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marjorie
Saturday, April 6, 2013, 4:00am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I am curious if anyone noticed a difference in their teeth with bone loss following btd.

I am not off the BT plan, but definitely not eating as much protein.

I went to the dentist and have severe bone loss and was wondering if this diet can help me for my future.

I am starting to freak out... I am only 38!

Anyhow, I need to do something about my lifestyle. I wonder if I need to start eating the grass fed beef again..

help would be greatly appreciated.

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Marjorie - no offense, but how come you are still wondering re eating grass fed beef again??!! After all the previous discussions re this (especially for an O) hoping that evidence of "severe bone loss" is the final piece of evidence you seem to need?
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I'm so sorry to hear your dental health has gone down hill.   <3 <3

The goal now, I think, would be to stop any more loss from occurring.  Can you talk about the types of toothpaste you use?  Does it have sodium laurel sulfate?

As many years as I've been on this forum, I can't tell you how many times that Type O's, (who've been off red meat for a while) start eating it again, notice a clarity and calmness in their sense of well being.

There's something in red meat, that our ancient DNA needs. <3

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Quoted from marjorie
I am curious if anyone noticed a difference in their teeth with bone loss following btd.

I am not off the BT plan, but definitely not eating as much protein.

I went to the dentist and have severe bone loss and was wondering if this diet can help me for my future.

I am starting to freak out... I am only 38!

First, I think the bone loss is an indication that you aren't getting something balanced, but I doubt it is because you are doing BTD...  I can't imagine any reason why reducing the toxin load in the body would cause MORE problem, only less.  You probably have less bone loss than if you weren't attempting to follow BTD.

What does it take to maintain or build bone? Magnesium, calcium, vitamin D...  Also enough, but not too much exercise, as stress makes everything worse...

Why do you allow yourself to "freak out"?  This is just added stress.  Do research to find what you can do to remedy the situation, eat a higher % of  beneficial foods, including those that will specifically get the nutrients you need to focus on and be comfortable in the knowledge that you are doing what you can.

Remember that just because you are following BTD (or a variant), doesn't mean that you will never have anything go wrong with the body, just that you are providing the body the best opportunity we know of to be healthy.


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thanks for the thoughts.

I guess I am just confused because I have read that keeping the body in a more alkaline state - not ketosis is the best for disease not to thrive. I, on the other hand, seem to be most productive on a low carb diet.

I am not going to feel guilty, but today I had a salad with a vega bar. It was rice protein in it, but still compliant. I seem to not want the meat again.. I could have had anything when I was out to lunch but went for a vegan option. This is what I mean, I tend to keep gravitating towards veganism..  but now my health feels off.
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magnesium magnesium magnesium http://www.amazon.com/The-Magn.....ds=magnesium+miracle

Vitamin K is also an important cofactor for proper utilization of calcium- putting this on my reading list soon... http://www.amazon.com/Vitamin-K2-Calcium-Paradox-Little-Known/dp/1118065727/ref=pd_sim_b_4 grass fed products are key.


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Do you go to the dentist every 6 months and this is a new development in the last 6 months?  If so, what have you been doing different in the last six months?...eating less meat?  If that is the case perhaps you do need more grass fed beef.  

And about veganism for an O, I gravitate towards ice cream and chocolate, but that doesn't mean it's good for me.  

You have mentioned you had an ED.  Could this be cumulative damage from past eating habits?  

And to answer your question, no, the BTD has not caused me to have problems with my teeth and bone loss, in fact my teeth and bones are better.  My teeth used to crumble and bones break before removing gluten from my diet and going on the BTD, that doesn't happen now.
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I googled meat eating and bones and got this site that lists some studies on the subject.

http://www.holisticchineseherb.....ute-to-osteoporosis/


I don't know how reputable the site or studies are but they do address the subject you are interested in.
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I seem to not want the meat again.. I could have had anything when I was out to lunch but went for a vegan option. This is what I mean, I tend to keep gravitating towards veganism..  but now my health feels off.

I don't know that you have been compliant enough for long enough to allow the mental processes to be automatic...  It sounds like you have never broken the vegan habit and are still not really listening to the body's needs...


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I don't know that you have been compliant enough for long enough to allow the mental processes to be automatic...  It sounds like you have never broken the vegan habit and are still not really listening to the body's needs...


Hi
I respectfully disagree. I have been not eating avoids for about 8 years. Also, I have been eating a hi protein diet for at least 5 years. The only thing that has changed is eating more veggies versus meat, but in general, I do not think o's are suppose to eat a TON of meat, per say.

Everyone is different though.

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I have been not eating avoids for about 8 years. Also, I have been eating a hi protein diet for at least 5 years. The only thing that has changed is eating more veggies versus meat, but in general, I do not think o's are suppose to eat a TON of meat, per say.

I didn't realize that you had been eliminating avoids in the diet for that long.  However, per Dr. D.'s definition, compliance refers to the ratio of Beneficial to Neutral foods.  If you are eating 100% Neutral foods, you are 0% compliant.  So, my point is that since I don't know your diet intimately, I can't (and do not) judge, but if you say that you feel your health is off, something isn't right - so up your beneficial inputs to heal the body...


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I didn't realize that you had been eliminating avoids in the diet for that long.  However, per Dr. D.'s definition, compliance refers to the ratio of Beneficial to Neutral foods.  If you are eating 100% Neutral foods, you are 0% compliant.  So, my point is that since I don't know your diet intimately, I can't (and do not) judge, but if you say that you feel your health is off, something isn't right - so up your beneficial inputs to heal the body...


Thanks. I am working on it -trying to eat lots of beneficials.

It might not be food that is off, probably other things.
Thank you again for the help though.

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the jawcerciser is equipment which can strengthen jaw/bone under teeth - from http://www.rawfamily.com.  Chewing gum available from http://www.beautifulonraw.com - gum to be chewed 20 mins after meals - will increase jaw bone - patience is needed plus maybe changes in foods/meals.  Chew on raw vegetables, salads, nuts, sprouted/essene bread, raw kale - chew well.  Don't lose a tooth if you can help it, as can affect the whole mouth & dental health.  the high sugar/fruit intake of many people today is also a factor, snacking on fruit or dried fruit between meals, the acidity level / ph of a person, all affect dental health.  This is why lots of people drink raw green smoothies or eat fresh raw salad with greens - greens like kale alkalise the ph of whole body and mouth, it counters the acicity caused by sugars and general daily stress.  I eat fruit just once a day in afternoon if possible, some green veg with or after is good.  Dried fruit too high in sugars for some people. Experienced fasters also find fasting good for absessed teeth or inflammation under teeth.  Fasting best under exerienced practitoner unless one has experience and has read up on fasting.
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I'm still curious about why a high protein is good, mother's / human milk is only about 2 or 3% protein isn't it?  we don't need that much protein, and all amino acids are in a wide variety of fruits, veg, nuts, seed, grain - so long as one eat a good variety every week plus fresh raw vegetable juices.  If eaten raw, the amino acids won't be changed or damaged.  Too much protein will draw minerals out of the bones/teeth to alkalise the body, as animal flesh proteins will and do increase acidity of body, as does sugar, excessive amount of fruit, processed foods, and many other factors, habits.
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I'm still curious about why a high protein is good, mother's / human milk is only about 2 or 3% protein isn't it?  we don't need that much protein, and all amino acids are in a wide variety of fruits, veg, nuts, seed, grain - so long as one eat a good variety every week plus fresh raw vegetable juices.  If eaten raw, the amino acids won't be changed or damaged.  Too much protein will draw minerals out of the bones/teeth to alkalise the body, as animal flesh proteins will and do increase acidity of body, as does sugar, excessive amount of fruit, processed foods, and many other factors, habits.


Thanks. This is where the confusion lies when I think of the hi protein diet versus the raw diet... I have been over this a million times. I dont get it. Of course, I want to feel healthy and well, but also do not want to do any more damage to my body if I was eating too much protein before.

I definitely do not eat alot of fruit, grains. So...
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Why do you allow yourself to "freak out"?  This is just added stress.  

Oh, come on, ABJoe. You sound just like a man!!    I just about "freaked out," too, when I suddenly had bone loss around some of my teeth. I started taking more Vitamin C and other supplements (Dr. D. has protocols for this) and used my Sonicare to do a second round to lightly massage my gums all around. Worked like a charm, and, as I've said before, my gums are normal now.

It is strange to me that no one in all the discussions about gums lately no one has mentioned the protocols that Dr. D. has recommended for this problem. It is right there in plain English and simple to follow.


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Oh, come on, ABJoe. You sound just like a man!!    I just about "freaked out," too, when I suddenly had bone loss around some of my teeth. I started taking more Vitamin C and other supplements (Dr. D. has protocols for this) and used my Sonicare to do a second round to lightly massage my gums all around. Worked like a charm, and, as I've said before, my gums are normal now.

It is strange to me that no one in all the discussions about gums lately no one has mentioned the protocols that Dr. D. has recommended for this problem. It is right there in plain English and simple to follow.


Thanks Spring

I am going to have to place an order of supplements. I already take his calcium, what else did you take for the bone loss.

I wonder if eating the meat will help? or not?
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Thanks Spring

I am going to have to place an order of supplements. I already take his calcium, what else did you take for the bone loss.

I wonder if eating the meat will help? or not?

You're welcome, Marjorie!
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/2.html
This is the anti-bacterial protocol he recommends. There is another fungal protocol he recommends particularly for O's but you may not need that one. If you don't have a Sonicare you can do the gum massage gently with a soft toothbrush. It is important to do this to speed up your recovery. If you are getting enough protein from good sources for you, I wouldn't worry about that. I didn't increase my protein intake. But, then, I always eat enough anyway.


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Quoted Text
BLOOD GROUP O
Polyflora O (ABO-specific Probiotic): 2 capsules, twice daily
Astragalus (Astragalus membranaceus): 500 mg, 1-2 capsules, twice daily
Kutki (Picorrhiza kurroa): 400 mg, 1-2 capsules daily

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GENERAL RECOMMENDATIONS USABLE BY ALL GROUPS
ARA6 (Larch arabinogalactan): 1 tablespoon, 1-2 times daily in juice or water
Polyflora A | Polyflora O | Polyflora B | Polyflora AB | ABO-specific Probiotic formula: 2 capsules, twice daily
Vitamin C (from Acerola Berry or Rose Hips): 250 mg, 1 capsule, twice daily

I just used the ARA capsules that I had on hand.


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I have the polyflora and fucus.

I was wondering if i took too many polyflora which caused this.... but I felt like i needed to cleanse.

this is confusing
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Oh, come on, ABJoe. You sound just like a man!!

Fitting...


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I have the polyflora and fucus. I was wondering if i took too many polyflora which caused this.... but I felt like i needed to cleanse. this is confusing

It was confusing to me, too, that I had the problem at all but using the protocol and lightly brushing my gums fixed it. I almost wonder if you need a second opinion.....



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Fitting...




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