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Victoria
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Sometimes during periodic cleansing of the body (due to a lighter, more digestible diet, right for your type), the bladder can become irritated.  This can contribute to the urge to go, whereas before you might have been able to hold it until morning.



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Great!
I have tried without salad and miso for dinner and I have slept all the night
So I will have to eat them for lunch  

Thanks to all
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Jaff77,  I like to know what you are eating for dinner then.

I have same problem with loosing weight and waking up at night.
I follow Swami and eating same type of food as you do.
I have a problem selecting food for dinner.
Eating fish is not easy to digest.
I eat egg and cheese at breakfast and fish and cooked vegetable at lunch.
I eat salad, lentil, almond and peanut for dinner and very comfortable except waking upon a couple times.
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I never get up at night whether I feel the need to or not. For me, it gets to be a habit really quickly, so I simply don't do it. I go back to sleep with no problems.


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I never get up at night whether I feel the need to or not. For me, it gets to be a habit really quickly, so I simply don't do it. I go back to sleep with no problems.


My approach is similar to yours, Spring.  Most of the time, I can change position and the need to empty the bladder goes away.  Sometimes, it is caused by *movement* in the colon that puts pressure on the bladder in certain positions.  But if it truly disturbs my sleep, I'll get up.  That only happens once every few months, however.



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Jaff77,  I like to know what you are eating for dinner then.

I have same problem with loosing weight and waking up at night.
I follow Swami and eating same type of food as you do.
I have a problem selecting food for dinner.
Eating fish is not easy to digest.
I eat egg and cheese at breakfast and fish and cooked vegetable at lunch.
I eat salad, lentil, almond and peanut for dinner and very comfortable except waking upon a couple times.


My dinner is very simple:

some cereal (mainly brown rice), vegetables (boiled or wok), protein (tofu, fish or chicken) and a soy iogurt with fruit

No salad, no soup and no infusion for sleeping all the night  
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With me it's directly related to the amount of coffee I drink. Two cups during the day, no problem. I get up maybe once but not always. 3 cups and I have to get up at night several times.


That would be on interesting test!!   I will do..  

(and yes it is not the caffeine we can get that from other drinks)

The other thing I would also do and see great results..as I did years ago..

Drinking Peppermint tea for at least 6 weeks.. It is a medicinal drink, so may not be needed for ever, but then again why not try it/ it seems to strengthen the bladder itself..   I ought to try it again and report in 6 weeks..

On my Swami it is a super food. Not Diamond so the above would be right try it for lets say 2 month.. then stop or lessen...  (ha taking my own advise???  hahaha)


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I have always had this problem throughout my life . It hasn't changed even with being on SWAMI. And if I do something different, it's always going less during the day, and ALWAYS going at night. $%*&%^^&^(!!! Explorer physique..........


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I have always had this problem throughout my life . It hasn't changed even with being on SWAMI. And if I do something different, it's always going less during the day, and ALWAYS going at night. $%*&%^^&^(!!! Explorer physique..........


Yes...

But try the peppermint tea for 6 weeks at least it lengthened the time for 45 min to 90 min...  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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I followed jaff77dinner pattern and it works. Thanks.

I am prediabetic so no grain but winter squash, broccoli, avocado and tempeh makes a good dinner.
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I never get up at night whether I feel the need to or not. For me, it gets to be a habit really quickly, so I simply don't do it. I go back to sleep with no problems.


Thank you for sharing this Spring!  I read it a few days ago and thought it can't be that easy. Well, the last two nights - it was that easy!  
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I never get up at night whether I feel the need to or not. For me, it gets to be a habit really quickly, so I simply don't do it. I go back to sleep with no problems.


The idea that this is a 'habit' is enormous.

I have some diapers pants (from when someone needed them) I am going to try this.. By wearing them I can have a leakage and not worry much about it.. I will experiment with just not getting up.. It might be a most important experience, not to give in to the 'need' to get up.  

I have often wondered when it is time to switch to pull-ups (or pads).  I know that mom had some issues leaving her house for any length of time, because of fear that she may lose control...  little did she know that she was getting colon cancer. Little did we, her daughters, think of WHY she stayed home more and more.

Looking back 15-20 years later.. I think she and we overlooked so much.  I have no idea what we could have done, but incontinence, even only occasionally, should be investigated.  AND even when it is declared 'we found nothing' that should not be 'believed'.  Something, something, something is going on.   While  not lifesaving / life threatening, it is a loss of freedom for those affected.

For instance, taking a waterpill makes it a must to stay home for at least 4 hours. All medications impact timing of this or that. Elderly people who take many meds may have issues --- that we and Doctors nearly never talk about---.

I am 'elderly' I am near 70, nearly on old lady, but do not think of me that way, yet might it be time to rethink ME?  I do not take,  by personal choice, many pills by choice, yet some things I do may be just as much 'life-style changing' as if it was a pill.  Like certain foods or drinks might cause different timing to visit bathrooms, like coffee in the morning, could all those things also require a little considerations?

Here is the question: is it (possibly) a habit, or can the habit be changed?

Spring ..thanks for your words above... Maybe your youth makes you able to go back to sleep, while 'I' respond instantly to any need to pee all day long -for fear of leakage..  

Could it all just be a fear response habit??? (my gosh could alcohol drinking 'habits' start as innocently as well???? or cigarette smoking for fear of feeling awkward????  Habits...  wow.. (and first I read your response above and thought.. youth will be thought later in life! hahaha                


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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I used to pee in a male urinal, so technically I didn't get up to pee.  But I don't dare to use it with the new dog around.  I don't want to think about what he might do to it.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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wof wof.. Be to funny..

But seriosly I tried the pullups and added a pad.. .. I forced my self to wait to respond to the need of getting up all the time.. IT was mind blowing.. and yet I think I slept deeper and more at rest..took effort,

but I could see that the mind might have controlled my previous behavior..

I will keep trying this.. whole new idea about constant peeing is a fear reaction...



I tried the same this morning hours .. I was able to use the pee muscles and postpone going three times, even though I drank 3 glasses of liquid.. !!
No doubt without the depends and a pad, I would never have trusted me at all.

I am retraining my mind and muscles.  

A day later.. It was reassuring during the day, and worth a try, it affected my thinking responses more then imaginable in such a short time.. worth a try..  


Day three... Mind over matter, matters in fearful addictions and behavior.  Yes since I gave in to trying security in this my mind has gone to rest.. I still can have a leak problem, but now I lost the fear.  I am not stimulating my what was a constant preoccupation abouto I or don't I need to pee? My muscle reactions have diminished and seem to have been activated by my fear/by my brain.

This has been a fast 3 days to alleviate addiction to a habit.  The problem of leakage is still one I will now follow through with a proper medical examination, and see what happened during my hip surgery, where this started, or if it is aging and diabetes that creates leakage issues.

Thank you for unearthing yet another look at Habit Forming Behavior.


      


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!

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I do believe getting up to pee can become a habit because I do feel the urge around 3, 4 am that I could drag myself out of bed to pee, but I don't. I manage to feel the pressure but still can go back to sleep...
and even when I'm officially awake around 7:30 and do go straight to the bathroom,
it's not a feeling of urgency. So I do get past the feeling and keep on sleeping.

But I also do rebounding which sort of forces me to "hold it in" so in essence I'm strengthening
pelvic floor muscles while bouncing.

   There were times when I had no choice BUT to get out of bed and get to the bathroom, but lately that doesn't happen.  I'm not getting younger....Goldie, I'm older than you are but I think
this becomes an issue of weak muscles that need to be strengthened.

Kegel exercises help strengthen the pelvic floor which could help you learn to "hold it"
a lot longer.

http://www.webmd.com/urinary-i.....s-for-pelvic-muscles


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I like the idea of going to bed with depends.  I may try it.

I try to make sure that I pee before I go upstairs to bed.  And sometimes I just roll over and try to find a new position.  But every once in a while I have a dream where I'm feeling that wonderful feeling of relieving myself.  No matter how nice the dream, I immediately wake myself up.  I also worry that it might happen in a much deeper sleep.

I also have a female urinal in my closet which I use if I really think I can't get downstairs in time.


Related:  I read somewhere that one should drink one glass (8 oz.) of water immediately before retiring.  It's supposed to help the kidneys, since they are at the same level as the rest of the body.
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Spring ..thanks for your words above... Maybe your youth makes you able to go back to sleep

Ahhh, what a nice compliment, Goldie, but I will never, never see seventy again!


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Drinking before going to sleep or during the night is a great idea... I do not see more 'time issues, but I see more output, a good thing... at least make it worth it.. and by more output one does drop weight..  at least that is what they say.  

As for Depends pullups.. well the hip pressure made the leg cramps worse.. .. I have no issue getting awake and getting up.. I have done so all my life.. BUT trying Depends for a day - really calmed my mind- and gave me relieve from FEAR, which I think was a big issue since childhood.. I once had to stand for on hour and peed my pants.. no wonder I was scared all my life!!  I recommend bedweters be treated to pullups so that the embarrassment factor is done with... it is all like a broken arm.. fix it and be done with it.... so long as you where checked by a doctor just to make sure..    

Yet (honestly) adding a small pad recently has given me a great deal of security.  Much nicer then 'running' -- ok, so I have another one in my pocket...  
    I am so darn graphic just to make this subject 'available for review'.. and this review is not for woman alone.. men have issues too.

It is miserable to experience, and embarrassing to buy such things.. (now I can order the pantyliners 'on line' along with my grocery order from Shoprite.. get it all delivered to my house..


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!

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