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kitari
Wednesday, May 1, 2013, 10:34pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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How do you do with your AVOIDS?  I find some are really easy to never eat...like
Wheat/Gluten.  It makes me feel so sick I never eat it...
and all these AVOIDS are easy for me to never eat:

Pork,Peanuts,Cashews,Brazil Nuts,Pistachios
Poppy Seeds,Sunflower Seeds,Most Beans
Cauliflower,Cucumber,Eggplant,Pickles,Rhubarb
Asian Pear,Blackberries,Cantaloupe,Coconut
Kiwi,Honeydew,Oranges,Tangerine,Coffee,Beer
Liquor,White Wine,Pop,Lentils,Olives,Dates,Soy
Soy Sauce,Malt,Honey,Maple Syrup,Stevia,Vinegar

But some are harder...the hardest for me to NEVER eat are:

Milk Products,Potatoes,Corn,Mayonaise,Mustard,Salad Dressing,Sugar...
and mildly hard are Apple Juice,Avocados,and Mushrooms.

I do pretty good and then I just cave.   I guess if they made me deathly
ill like gluten it would be easier.  But I don't notice much difference with
most of them.

How about you?  Have you been able to walk away from your avoids and never
go back?  How do you do it?

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I have eliminated white flour and products from, corn and products from, I traded sweet potatoes for other potatoes.
I have been swami ed so I can have 6-8 oz of milk or lf cottage cheese 0-3 X a week. I don't usually drink cow's milk, but will have the cottage cheese some weeks. I no longer eat pork,cashews, peanuts, brazil nuts, have pistachios maybe once every 6 months, won't have poppy seed, sunflower seeds, will have black beans some times, won't have kidney beans, cauliflower, cucumber, eggplant, pickles, rhubarb, Asian Pear, will have black berries , no cantaloupe, honeydew, oranges, tangerine, coffee, beer, white wine, pop, lentils, olives.  Will have dates sometimes, no soy,malt, but will have honey or maple syrup, stevia or vinegar at times, There are mushrooms I can have like portobello, have sometimes,

My hardest is peanut butter have it if I buy it.  I really try NOT to buy what I can't have, but sometimes it is hard, I understand.  My hardest thing is to remember what I can't have.  I gave up coffee and all pop in January this year. I enjoy seltzer water with pineapple juice in it. or another compliant juice or tea.  
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For me, it was learning to keep in my mind at all times, that these foods were poison.  Not just some, all of them.  It's been a hard long lesson to learn.

KK here, candy/junk food/dairy/wheat/100% avoids free for about three months now. The difficult part is exercising at the moment. I seriously injured my big toe and can barely stand to wear a shoe for any length of time.  Hopefully that will heal soon and I can get back to exercising.


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kitari
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Thanks for the feedback geminisue!  

I agree not bringing it home is the best way to avoid avoids.  I have housemates that buy and eat all my avoids so they are all over the house all the time and they are always offering me my past fav foods.  I seem to do best in the winter...but when there's a cookout with mayo and mustard to put on rice bun and burger I find it hard.  I am out more when the weather is warm and eat out with others more and dressing on my salad gets to me.  And an icecream...oh boy.  Just yesterday going by a place that makes wonderful icecream treats and everyone wanted some.  When I declined then no one wanted any and drove on by. party pooper!

Ha!  I am just feeling guilty.    But I really admire those that are able to avoid their bad foods all the time.  And it's nice to be able to whine a bit and know that someone won't stick a bowl of Dulce de Leche in my face and say, "It won't hurt you, really!"  

  
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kitari
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Kimonokat, that's a wonderful record for 100% avoid free.  I need to get the mind thing going for me...poison, poison, POISON!
I'm sorry about your toe.  I've done that before and was able to wear sandals before I could get back into my shoes.  I hope you heal quickly.
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It is harder to deal with the diet when everyone around you doesn't care, but you just have to be stronger than their temptations.  You have to make the decision to follow the diet and stick to it.  Otherwise, it is so many words and they will never take it serious.  I initially didn't care whether other family members followed the diet and did what I needed to do.  The hardest for me was to eat at company functions without getting sick.  I forgot that there was often cornmeal on the bottom of a pizza crust and 3 hours of wildly fluctuating temperature which finally taught me to stick to what I brought for lunch and let everyone else eat the "free lunch".


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kitari
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Thanks ABjoe.  You're right.  I've done well on the diet for about three years now but maybe because I feel so good I'm not as determined.  And others are so "thoughtful".   I was making some french fries so I brought you some! or, I was making a smoothie and there is so much here's a glass for you...(it tasted so good I had to find out what was in it, about a pint of ice cream and a cup of sugar)  

Here's hoping "the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem" is true.

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Quoted from kitari
How do you do with your AVOIDS?
This is about the principle, hardly a personal sharing.

Even when very hard to give them up, the avoids principle is a true great gift, of the greatest gifts, and the only solution (and eventually option) is to relate to it as such.

Obesity, ailments, cancer - all of these are mirroring of the mistaken proliferation principle according to which we have been accustomed to live in the last century - mistakenly accustomed. Instead of keep looking inwards, we have been accustomed to look outwards, say yes to greed and deem that we can have (eat) anything we lay eyes on: a big lie, and a tool in the hands of manufacturers and advertisers to draw our money out of our pockets.






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Quoted from kitari
How about you?  Have you been able to walk away from your avoids and never
go back?  How do you do it?
With endless patience and endless compassion.

Some hard-to-give-up I could cut cold turkey (like coffee), and some keep "sneaking" in (like E-202 = potassium sorbate), "hidden" in goat cheeses which I find in non-organic stores when I travel and become very hungry and have a strong craving for goat cheese. There are some ways to deal with this. They involve thinking and planning ahead, like carrying a cooler box with compliant deli's when travelling. What I often do is enter that store and conduct a hard talk with myself next to the shelf with the cheese containing the avoid E 202 ... a bit funny, but it works!  



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Quoted from kitari
Kimonokat, that's a wonderful record for 100% avoid free.  I need to get the mind thing going for me...poison, poison, POISON!
I'm sorry about your toe.  I've done that before and was able to wear sandals before I could get back into my shoes.  I hope you heal quickly.


I keep thinking about how far I've come in staying away from c**p.  I'm able to stand in a cashier line and not be as tempted as I would in the past.  In the past, I wouldn't be able to go through the line without buying something.  

I want to keep adding to that accumulator instead of falling off the 100% compliance wagon.  


Knowledge is power.  SWAMI gives you the diet that will unlock the key to better health, and it's all based on your unique individuality.
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Quoted from yaeli

Even when very hard to give them up, the avoids principle is a true great gift, of the greatest gifts, and the only solution (and eventually option) is to relate to it as such.


kitari, When you've "caved" recently, you'd merely given in to temptation. It sounds like you're making good progress, and you can expect your will to get stronger over time. You will lose interest  in them. The avoids are your enemy, but respect them knowing that the consequences of eating them may not be readily apparent. If it helps, regard the urges as "that naughty muse". It works for me.


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What gets me more than anything is that I crave lemon and grapefruit - both diamonds - and the reaction is almost immediate. I simply can't eat them. On the other hand, I could eat a brownie and only mildly notice anything at all. (I don't eat them though!) Another thing is I may as well have AVOID under a group called Restaurants!! I nearly ALWAYS react to something no matter how careful I am.

In spite of being lactose intolerant, there are some avoid cheeses that wouldn't bother me at all, at least that I would notice, others would drive me nuts if I ate one bite! Gouda and cheddar are the pits. The smelly cheeses I don't like and have never eaten if I could get out of it - all avoids. I have never known of cream cheese bothering me in the past, but it is an avoid, so I don't eat it. I get along well with cottage cheese, a superfood, but if I have it as my main protein for a meal, I will take lactase.

Yes, I can relate to the feeling that it would be wonderful if we reacted, noticeably, to anything that would be a serious threat to our health now and in the future!!


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kitari
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Thank you yaeli...so true about knowing what to avoid is a gift and not using it is greed on my part.  I also find the social aspect of food hard to deal with...being part of the group and not upsetting the norm.

Averno, thanks! Ha! My very naughty muse indeed!

Spring, thanks for sharing, I guess it's like knowing you can't touch a hot stove because you feel an immediate physical reaction...maybe I just need to carry a hammer and whack myself when I eat an avoid! My simple mind.
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Going through my avoids, here are the ones I crave the most:

Beef & Pork, mainly because they are so flavorful and fattening
Blue Cheese, because it is such a great salad dressing
Cheddar Cheese, great with crackers
Mozzarella Cheese, one word: Pizza!
Sour Cream, on a baked potato
Cashews, a lovely nut
Chickpeas, some hummus and falafels, please
Pecans, my favorite pie
Wheat, Durum, Semolina, I'm Italian so I crave it all the time
Corn, Popcorn, some chips and salsa and some hot buttered popcorn, please
Peppers, Chili, Jalapeno, these are on the olive bar at the store, so tempting
Pickle, Vinegar, I used to grow and can my own
Potato, White with Skin, with butter and sour cream, please
Tomato, grew several heirloom varieties, canned them myself, have many favorites
Chili Powder, a staple of chili, but now I just use hot paprika
Chocolate, oh man do I love this, amps up my system similar to Coffee
Pepper, Red Flakes, sprinkled on pizza and spaghetti
Beer, a draft Guinness or Chocolate Porter, please
Coconut Milk, would be awesome in some curry
Coffee, great stuff but makes me really nervous
Liquor, Distilled, rum especially
Mustard, with Vinegar and Wheat, a must on a hamburger

Interestingly, though, I can't eat walnuts, a diamond on my SWAMI, because I get severe stomach pains and will bleed when I have a bowel movement.
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I am fairly compliant, but I think my problem is that I eat too many neutrals & try to avoid avoids rather than focusing on diamonds.
Way before I ever heard of BTD, I avoided dairy as it caused bad constipation & later respiratory congestion. Those are very painful things to endure, so the motivation was there.
In my 30s, I figured I had low blood sugar, so got rid of the sugars & most white flours.

So, by the time I got into BTD in my early 50s, I had been off the worst offender(dairy) & had to learn to get off the wheat which I added more in my 30s.

Dates are an avoid, but I eat Lara Bars regularly.  I also decided to have potatoes when I am out or traveling. Maybe because I was off them for some years, they don't outwardly bother me.
If there is a veggie that is available once or twice a year, I have decided not to worry if I have some(eggplant). I do avoid cauliflower & am glad that broccoli is a diamond!

It takes time to avoid the avoids. Just get back on the wagon when you fall off! This group is still here to help.


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I've been following (loosely for the most part) Dr. D's diets since 1997.  I was the same as you, Kitari, for all of those past years up until recently.

Regretfully, the only thing that 'snapped my garter' was PAIN.  That's when I realized some of my banned foods were directly.... almost immediately causing my pain level to increase.  Don't most of us learn the hard way?

The PAIN that now would not go away was the catalyst I needed to make the decision to get serious.  It also helped to invest the extra money into the SWAMI.  I find I can motivate myself to behave better if I've put out the bucks that I really could use for something else.

I got serious deleting from my diet even the banned foods that didn't increase my pain level.  Because they are still doing damage to me internally and I aint no 'spring chicken' anymore!  Now I have the peace of mind that I'm doing all that I can to help myself heal.  I'm seeing results and that's what we all want.  Isn't it?


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Things like mayonnaise are avoids because of the way most commercial ones are made.  You can make your own or find ones with very few avoids.  I buy Lemonnaise by Ojai foods and use it sparingly.  Also, some of the melons are actually not avoids.  Look at the pictures....
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I don't live alone so I can't "just keep the avoids out of the house." I keep oats, spelt flour, potatoes, orange juice, honey, strawberries, and apples in the house even though I can't eat them, because other family members do. Some foods I know will hurt me and I'm not even tempted by those. I won't drink milk or eat oatmeal no matter how good it looks or smells. I have a harder time staying away from things like honey and goat cheese.

It helps that I prepare about 80% of the food in the house, and the other 20% is my 18yo daughter cooking for herself. I don't have people bringing me their leftovers that I shouldn't be eating.

I think you need to get in the habit of "not grabbing whatever your friends bring you" and ask what's in something before consuming. The french fries should have been a simple "no thanks, I don't eat potatoes." The smoothie should have been "what's in it?" before taking a sip- with a polite "no thanks" when you heard the ingredients.

The key is not to be rude or judgmental about it. There's a big difference between "no thanks, I don't eat that" and "Eww, do you know what that does to your body? How can you stand to eat that garbage?!?!" You respect what they eat, and in exchange you expect them to respect what you eat. And they can't know what you do and don't eat if you don't inform  them. Occasionally eating things you know you shouldn't will confuse your friends- when you're more compliant, they'll get used to it.


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I have bought a dozen pasteurized eggs on two occasions and used my regular organic eggs at other times to make mayonnaise but finally decided that making homemade mayo is just not my thing and hardly worth the trouble. I learned how to make it but found that after one serving of it most of the time it had to be thrown out.  Now, if I want to make turkey salad, for instance, soy yogurt serves very well for a dressing along with herbs, etc. Actually, I was surprised at how well it works! Soy yogurt would be a black dot for me so I use it very sparingly. When I was still eating Greek yogurt I used it to make dressings.


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Oh my goodness Adam! Just reading your description
of your avoids made me a little hungry.   You are doing very well indeed to
stay away from your avoids.

Thanks Mrs T O+ like you, when I look back I have gotten off almost all my avoids over time, thanks for the encouragment.

Enobattar! Snap my garter! lol!
I'm hoping to avoid pain also, thank you for your example.

Jane, I will look for the Lemonnaise by Ojai foods, thank you.

Ruthie, I have never looked at it as someone handing me their leftovers, I realize people use food to express kindness and care to others but my liking it and wanting to eat these offerings is my weakness and problem, yes. I really haven't resolved how much I want to discuss BTD with them...in the past explaining having to be gluten free because of celiac disease seemed to make my family try to push gluten on me even more at ever opportunity.  Thank you for your suggestions I will be thinking about them, you always seem to be such a good example for everyone here with very sound advice.

Spring, I don't see myself making mayonaise either, the raw egg always concerns me, and I only wish I could use yogurt, that would be a great substitute.



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Ruthie, I have never looked at it as someone handing me their leftovers, I realize people use food to express kindness and care to others but my liking it and wanting to eat these offerings is my weakness and problem, yes. I really haven't resolved how much I want to discuss BTD with them...in the past explaining having to be gluten free because of celiac disease seemed to make my family try to push gluten on me even more at ever opportunity.  Thank you for your suggestions I will be thinking about them, you always seem to be such a good example for everyone here with very sound advice.

Really? I would be LIVID if somebody tried to push gluten on me! I can literally get sick from topical exposure. I would do what I could to spend less time with those people, as I wouldn't feel safe around them.

Don't assume that your friends will be as disrespectful as your family was.


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