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Hassanna
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Hello -
I'm trying to understand why pork is on everyone's avoid list?  What is it about pork that is causing this?

I live in Hawaii and pork is a huge staple around here.  There are many hunters who hunt free range wild boar, in addition to many farmers that raise their own pig for consumption.

I'm having a difficult time explaining why pork is on an avoid, even when it's free range/organic.
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Why should all types avoid pork?

Hog is very "A-like" immunologically, which makes it an avoid if you happen to have antibodies to the blood type A antigen, like type B's and O's do.

Paradoxically enough, hog also has an antibody (iso-hemmaglutinin) in its tissues which reacts to the A antigen, so it should be avoided for this reason by A's and AB's as well.



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I did read about parasites in pork and pork products. and perhaps the fat is too acidic for the body, especially in people who already have disease processes in their system. I often ate bacon or ham steaks up until my thirties, diet was not balanced as I did not eat much red meat then, or fish, or enough vegetables.
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Thanks Lola.  A friend was thinking that pork was on the avoid list because of how crazy factory farming is with pigs.  I was trying to recall why it did not work with all blood types, so your information was quite helpful.  

Aussielady582 - I don't doubt that pork and pork products have parasites.  I have read that most complex proteins (meat) are acidic forming in the muscle tissues.  

Thanks for your inputs.
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the acid/alkaline issue is also BT specific, so best not to generalize


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Hassanna
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Thanks for that input Lola.  Do you possibly have a link that could direct me to that information?

I was under the impression that complex meat proteins are acid forming in the muscle tissue and that type O typically thrive on having their muscles on the acidic side and the opposite is true for type A's.  I could have very well misinterpreted what I read.  I always appreciate being corrected and shown where I can read more on the subject.  
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Quoted from Hassanna

I was under the impression that complex meat proteins are acid forming in the muscle tissue and that type O typically thrive on having their muscles on the acidic side and the opposite is true for type A's.  


Be very careful about judging a food on one quality. All foods are rated a combination of factors, some of which are weighted more than others.

It's great to say a food is good or bad because of thus-and-so, but the fact is it will have other factors to consider as well. Justifying a view based on a narrow interpretation may lead to problems in many areas of life.
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It is entirely too good tasting and fatty to be healthy!
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I know it is hard to understand that, but some common foods are bad for most people. In the grain department, it is wheat, surely one of the US staples.
As for pork, I remember a person from Poland asking about it, too. It is hard to give up certain common foods.  Most of us have to do it. I find it hard not to crave potatoes, another US staple. I find that now I can eat them occasionally, so I cheat when traveling or eating out now. I didn't do that for a few years, but recently started & see no outward problems (as I do with other avoids!).

Some of the folks here eat pork occasionally. If you feel you must, we understand!


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perhaps is this fact about hog or porc intake of hawaian people and being A's the culprit for obesity tendencies ...


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Quoted from Amazone I.
perhaps is this fact about hog or porc intake of hawaian people and being A's the culprit for obesity tendencies ...

Overweight can be, at least partially, due to any avoid lectin in your diet...

Pork, any of the avoid tropical fruits, a high starch diet, etc... can all be contributors...


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Quoted from ABJoe

Overweight can be, at least partially, due to any avoid lectin in your diet...

Pork, any of the avoid tropical fruits, a high starch diet, etc... can all be contributors...


I totally agree with ABjoe on this one.  The amount of processed foods is also out of control over here.  The education level is very low and poverty levels are very high; not a good combo    

I've been doing my best to slowly educate them on the BTD; giving little mini talks on the basics, offering the blood typing kits for a reasonable price and having them purchase a blood type specific pocket book so they can begin the journey.  The overall responses have been very positive.  I love the feelings of excitement I get as feedback from my community.  I also love when they approach me in town to tell me how much better they are feeling, how their glycemic counts have gone down or how much weight they have lost.  

Hence the reason I have been asking so many questions on these forums.  I appreciate all of your guys' valuable feedback.    
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I would think wild hog would be better for a person than a cheaply raised farm one. I have eaten wild hog on occassion and it is much more tasty and leaner.  It is never all or none, if you are in good health and it causes no apparent issues, eating it on occassion is not bad.  I grew up eating fried pork chops and devoured them, now it know it is not good for anyone, so i minimize it, but will help myself if someone serves it at a gathering.  If you are healing, then stay away from it completely.
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Hasanna, I was wondering recently exactly the same as you! Here pork products as in ham, sausages and bacon are staples for many many people, as well as wheat in breads and baked products...so no wonder the obesity problem is increasing so much.

While thankfully I never ate pork in any form I, like you, have found it difficult to explain to people exactly why it is so much of an avoid. I presume the religious and cultural reasons for not consuming pork are valid...but now we also know the nutritional reasons!
many thanks everyone  


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One very cool thing about pork as a research object is:
You've got large and genetically diverse populations that systematically avoid it.

Look for studies amongst moslems; see if they are free of all the ailments/ conditions that are supposed to be rife amongst pork- eaters.

Compare the health profiles of Jews who eat pork with Jews who do not. Ought to be interesting.


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I don't know if you'll find a lot of health improvements simply by the avoidance of one food. Jews who don't eat pork includes Jews who fully keep kosher as well as those who simply avoid pork or avoid pork and shellfish but don't worry about mixing milk and meat. MANY kosher Jews eat all kinds of crappy foods such as "coffee whitener" instead of cow's milk, processed vegetable oils instead of butter, and highly processed soy-based (usually GMO) meat analogues to have with dairy meals.

I'm sure there are Jews who don't keep kosher but do eat organic and natural foods who are healthier than some others who eat kosher processed foods.


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Quoted from ruthiegirl
I don't know if you'll find a lot of health improvements simply by the avoidance of one food. Jews who don't eat pork includes Jews who fully keep kosher as well as those who simply avoid pork or avoid pork and shellfish but don't worry about mixing milk and meat. MANY kosher Jews eat all kinds of crappy foods such as "coffee whitener" instead of cow's milk, processed vegetable oils instead of butter, and highly processed soy-based (usually GMO) meat analogues to have with dairy meals.

I'm sure there are Jews who don't keep kosher but do eat organic and natural foods who are healthier than some others who eat kosher processed foods.


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What you have shown is the difficulty in trial design. Depending on what you are looking to show can drastically change the design and control features.
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Hi Hassanna. I was under the impression from reading the books that we all have a allergic reaction when we consume pork. Pork here in Cyprus is the number 1 eaten meat. All the traditional Cyprus cuisines can only be made with pork, no substitutes. Just my luck lol. If you saw how they were raised though, that would quickly put you off consuming them.


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Actually pork in LRT is only a tier 2 avoid for B secretors.

I do pretty good with pork far better than chicken
AND I must admit that I eat bacon and small amounts of pastured organic pork  
that I buy form a local small farmer . Good bacon is just amazing  

I find it totally impossible to avoid totally  but would never ever eat pork products from conventional big farms


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I find it really hard to believe that there are "no substitutes." Maybe you can't find pork-free dishes in restaurants, and maybe it's hard to find other meats in grocery stores, but I've had lots of experience with substitutions in recipes. Lamb or veal should work in any recipe calling for pork. Turkey or chicken would work as well, though the taste and texture may change more by switching to poultry than by switching to another kind of red meat.


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Heavily seasoned foods shouldn't suffer dramatically from a select protien switch. I had to re-learn a lot of cooking with this diet, but texture and compliant sesonings were the biggest challange. Dishes may become non-traditional, but they can still be delicious.


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