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Jasmina
Thursday, May 23, 2013, 7:46am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I had a car accident about a year and a half ago and had to be hospitalized with hip join replacement. During that year I gained 9 pound due to not being able to get out of bed. After I was able to return to my normal lifestyle, the pounds started melting away slowly and I lost 3 pounds in 2 months.

A friend of mine recommended this book and I bought it. At a first glance when I checked this website something seemed to be off: the way a type O personality is described does not fit me at all (except maybe for having enough energy to do what I need). I'm not an organized person at all, I'm happier with flexibility rather than rules, I don't recall ever being tempted to engage in risky or impulsive behavior and I very rarely get angry and when I do it's mostly a calm "passive aggressive" anger.

I was thrown off for a moment then I thought: this is not a personality test, it's a lifestyle and nutrition book. I should give it a try.

First of all let me tell you about myself. I'm a 54 year old happily married woman, 5'6 and 146 pounds. I'm considered very healthy for my age and I don't consume any kind of "pills" for any kind of ailment or irregularity. I don't like working out but the nature of my job involves a lot of heavy lifting and moving around.

I've been a semi-vegetarian for as long as I can remember. Even as a child I really disliked the taste and smell of meat (except for the occasional grilled chicken breast). Our dinners always had meat but I just opted for whole grains especially wheat (not because of any health advertising, but because I loved the taste), beans, some starches, dairy (especially plain yogurt) and veggies. By widespread standards, my regular diet was the epitome of good health without even making an effort, but according to this book I'm doing it all wrong.

I decided to give it a try regardless. I still had 6 pounds to lose and I was curious if I had been missing on a good thing. I followed the recommendations in the book religiously! First month felt awful. I thought to myself I'll just get used to it with time, maybe my body is still adjusting to the change. I started having recurring headaches, although I rarely had them before. I felt sluggish and queasy. I was unhappy with having to give up everything I love and force down everything I hate. I started having bad cases of constipation when I used to go 2-3 times a day before I started this. Though unhappy, I held to it for about four months (during which I never got used to the stench of meat). To top it all, I had gained 5 more pounds. About 4 months into it I had my annual blood test, and what do you know! For the first time in my life I had elevated cholesterol!

Before writing about it here, I had to make sure the negative changes really were caused by the change of diet. I stopped following the plan and went back to my usual diet and lifestyle. It's been a month and a half now and I'm feeling great! I've already lost 2 pounds, headaches are gone, my toilet trips are back to normal and it feels great to have my energy and the foods I love back. I asked my doctor for a lipid panel test, and that too has itched down quite a few degrees. 2 more points and I will be in the normal range again.

I don't regret buying the book, as it's taught me something important: no diet works for everyone. What works best is listening to your body attentively and observing how it reacts to different things, then adjusting your lifestyle accordingly.
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Hi Jasmina, just wondering - are you 100% sure you are an O?
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Hi Jasmina I suspect you are an explorer and that geno diet would have been better for you . I suspect you have have a liver issue and perhaps this is why you went down the vegetarian route. I also would guess you are a non secretor. I have come across people with a similar story that once corrected works really well for them but it does take time.

one thing to note having regular soft bowel movements may be easier for you but it is not a sign of health necessarily it is usually a sign of too much fructose. which can be another problem with explorers sometimes.


Of course the other thing is you might be a blood type A have you had the blood test done recently and if you did it yourself perhaps you could email me a picture as again i have come across an awful lot of people who read it wrong, just saying.

obviously there is also the possibility you are an anomaly or you are actually Dr Mercola as Dr D diets work for more people than any other diet i have come across. kind regards


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Jasmina
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As I mentioned before, I had to undergo a joint replacement surgery, so my blood type is 100% accurate O positive. I don't usually have soft bowels, I just go regularly (1-3 times a day depending on how much I ate the day before). With this diet it was horrible. I barely went once every 3-4 days with a lot of effort.

As for being a semi vegetarian, I've been so every since I could remember. My mother says even as a toddler when they started feeding me meat I used to spit it out. I do have meat occasionally, but only if it's lean and highly disguised with herbs, garlic and salsa.

I don't think I have any liver issues, since I get full checkups every year and something would have turned up, but who knows. I might need to look into it.

Could you elaborate about geno diet? I haven't needed to go on diets before. Who is Dr Mercola? Sorry I'm not that well informed in this area, I'm just exploring around for things to try. I'm getting older and I just want to make sure that I'm doing the right thing to stay healthy as I age. Having a close brush with death made me realize how precious life is and being bed-bound made me want to make sure I stay healthy as I age.
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the Geno diet is more focused it takes into account some additional things in addition to your blood type. http://www.dadamo.com/media/gtd.htm

there are some blood type o's for example that can and need to eat more red meat they fit into the "hunter" category and some O's for example that do better eating less red meat, they still need to eat some though. these are know as explorer and have a tendency towards having liver issues (this is a very simplistic version of what Dr D has spent years fine tuning.

and then there is the swami diet it is totally individual and takes account of many things that are personal to one person. http://www.dadamo.com/media/swami.htm

All Dr D's suggested ways of eating (Diets) are great but Swami is the ultimate one and the one my daughter, my partner and i use.

when i say diet i refer more to a different way of eating rather than losing weight.

The mercola comment was attempt at honour, he is a doctor that blames everyone else for his health that he can't make money from.

hope that helps a bit. kind regards


Kind Regards PC. FIfHI Swami III Pro

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Welcome Jasmina:

Which diet is best for you:

http://www.dadamo.com/which_diet_is_right.htm

Glad that you gave Blood Type Diet a sincere try. Sorry that it did not work well for you. As you noted no diet works for 100% of people.  As Dr. D. has done research over the last 20 years he has investigated why it does not work for some people and has worked on developing alternate diet systems that will meet the needs of an even greater percentage of the population.


MIfHI                            I follow a SWAMI diet.
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Jasmina
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After the quiz it says genotype diet is better for me. I will have to look into that.
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If you are an explorer you may find your skin clears being less porous if you eat the correct way and detox more.

when i dealt with a similar (possibly) case the girl in question became very constipated, but with the correct supplement and additional magnesium in her case. with in 3 months she became a different person. less moody, she stopped sweating heavily, in her case even her hair became luxurious as she put it. turned out that corn was a big issue with her in particular.

she found she then ate less rubbish including sweets and lost a load of weight, she also felt more energetic and started walking everywhere instead of driving. after a few years she looked ten years younger. it was almost as if her life clock just stopped and she remains the same age lol weird but true.


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welcome to the Geno type amazeballs


Kind Regards PC. FIfHI Swami III Pro

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Quoted from Jasmina
After the quiz it says genotype diet is better for me. I will have to look into that.


While you are considering different diet options, I wanted to at least mention SWAMI.

This is a computerized generated diet program. That customizes diets to the individual.

More info on SWAMI is here:

http://www.dadamo.com/media/swami.htm

I do not want to say do this instead of GenoType, but I thought if it was more appealing to you then GenoType, you might not want to spend several months on GenoType and then be told, oh you really should be doing SWAMI instead.

I hesitate to add more confusion to the diet choice, but thought you might want to consider it now rather than after the GenoType diet.

SWAMI sort of blends Blood Type and GenoType as well as considering more factors.  In your case, I am a little hesitant to mix in the Blood Type diet since you did so poorly with it.



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Hmm-- sometimes things take time to work themselves out-- as much as three to six months.

I would like to hear exactly what you ate on a daily basis. I have found that O people often misunderstand the type of meat and how much they need to eat.


O's by nature tend to have higher cholesterol maybe yours was too low and was adjusting by the change in your diet? hard to know the answers  the  meat needs to be  grass fed--not the same as organic which is still corn fed.

The acorn pile( the vegetables) is always the largest portion in all the diets.

Getting a secretor test may help figure it out as well.
  

Might want to take a Myers-Briggs test for personality testing.  

My experience has been that people match the blood type personality data pretty well-- some say they do not--- but once that start eating correctly they seem to change, brain chemistry is what I suspect. The personality types related to blood types  have a long history in asian culture.  The Myers Briggs testing is fun test to take many here have done it some have it in their avatar.




Good luck on your journey--




MIFHI

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Notes on Secretor status, in case unfamiliar:

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For many people, knowing their ABO blood type and following the basic ABO diets in Eat Right 4 Your Type works very well. However, some individuals may not derive maximum benefit from the Blood Type Diet until they first determine their Secretor Status. Knowing this information then allows for the use of the more specific diet lists included in the book Live Right 4 Your Type.

What is secretor status?

By now you are probably familiar with the concept that your ABO blood type is controlled by your genetics, just as are your hair or eye color. The gene coding for your blood type lies on chromosome 9q34. However, other separate genes on chromosome 11 and 19 actually interact with your blood type gene, determining your ability to secrete your ABO blood type antigens into your body fluids and secretions. This is called the secretor gene, and by testing for this gene we can determine whether you are a secretor or non-secretor.

In the genetics of the secretor system two options exist. A person can be either a secretor (Se) or a non-secretor (se). This is completely independent of whether you are a blood type A, B, AB, or O. Thus a person could be an A secretor or an A non-secretor, a B secretor or a B non-secretor, etc.

Secretors: In a simplified sense, a secretor is defined as a person who secretes their blood type antigens into body fluids and secretions like the saliva in your mouth, the mucus in your digestive tract and respiratory cavities, etc.

Non-Secretors: A non-secretor on the other hand puts little to none of their blood type into these same fluids.

As a general rule, in the US about 15-20% of the population are non-secretors with the remaining 80-85% being secretors. Aside from the physical implications centering around whether you have blood type antigens in your body fluids or not, the secretor genetics have additional significance through the effects of gene linkage: In other words, the outcome of your secretor genetics 'links' to other seemingly unrelated genes and influences their function.

Your secretor status drastically alters the carbohydrates present in your body fluids and secretions in addition to several important aspects of your metabolism and resistance. These factors include the activity of an enzyme called intestinal alkaline phosphatase, the overall composition of bacteria in your intestinal ecosystem, your propensities toward blood clotting, your level of carbohydrate tolerance, and your resistance to certain parasites and yeast.

In addition to allowing important diet refinements, knowing your secretor status can help you use nutritional supplements more effectively and intelligently and add to your awareness of illness and metabolic dysfunction you may be prone to because of your secretor genetics.

Previously, Secretor status could only be determined by select labs using sophisticated forensic techniques. Now North American Pharmacal (NAP) has made available this important test directly available to the general public using a simple blood-based test kit to perform the determination.

We've gathered a few resources here to help you work on determining and using your secretor status


Test kit:

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=TE002


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Some Os just require little meat. I do well on a lot of it, but I am a unique person just like you are!
The real baddies for Os are wheat, dairy, corn, etc. Then there are other individual things that we all have to figure out.
Try eating more brown rice. It is a good base for many recipes.  I also tended to constipation, but dairy was the worst food for it, which I avoided for years before even hearing of BTD.  I had eaten a lot of whole wheat in my 30s & 40s & felt fine, but after now avoiding it for years, I react when eating it.

Keep figuring out what to do. It takes time & this group will be very helpful!


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Jasmina
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Thank you all for the support and replies. I think I might go the GenoType route, as I don't currently live in the US. If things still don't work out for me, well, at least I know I've made effort. This is more of an "exploring my options" rather than a real need for action. I'm not suffering from any health problems (apart from my hip still feeling weird, which my doctor says is normal) and I only need to lose 9 pounds. I simply want to leave no stone unturned in order to maintain my current quality of life for as long as possible.
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Welcome!

I don't put much stock into the blood type personality thing. Going by that alone, I would have assumed that me, Hannah, and Jack share a blood type while Leah was another, It turns out that Leah, Hannah, and I are all Os while Jack is a B. Maybe my oldest daughter is simply an exception and the rest of us fit out "blood type profiles" more accurately. I haven't really put much time or effort into studying the topic- but bear in mind that there will ALWAYS be some individuals who don't fit the mold.

I have no idea why you do so well on an "A diet" and so poorly on the "O diet" when you're 100% sure you're an O. The main point of "eating right for your type" is the individuality- dividing things up by bloodtype is just a stepping stone, and clearly it doesn't work for everybody. If it worked for everybody, Dr D would have stopped there, and he would have never developed the Genotype Diet or the SWAMI software.

Part of me wants to advise you "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and keep on doing what's been working for you all this time. But another part wonders if the lectins in whole wheat are doing hidden damage. I wonder how well you'd do if you continued eating the quantities of whole grains, beans, and meats that have been working for you for so long, but swapped out the individual foods for compliant ones. How would you do eating  rice, spelt, quinoa, millet, and sprouted wheat, but skipping the unsprouted wheat?


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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I currently live in a rural area at a country where agriculture is not heavily touched by civilization. It's a normal everyday scene to go out for a walk and see a shepherd and his dog leading around sheep and goats and his wife selling freshly acquired milk.

The type of wheat I'm fond of is a special type of semi cracked wheat that is processed differently. Basically, they harvest it young (still green) then it goes into a special fire room where all the straw is burnt away. Passing near the fire room is heavenly. The toasted smoky smell. Then this wheat is "rubbed" to remove the remaining straw. Makes a pilaf with a flavor out of this world.

Would young wheat have the same adverse effect as regular? Could I have been doing well because I've lived in a clean and healthy environment for the last 30 years to the point where it hides any bad effects my current diet is having on me?
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the smoking of the wheat might actually do more damage. smoked meats, fish ect should mainly be avoided.

if you are living in what i would describe (fondly) as a old land, where things are not commercialised then you have an advantage, but that advantage can be lost by smoking foods. soaking however or sprouting are better generally.

as people move about more their particular old ways are changed and they get sicker and sicker.

raw milk especially goats milk of you are used to it would be better than pasteurised or super heated milk i imagine.


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I have to wonder if the wheat you have access to is closer to spelt than it is to the modern wheat available in most supermarkets today.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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I have to wonder if the wheat you have access to is closer to spelt than it is to the modern wheat available in most supermarkets today.


sounds like it might be spelt or a relative of it.


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I might stick to buckwheat which happens to be neutral for me.  I was surprised to see it when I first got here, but it's actually not a wheat at all, it's more of a seed.
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I'm not sure what type of wheat we have, but it's grown locally. White flour is only available at shops. Most of the flour is processed locally into whole wheat flour which then is made into flatbread. Same goes for cow milk, only available at shops. But I find it tasteless compared to goat. Sheep milk is too rich for my taste though, it has a distinct smell and high fat content.
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Jasmina, you are assuming you are a secretor. which may not be correct so you may have be more careful with choices.

if a food on the food base is listed for neutral for both secretor and non secretor then you can assume it's okay. until you  get a secretor test i wouldn't assume anything.

if it gives you a sugar rush then I would avoid it.


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I'm not sure what type of wheat we have, but it's grown locally. White flour is only available at shops. Most of the flour is processed locally into whole wheat flour which then is made into flatbread. Same goes for cow milk, only available at shops. But I find it tasteless compared to goat. Sheep milk is too rich for my taste though, it has a distinct smell and high fat content.


that will be your body telling you not to eat the high fat milk then.

are you getting your lists of foods from the eat right for your type book or from this website here http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/typeindexer.htm ?


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Only from the book, I haven't really taken the time to check out everything in the website yet.
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Welcome, Jasmina.  Sorry that the diet made you feel worse.

You wrote:
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the way a type O personality is described does not fit me at all (except maybe for having enough energy to do what I need). I'm not an organized person at all, I'm happier with flexibility rather than rules, I don't recall ever being tempted to engage in risky or impulsive behavior and I very rarely get angry and when I do it's mostly a calm "passive aggressive" anger.
This is me, exactly.  But I did well on the type O BTD right away.  I could eat a one pound leg of lamb all by myself in one sitting, feel very energized afterwards, and the next day weigh 2lbs less.

We're all different.  Good luck!


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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