that it's worth it.

My teens aren't perfectly compliant away from home, but they've learned for themselves which foods they can "cheat" on with minimal consequences and which ones they REALLY need to avoid. My 17 year old needs to avoid wheat as strictly as possible, but makes no attempt to avoid anything else. For my 18 year old, the "biggies" are soy and sugar. I've had the whole family on BTD for about 4 years, and they've discovered via trial and error (ie, eating off-plan in social settings) which foods they really need to avoid.

Teach her about BTD. Give her the website and/or the books to read. Maybe leave some information lying in the bathroom- lots of people will read anything while sitting on the toilet, even if it's not something they'd otherwise take the time to read. Try not to be annoying or to nag her, but teach her the basics of what you're doing, how it's likely to help her, and give her access to more information if she's interested.

Remember two things here: she's a teenager and she's dealing with depression. Adolescence is an age where people are trying to figure out who they are and where they fit into the world. It's not an easy time to be "different" or to feel left out because you can't eat what everybody else is eating. Also, depressed people have a hard time making changes, even beneficial ones. As much as food can directly affect brain chemicals, somebody feeling fragile isn't in a good place to make positive changes.

It takes a certain amount of self-awareness and self-esteem to say "No thanks, I don't want a potato chip, I'll eat my rice cakes instead" and truly not feel awkward about it. Depressed people sometimes want any excuse to stay in their little hidey-hole, and "I can't eat what they eat" can turn into an excuse to stay there. Lack of social interaction can make depression worse. Alternatively, she may want so desperately to fit in that she's afraid to stand up for herself, even with something as little as eating differently.

So, go easy on her. You can help her a lot by making it easy for her to make healthier food choices at home, and encourage her to pack school lunches instead of buying in the cafeteria. Just those changes alone may help her a lot, even if she makes no effort to make healthier choices away from home or to say "no thanks" to the offer of chips or cookies from friends. If she wants to be more careful with her diet, it needs to be HER choice, not yours, and she may not be ready to make those changes yet.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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I was waiting for you to come in Ruthigirl.. Yes you are right in all you are saying.

I had a 15 year old boy that sat in his room for nealy a year, the only time he seemed to show on interest in life was when he was old enough to get a car..  I contacted one of his teachers, and he helped me to be sure that the boy got all that I could think of, in support and counseling.. Later I found out that he spent that year being love sick... he did not have the courrage to aproach her..

Another boy 16 was hiding behind the computer his whole life until he was old enough to go to college.  he only stopped aggrevate his brother and drive me nuts.. both are ok today.

The third was so annoying that she took My air away.. she was sooooo needy of attention.  It took her longer to grow up she was very ADHD.  It takes then at least three years longer to catch up.

Are there siblings in your house?  or is this a girl alone?

Do you think she is not 'able' to stay awake and alert long enough in school, so as not to be able to learn? Could she be having difficulty concentrating, sitting still , focusing, or daydreaming?

or would she benefit from on line study even now as it is summer and she could styudy at night at her own pace?  --- I am upset if she needs to repeat her grade, that is way to hard, the girl will lose her friends and find it hard.. I feel for her.

Would some tuoring help.. I think it is always a good investment, if she thinks it would help her..

Do you have on idea why she let it go so far?  I feel that each struggling child should be evaluated to see what the potentials are for possible correction.  Understanding her personality / ability is so important. for Her to understand her self might go along way...

Did you look at k-12? Even though it is a US program, it is still in english?  could she do it in english?  just asking no pressure.. I wish we had a teacher here to help her..

I wish that her doctor will be able to evaluate her.. will it be her pediatrician? or adult doctor?  maybe even a female doctor to check her hormone levels?  I wish you so much strength .. it is a hard job to worry ...  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Quoted from Goldie
I was waiting for you to come in Ruthigirl.. Yes you are right in all you are saying.
A genius post Ruthie



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Amazingly wonderful mothers you are, Ruthie and Goldie

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Great advice, Ruthie  
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the dr may bight not be a bad idea at least to get some lab work, she may be deficient in b12 or d or something else. my daughter had very similar symptoms at about the same age, she was diagnosed with narcolepsy, its very scary,but shes a senior in college doing well, she is aware of the btd, she doesnt follow it very well, she tries to do better. i know if she will get serious about it it can help her so much. but like ruthie says when they are grown they have to do it for themselves. it took me 50 years to wake up, but then my mother didnt know about btd either. at least you are there for her to encourage and support
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We are all right here supporting each other and one another, and we do see and experience our individual incredible results.

Suggest to her to read in the thread initiated by Victoria in June 2008 and maintained by Lola (549 posts todate)
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-storybd/m-1276020101/s-0/

I'll use one of Dr. D's adjectives: massive.



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I fed all kids BTD, outside they are on their own making up for the 80/20% haha  Non are doing BTD but they all know about it.. a good step..  

lann1958   how does one get over nacolepsy? how long did she have it. Could this mom in Africa get a label like that and have the school take that into consideration and let her into the next grade, if she has the knowledge.. It is so expencive to repeat a grade, not only the social cost of paying for on extra year of education, the personal cost of losing a year, and the family cost of the child being later coming out of school... and all that how the child feels at that tender age.

I was upposed to have failed 2nd grade.. (the teacher picked on me the first time he shock my hand- no wonder) But I went o a city school for the summer section where they had school all year (in my mountain home it was 6 month school) and them I was able to show that I could enter 3 rd grade.  It was a fight but mom and I accomplished that.  third grade I had a great teacher!, and then I moved me to my granparents so I could attend the city school to the end.

It is worth it to be creative.  I also would ask that she be placed in the proper next grade classes where she did not fail and only be put back into classes she does not comprehend. Split sessions with after school tutoring from her teachers..

I had one child in 5th grade who when I went to school I was told she would not graduate ever as she could not progress in 6th grade.. I was astounded.  She was still counting on her fingers in 5th grade, so I abserved her in school... the teachers had her labeled learning disabled from first grade.. (schools get more money) and then she was taken out of math class 20 minutes into the teacher explaining 5th grade level math...she was put in a special room where other children played peanocle.. she was expected to do 30%tile and was given 30% math problems..
I was furious.. This kid remembered where I placed my keys two weeks ago, (even though this was her first year living with me) and so I inceisted that this kid could learn by attending the ENtire  class and by staying late, and learn not to rely on her 10 fingers!!!  I threatend to sue the school if they were not de-classifying the child and allow me to take the concequence of teaching her.  this child could not do first grade math- I tudort her with a college student for 5 hours every day and the student then Graduated with a B from a tough Math Teacher!!! I am still furious evn 15 years later.. The good thing was that the child was willing to leatrn, it took from Oct to Jan to chatch her up.. and she eventually graduated 12 grade.   so never give up, negotiate..  

    


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