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meribelle
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I hear a lot of people saying they are such and such a blood type and such and such a genotype and they follow both diets.  Is this okay? It sure would broaden ones food lists.  Comments, please.


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Swami combines your BT & GT into a perfect diet for you.  I did good on BTD, bad on GTD & great on Swami.  My son never did Swami.  He’s a Nomad, but not lactose intolerant.  The BTD has milk as beneficial but GTD has an avoid.  In this case, he reverts back to BTD.


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Quoted from meribelle
they are such and such a blood type and such and such a genotype and they follow both diets.  Comments, please.


It would be better than not following a diet at all.

However, each diets food list is what it is for a specific reason. The reason some foods rate differently is cross-purposes.

Combining for the reason of fewer avoids will reduce the overall effectiveness due to cross purpose eating.

SWAMI is designed to meld the diets in an effective manner.
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Thank you.  I doubt I will ever do SWAMI because I am not computer literate enough.  It does get confusing to follow both.  Take oats, for example: Avoid on BTD and beneficial on Gatherer.  I think I will just stick to  BTD for now!  


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If BTD and GTD give two different values for the same food-item, you can also run a trial of each.
In some cases there will be a clear benefit or detriment for a given ingredient.
Some people here are quite "sensitive" to a difference.


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Quoted from san j
If BTD and GTD give two different values for the same food-item, you can also run a trial of each.
In some cases there will be a clear benefit or detriment for a given ingredient.
Some people here are quite "sensitive" to a difference.


In my case blood type always wins.  

I presume for most people blood type would usually win.

This is because blood type has an immediate effect (agglutinating blood) that you can feel in hours.

GenoType diet effects often require resetting genes this happens more in the time frame of months not hours.

The health benefits of resetting genes might be months, might be years, might be decades.  I cannot feel these things in the time frame I can test a food.


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I agree with C_Sharp.  The blood type diet is winning for me.  I have been doing it for years.  Every time I slip into the Genotype diet, I get confused, for lack of a better word.  I like the BTD because I have freedom within limits.  My limits on the Genotype diet are too broad.  There are some things on it which I can easily overeat.  It may not be that way for everybody.

What got me thinking about mixing the two systems is some of the post on Facebook where people seem to be mixing them.  I just wanted to make sure that maybe things hadn't changed and I missed something.

Thanks to all of you and I will carry on with my O nonnie diet.

m.


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The people who are "mixing them" are probably people who have SWAMI. Alternatively, there are people who will choose to combine them in various ways. It would not be unreasonable to follow BTD, but if a food is neutral on BTD but beneficial on GTD, consider that food beneficial. Or there might be people who are easing into this way of eating, and for now are only cutting out those foods that are definitely an "avoid" in both systems. Trying to avoid the "avoids" for both systems will leave you with very little to eat, which isn't healthy either.

That can get very complex and confusing very quickly. I suggest you pick one plan and stick with it. Since you're a non-secretor, I suggest BTD.


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There's another "option":

When I first read The Genotype Diet in 2008, I wasn't sure what to make of it, having been familiar with and using the Blood Type Diet for a dozen years already, and happy with it. I set the book aside and thought about it, wondering what to do.

Toward the end of that year, I began an Ayurvedic diet, and I chose to tweak it using both of Dr. D'Adamo's systems where possible - In other words, once I determined my Ayurvedic pantry, I favored the ingredients best for Bs and Nomads over the ones not permitted either.
Suffice it to say that, even though it wasn't meant to be a "weight loss" diet, I lost 17 lbs. in about 3 mos.

The bonus was that I taught myself to cook my favorite cuisine: Indian.

There are many ways to use Dr. D'Adamo's work. Make it your own.  


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one's body tells you if you are on the right track, listen to own body, and how physiology is functioning and how one is feeling.  btd and gt both have some good points for me, especially the vegetables/fruits, and I need to avoid nightshades - I sure know when I have eaten some wrong foods, a couple years ago, somoeone cooked and offered me tofu in a spicy tomato sauce with cayenne and chillies, the next day my back was in a lot of pain - ate mint and fresh coriander(cilantro) to reduce the pain at the time, think the kidneys/adrenals reacted to that food/meal.  tofu is ok in small quantities for me, but definitely not with tomatoes and chillies - that was overload, so the body does speak to us if we listen.
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Quoted from aussielady582
so the body does speak to us if we listen.


Mine is asking for a pepperoni and ham pizza.

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awesome... do you prefer spelt or ricepizza ....

ahem ok my Swami recommendations are nearly the same as my BTD recommendations were- are ... so I feel safe


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Quoted from Lloyd


Mine is asking for a pepperoni and ham pizza.



Lloyd!!! NOT!!!!  

I can't even begin to think of putting such c**p in my system anymore!!!!    

You have to be joking!!!!  
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Quoted from Lloyd


Mine is asking for a pepperoni and ham pizza.



That's not your body. That's your mind. That kind of desire is definitely a WANT, not a NEED. If you've got strong "messages" like that, then you're not in tune with what your body is actually saying.


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That's not your body. That's your mind. That kind of desire is definitely a WANT, not a NEED. If you've got strong "messages" like that, then you're not in tune with what your body is actually saying.


I think he's joking... I hope he is!  Lloyd has always been a stellar example on these forums for me.
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It's SWAMI all the way for me.  Took awhile to transfer over from BTD.. but I was never doing the BTD perfectly anyway...

I always want to follow the latest science and discoveries so I'm happy with Swami.  I like how I can edit it as I heal and so far it's been RIGHT ON as far as what foods are good for me and which ones are not!
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That's not your body. That's your mind. That kind of desire is definitely a WANT, not a NEED. If you've got strong "messages" like that, then you're not in tune with what your body is actually saying.


No, it's clearly a need.  

While some things can be correctly judged by reaction over the short term, there is ample room for misjudgment as well.

How many times have you heard that something is a detox reaction when the results are not what one anticipates or wants? Or is the body saying that something is wrong? How do you know the difference?

Many of the diet principles (especially in GTD) play out over the long term. If you think your body is telling you something it may just be "I don't feel so good today" and not "changing my diet really screwed me up". On the other side, many O's feel great as vegetarians for long periods of time. Especially the first couple of weeks when "our body is telling us something".

If you want to follow a diet, follow it. If you want to combine the type O diet with Ayurveda will it improve the diet? How about if you modify if for another valid diet, vegan? Or how about Weight Watchers? Hi carb?

Everyone can do whatever they choose to do. It is possible it would work better than a straight BTD or SWAMI. I wouldn't encourage random changes based on feelings though.

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this remembers be the stay in 2005 while attending the first seminar with P.D. I looked extremely   when I was asked to join for a visit in a  Pizza Hat to change once upon the times our lunch the lady was an O
nonnie if I remember it well ... it was sooo funny but hey we made it.... and none of us has had any problems later....

I think this goes under: ok realy very occasinally and rarely ....


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Quoted from ruthiegirl: That's not your body. That's your mind. That kind of desire is definitely a WANT, not a NEED. If you've got strong "messages" like that, then you're not in tune with what your body is actually saying.

Quoted from Lloyd: No, it's clearly a need.  While some things can be correctly judged by reaction over the short term, there is ample room for misjudgment as well. How many times have you heard that something is a detox reaction when the results are not what one anticipates or wants? Or is the body saying that something is wrong? How do you know the difference?


I like both perspectives. Food for thought.  


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I like both perspectives. Food for thought.  




Here's more food for thought:

The other week I ate out for the first time in many months. The food order was out of my control. Among the things I ate was a steak which I had carefully scraped off as much of the sauce as possible.

Later that evening I had indigestion. Was it the sauce? Or was it something else? I know reasonably well from past experience over a long period of time and trials that wheat can give me reflux and there is some data that supports that view. The view may be incorrect but it is reasonable. Still, I don't know if the (tiny amount of) sauce was what the problem was that evening and I will never know. It could have been other things and may not have had anything to do with that meal - as convenient as it was to place the blame there.
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I remember once loving pizza.  Now the smell of it makes me want to gag.  There was a turning point
when I knew I was past wanting foods that would damage my gut.  My mind and gut brain seem to be in sync.  If my gut finds a food intolerable, so does my mind. So does my sense of taste and smell.
Sugar is too sweet and the other night, I tasted a flourless chocolate cake that everyone at our table
ate in large quantities and a dime size piece was more than enough for me.

I can't really think of one food I'd want even if I knew my body wouldn't reject it.

OK, maybe fried chicken....but chicken is a neutral and I can probably figure out a way to make it compliantly tasty by baking organic chicken with a gluten free crumb topping.  Still, in the end, would rather enjoy a big bowl of black bean soup which gives me all beneficial ingredients.

Yet there is something to be said about craving a healthy toxic food....because as much as each time you change
SWAMI to focus on different functions such as AGEs or methylation, your foods will change categories...so perhaps clear, strong food cravings can become a message from the body.  Just not sure if a person is supposed to indulge without knowing if they're doing themselves harm or good.


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I hadn't had pizza in 15 years and while I was visiting my son down South a neighbor went way out of her way to find some gluten free pizzas to eat.  What I did like and have had again on occasion was a pizza from a company in VT (I was in Louisiana eating pizza from VT and I live in New England) called Against the Grain.  The one that I had was a white pizza with basil and it was delicious.  There were a few different kinds of cheeses on it, some of which were not compliant but all in all, it was a pretty good choice and it was delightful to have pizza again.  
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Yet there is something to be said about craving a healthy toxic food....because as much as each time you change SWAMI to focus on different functions such as AGEs or methylation, your foods will change categories...so perhaps clear, strong food cravings can become a message from the body.  Just not sure if a person is supposed to indulge without knowing if they're doing themselves harm or good.


The indulgence is entirely up to the individual.

SWAMI will never be exactly perfect and it's still the best we have. The thing is always going to be what your chosen level of compliance is and what approach you want to take with deviation, and knowing that you are deviating. For me carrots keep moving back and forth between neutral and black dot. I eat carrots so rarely that I just don't worry about it when I do, knowing that it might be a black dot at that time or not. If it was a more frequent thing I might view it differently.
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I hadn't had pizza in 15 years and while I was visiting my son down South a neighbor went way out of her way to find some gluten free pizzas to eat.  What I did like and have had again on occasion was a pizza from a company in VT (I was in Louisiana eating pizza from VT and I live in New England) called Against the Grain.  The one that I had was a white pizza with basil and it was delicious.  There were a few different kinds of cheeses on it, some of which were not compliant but all in all, it was a pretty good choice and it was delightful to have pizza again.  


Sometimes just finding the closest mostly compliant option is satisfying enough.  I felt that way when I found really good tasting (mostly) compliant gluten free bagels.  It enabled me to blend in
when eating with others who were eating wheat bagels.  By spreading on Greek yogurt to sub for cream cheese and using a preservative free all natural "lox" from a local smokehouse, although I was eating smoked food which I rarely if ever eat, I came seriously close to having the great satisfaction of enjoying a bagel with cream cheese and lox.  But still, not a food combo I'm craving.  I just like to find "good enough" solutions.



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Wheat is a neutral and mozzarella is a dot, so pizza is very doable for me.  
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