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eva b.
Tuesday, April 2, 2013, 10:27am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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just wondering, since I'm doing some experimenting with what i can and can't eat due to digestive issues (difficulty with solids) if there are people who have done better with just the simple BTD than with the more advanced Geno type and Swamis....I know a lot of you swear by your SWAMIs, but I can't afford to get it done or see a practitioner, and really would like some different opinions.
thanks in advance.
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I do great on the basic BTD!

Actually, my SWAMI gives me food that's very much like the BTD for A's, with a few tweaks because of my health situation.

I was on the BTD for several years and did very, very well on it.


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Avoiding lectins (one big focus of BTD) might be priority as you get your gut in order.


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I did better on BTD than GTD.

Online quiz is equal between BTD and GTD.

As far as immediate health SWAMI and BTD are about equal. Long term health I cannot directly measure, but since it considering more factors including the resetting of genes, I think that I am better off.  But I will never know what stroke it prevented, what cancer it prevented, ...


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I did great just removing ALL the worst avoids, wheat, dairy, corn, pork etc, begining with BT. All the foods I eat are BT and SWAMI compliant but some go from neutral to beneficial on SWAMI. I like that SWAMI has more food ratings. I don't think there are any SWAMI Hunter food ratings that are not BT compliant. I think over all my digestion was better on BT but like C sharp said, I don't know what I'm preventing by eating SWAMI foods too. All my SWAMI avoids are also BT avoids. Hope this helps


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Quoted from C_Sharp
I did better on BTD than GTD.

Online quiz is equal between BTD and GTD.

As far as immediate health SWAMI and BTD are about equal. Long term health I cannot directly measure, but since it considering more factors including the resetting of genes, I think that I am better off.  But I will never know what stroke it prevented, what cancer it prevented, ...
same for me, although I never attained full compliance on any three diets.



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I was on the BTD for several years and did very, very well on it.


So did I for the most part. I began to discover that some foods on the diet were not my friends, and I was not surprised when they were downgraded on SWAMI. Otherwise, many problems were resolved on the BTD.


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My health improved a lot when I got my Secretor status and started following the correct BTD (for nonnies).  

When I switched to the Nomad diet, there were a few changes in food choices, and I don't remember there being a lot of difference in my health.

When I started the SWAMI, it was like a blend of the best of the BTD and the Genotype Nomad diet.  I didn't expect to notice a lot of change in my health, but I was very surprised!  The SWAMI prompted a lot of cleansing and healing in my body - periods of healing challenges, followed by stretches of feeling better than I have felt in decades.  That has continued, and the process has impressed me by how much wisdom is innately in the human body, when given the chance to express itself.

All in all, I am now healthier than I have ever been.  And I continue to go through occasional difficult healing periods that have a beginning and an end to them.

Another thing that is striking is my weight.  Pre-BTD, I was carrying about 30 pounds of excess weight.  I dropped maybe 8 pounds on the Blood Type Diet and then leveled out.  Then on the Genotype Nomad diet, I dropped another 10 pounds and leveled out at that point.  The SWAMI very quickly melted the remaining 12 pounds over a 2 month period, and leveled at that weight.  This brought me to what I weighed in college, which I always considered my ideal weight.  The difference with the SWAMI was that the weight loss was completely effortless, without any intention on my part to change my weight.  With the BTD and the GTD, it seemed like I was always "weight aware" and trying to drop a few more pounds.

I'm very happy with how the SWAMI is treating me and how my body seems to be reprogramming itself.    



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I did better on the BTD than the Teacher's diet in the GTD book. I did better on the BTD than a
personalized SWAMI where I inputted all the information.  I now have a professional SWAMI and I
feel it enhanced my immune system.  My energy is better than it's been in years, although
I'm not melting any pounds. In fact, I gained a bit and can't seem to lose it....so perhaps my SWAMI
needs tweaking.   I don't have the ability to input anything in my SWAMI myself as it's not on
my computer but on the computer at the clinic.....I have to wait until I see the shift again this summer.  


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It's important, IMO, to define what you mean by "done better".
One diet may be more do-able for you, and you'll therefore enjoy it more and perhaps be more likely to stick with it. A different diet may inconvenience you more, thus leading to impatience and dissatisfaction.

There are those here telling that the BTD was great, and then that SWAMI later confirmed some tweaking they were implementing anyway; in that case maybe they don't really need the expense / attention / lifestyle of SWAMI (the BTD being sufficient, combined with intuition).

There is, as you can see via the posts above, no single answer to your question.

Ultimately, what's your goal? It might very well be simply to train your intuition to know what to eat and when. In that case, you may wind up with your own individual Intuition Diet, transcending anyone else's program altogether, after using Dr. D'Adamo's program(s) as a training-ground.  


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Chloe,
Like you, I did better on the BTD than the Teacher's diet in the GTD book.And looking back I think I did better on the BTD than my personalized SWAMI.  I keep thinking of going for a professional SWAMI.    My immune needs help so perhaps I need to consider finding time for this.
Does that person doing the professional swami redo measurements?
Lin


Gluten/Casein and Yeast sensitivity.
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Thinking a bit more about it, all the foods I eat are BT compliant as I said earlier but some have moved from neutral on BT to diamond or beneficial on SWAMI, like salmon and tuna which I adore. Spinach went to neutral but I still eat it often. However, I have also found that a there are quite a few SWAMI beneficals that I cannot tolerate. It is nice to know that if I do want to eat something not rated on BT, I know I can. Overall, my foods that sit best are all the BT foods, SWAMI's not as much. I do have to say I don't eat the portions and frequencies or all the foods on SWAMI or I would be a mess. WAY too much food and WAY too many carbs and not nearly enough fat. Sad as it may be, SWAMI misguides me there. When I first got my SWAMI I didn't do well at all thinking back. I guess inadvertantly I kinda went back to BT with some SWAMI foods that aren't BT rated. There are lots of people that do much better on SWAMI though. I like them both


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Chloe,
Like you, I did better on the BTD than the Teacher's diet in the GTD book.And looking back I think I did better on the BTD than my personalized SWAMI.  I keep thinking of going for a professional SWAMI.    My immune needs help so perhaps I need to consider finding time for this.
Does that person doing the professional swami redo measurements?
Lin


I had my measurements redone in Dr. D's office....originally in Wilton...Now my husband and I
go to the clinic in Bridgeport, Ct. where we see the shift and Dr. D.  My professional SWAMI is
awesome.  Thought the one I did myself wasn't adequate.  Gave me foods I didn't tolerate.  Basically, I think people sense the ones they don't tolerate and for me, it was mostly the dairy.
All I have left now in the beneficial dairy list is ghee, manchego and yogurt.  About 5 neutral
dairy foods (mostly aged, hard cheeses -- don't remember off the top of my head because they're
rarely eaten).  The rest of my diet isn't drastically different except gluten grains aren't prominent
or beneficial.  My diet looks a bit more A like with most dairy gone.  I'm not a typical Teacher. I
can't even see my tendons on my wrist. I'm a faint taster and I'm also an A2....(which might
account for some of the diet adjustments).  I have lamb as a black dot.  Chicken livers a neutral.
I now have a diet that suits me better than ever.

Just wanted to add that because a professional SWAMI requires very specific information in order
to become a perfect "fit", I'd look for someone who has a lot of experience in doing this.  Your
SWAMI is only as good as the person entering the information.



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I did far better on BTD than I did on GTD. Had SWAMI not been available, I would have gone back to BTD after my 2-month trial of GTD.  However, SWAMI is working much better for me than even BTD did.

I do aim for the SWAMI portions, although it's hard for me to stick to them perfectly, and I've found that I definitely need more fat than SWAMI allows for. I could never get portion control right via the lists in the book, because I'd always put myself in the larger end of the range than I should have.


Ruth, Single Mother to 20 yo  O- Leah , 18 yo O- Hannah, and  13 yo B+ Jack


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Chloe,
I suspect I am  very much  like you re the dairy and gluten.
Gluten I completely avoid and for quite a while stopped dairy, but use a little Ghee, and yogurt made from soy or almond milk. And dabbled a little with cheese but suspect it does not work for me. Also I'm wondering about egg whites.  How do you do with them?

I can see my tendons on my wrists, very teacher like there, but my lower half is more well built which I think is the explorer in me.
Lin


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BTD made me loose weight better and easier.
Swami helps me heal my body on a much deeper level.

I'm hoping once the healing is done, I will start losing weight again on Swami.




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Every single one of you has provided great insight!! I LOVE this forum!

Ok, that's it.  I'm finding a SWAMI practitioner by letting an expert handle my assessment.  Any recommends for one in Toronto?

Happy health to all!!
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There are 2 showing in the IfHI directory:

Michael   Staffieri  RHN, MIFHI
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IfHI Master (Certified 2007), IfHI Fellow (Certified 2005)
3845 Lakeshore Blvd West Suite 612
Toronto, ONT, Canada M8W4Y3
Telephone: 416 255-1788

http://www.aboessentials.com/


Kathleen   Whimster  B.Comm,ND,MIFHI
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IfHI Master (Certified 200 IfHI Fellow (Certified 2007), Fellow Cum Laude 2007
73 Warren Road Suite 102
Toronto, ONT, Canada M4V 2R9
Telephone: 416 792-4400

Mahaya Forest Hill Integrative Health

http://www.wavelengthwellness.com


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Wow, those two are both pros and you would be in good hands, Taxman.



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my swami recommendations are + - congruent to BTD recommendations  


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I have been on the BTD and am investigating the GTD (currently waiting for my secretor test results.)

After reading the above posts, like Taxman, I would like to find a SWAMI practitioner and let an expert handle my assessment.  Any recommends for one in San Diego, CA?



In San Diego, I recommend Ryan Partovi:

http://www.drpartovi.com/



In general to find practitioners in your area:

http://www.generativemedicine.org/ifhi/memberlist.pl


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AB Joe, thank you!

I have a free consultation phone appt. with Kathleen Whimster tomorrow.  From there, I'm going to see her and get my Secretor, SWAMI and the whole shebang.

Very excited.  In the meantime, I'll savour the BTD diet before I get Kate's professional advice.  Can't wait to speak with her!  

Once again, thanks all!  All of you are so great for giving such amazing and helpful advice.

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AB Joe, thank you!

I have a free consultation phone appt. with Kathleen Whimster tomorrow.  From there, I'm going to see her and get my Secretor, SWAMI and the whole shebang.

Very excited.  In the meantime, I'll savour the BTD diet before I get Kate's professional advice.  Can't wait to speak with her!  

Once again, thanks all!  All of you are so great for giving such amazing and helpful advice.


I'm happy for you, that you're moving right along with this!  You are being a true friend to yourself.  

Kate is a long-time beloved member of this forum.  We haven't heard much from her since her practice got so busy, but I have a lot of respect for her.




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just wondering, since I'm doing some experimenting with what i can and can't eat due to digestive issues (difficulty with solids) if there are people who have done better with just the simple BTD than with the more advanced Geno type and Swamis....I know a lot of you swear by your SWAMIs, but I can't afford to get it done or see a practitioner, and really would like some different opinions.
thanks in advance.


I do well on the BTD, it solves my known health issues.  I tried the GTD but didn't do as well but that could be because I couldn't decide if I was a hunter or an explorer or it could be it causes more detox. Anyway more questions than I was able to answer so I went back to BTD. I would one day like a professional Swami, it seems to be the most accurate with the best results.

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Well.....I would say there were things in GTD that showed up on my swami that didn't do a thing for me even if I tried eating with confidence: rabbit, for example. Nice and lean but left me feeling malnourished. Today when I look at "tomato juice", for example, and know it means taking the fresh style instead of the canned style, then see the actual tomato as a "black dot"......ehhhh......there's stuff I can do without. I didn't need it on the BTD and still don't need it.Cassava, also, now listed as a neutral on swami because of genotype, but in actual practise mades me very sick afterwards!!!  

I would say I can stretch the envelope further towards BTD once more when I do strict food combining rules. BTD also lowered my blood pressure to a normal level before I could ever get a personal swami report. I don't think I could do a straight GTD with no swami, practising  food combining rules and still get the full benefits of the GTD.


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AB Joe, thank you!

I have a free consultation phone appt. with Kathleen Whimster tomorrow.

Glad to help.  I know you're in good hands.


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I do better on Swami or GTD basically because they remove the item that was hindering my progress in BTD: gluten.

Other than gluten, my BTD, GTD, and Swamy are basically the same.
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Thanks, Victoria!

I had a wonderful conversation with Kate and this coming Friday, I'll be seeing her to get my SWAMI testing.  

Will I be an Explorer, Hunter...Gatherer?  I'm excited to know!  In the meantime, thanks again to you and everyone here.  I would have not known what SWAMI was without this forum!

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I think Spring's got it.

Just be as compliant as you can on the BTD.  But always pay attention to which allowable foods really don't make you feel good or have any bad symptoms; eliminating them as you go forward.

When you finally can get your SWAMI, I'll bet you will be pleasantly surprised at how 'right' you were eating under the guidelines of the BTD.

I've done the best with SWAMI.  I like it best because it has allowed me to bring back into my Beneficial/Diamond column many foods that I LIKE.  Yes, of course, there are some foods that you will see that will moved to Restricted or Avoid, but chances are if you pay attention to your body under the BTD, you will not be too surprised.  For example, under SWAMI, lamb is a Beneficial!  It's so nice to have a solid red meat that I can eat weekly!  During my 14 + years under BTD and GTD I never considered trying it but craved meat every so often.


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Taxman, that's great that you're going to be able to see Kate.  Your Swami options will be Nomad,  Gatherer, or Explorer.  It's wonderful when it's individualized just for you and any issues you may have.  I'm sure you'll let us all know what comes of your appointment.



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