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Type Unknown
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Hi, I'm back.

I don't know if any of you remember me, but I was sort of a skeptic troll on this message board a few months ago. But doing that helped me change my views on the BTD, so I hope you feel it was worth the abuse!

But I have realized I have another fundamental problem with the BTD, and I want to get your input.

I have noticed with the aging members of my family on the BTD this disturbing trend, which was at the heart of my issues with BTD to begin with:

For certain blood types, BTD places things that are normally considered very healthy, such as cabbage, olives, coconuts, papaya, etc in the Avoid list. Knowing that, if given the choice between a homemade cabbage stir fry and, say, chicken alfredo, they will go for the Alfredo every time.

In their perspective, according to what they read, a cabbage stir fry is just as poisonous to them as chicken Alfredo, but the Alfredo tastes way better.

Now, I know that Dr D'Adamo says it's more important to follow the Highly Beneficial list, and he argues to avoid processed foods. But the fact that things like cabbage are placed in the same category as white flour bothers me--I know in my heart these two are not equal no matter what blood type we're talking about.

What do you think?
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I think you think that because cabbage is a fresh vegetable that it can't possibly be as toxic as chicken alfredo.  I say that it depends on the individual.
  
For me, chicken is one of the 2 worst foods I can eat, and cabbage is 1 of the best, so you're absolutely correct based on my lists.
  
For someone who both cabbage and the alfredo noodles and sauce are avoids, then you would have to weigh the quantity of each being ingested AND how dramatically each avoid affects the individual.  For many individuals that are weighing this, they aren't interested enough in their health to look for a better food, so they definitely don't care to do the evaluation...  Both foods are harmful for them, and with little effort, they could probably choose something better.  I guess it depends on whether they want to deal with thyroid issues or weight and diabetes issues...  


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Now, I know that Dr D'Adamo says it's more important to follow the Highly Beneficial list, and he argues to avoid processed foods. But the fact that things like cabbage are placed in the same category as white flour bothers me--I know in my heart these two are not equal no matter what blood type we're talking about.

What do you think?
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I think you take things out of context for the purpose of argument.

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Why are you worrying about what other people eat?  Their decisions don't really have anything to do with you or your observations about BTD.

Why do you give an example of someoneelse's diet, instead of your own?


Knowledge is power.  SWAMI gives you the diet that will unlock the key to better health, and it's all based on your unique individuality.
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Now, I know that Dr D'Adamo says it's more important to follow the Highly Beneficial list, and he argues to avoid processed foods. But the fact that things like cabbage are placed in the same category as white flour bothers me--I know in my heart these two are not equal no matter what blood type we're talking about.


What you "know in your heart" is one thing; the result of years of research based on blood type, geno type, human digestion and interaction with food, is entirely another thing.

You need to be clearer as to what you'd like to discuss.

If it's the fact that "in your heart" you just "know" that something can't be right, a frank discussion doesn't have much value, as there's no arguing with what a person happens to know in their hearts.

However, if you'd like to talk about specific and objective reasons why you feel cabbage isn't harmful for some and should therefore be taken off the avoid list for some types, then go ahead and give us some valid reasons for that, other than that you just know in your heart that it's not right.


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How did you change your views on the BTD?


Seems that you are still not willing to consider individuality versus what you know about food and health..

Here we follow individualized diets rather than one size fits all.

Pitting one food against another does not really work--

For me as an A I get wheat as a beneficial food and cabbage is an avoid.

Chicken is an avoid-- I would probably chose a salad over either option, but most of us do not follow everything 100%-- many eat " cheat meals' on occasion.


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"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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glad you are back!

have you had a chance to recheck your blood type and rh status?

finding out secretor status will not hurt one bit either


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Cabbage is like poison to some people and I am one of them! I would take the chicken any day but get rid of all the "Alfredo" I possibly could!.....And I love cabbage!


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If they're saying "cabbage and chicken alfredo are both avoids, so I'll have the chicken alfredo," then it's pretty clear they don't have the discipline to follow BTD. They will do better just trying to eat healthy in the commonly-accepted sense.

That's kind of the conclusion I'm coming to for myself as well. BTD/Genotype/SWAMI have motivated me to add some animal protein to my diet, which has been a very good change for me. But when I tried to follow it strictly for about 6 weeks, I got stressed about food. Honestly I feel better after letting go of the specifics that don't resonate with me.


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Ok, I guess my main question was this--

Do you really think that ALL avoid types are created equal? As in cabbage vs. white wheat?

Let me add a question to this topic: have any of you had experience caring for aging relatives that are on BTD? My relatives are not on SWAMI, do not know their secretor status, have not been genotyped. Only own Cook Right 4 Your Type. If you have, was it difficult to encourage them to add variety to their meals?
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If they're saying "cabbage and chicken alfredo are both avoids, so I'll have the chicken alfredo," then it's pretty clear they don't have the discipline to follow BTD. They will do better just trying to eat healthy in the commonly-accepted sense.

That's kind of the conclusion I'm coming to for myself as well. BTD/Genotype/SWAMI have motivated me to add some animal protein to my diet, which has been a very good change for me. But when I tried to follow it strictly for about 6 weeks, I got stressed about food. Honestly I feel better after letting go of the specifics that don't resonate with me.


I appreciate your candid opinion. Honestly, I feel the same way, but getting them to change anything is extremely difficult.

Besides, it would be wrong to try to steer them off of a diet that has so much potential. But I do feel like staying on the diet adds more stress to an already very stressful part of their lives. Food shouldn't be stressful  
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Ok, I guess my main question was this--

Do you really think that ALL avoid types are created equal? As in cabbage vs. white wheat?

Let me add a question to this topic: have any of you had experience caring for aging relatives that are on BTD? My relatives are not on SWAMI, do not know their secretor status, have not been genotyped. Only own Cook Right 4 Your Type. If you have, was it difficult to encourage them to add variety to their meals?


What exactly in your opinion is the problem you're having with your aging relatives?  Are they not following the diet as well as you are?  Could you buy a copy of ER4YT?   Do they use the internet?
Ask questions here? Facebook?

No I don't think all avoid types are created equal.  Some people react to toxic foods more than others and differently depending on their health issues and specific genetic profile.
It's a personal thing.  One size does not fit all and not all people react in the same way to foods.

The heart and soul of these diets is the healing/beneficial foods....not the toxic ones.



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Do you really think that ALL avoid types are created equal? As in cabbage vs. white wheat?

Let me add a question to this topic: have any of you had experience caring for aging relatives that are on BTD?

No - all avoids are not equal.

It is incorrect, however, to state that one avoid will be better than another for everyone.

Yes, I have tried to motivate older family to change diet to get better health.  They have to be willing to change something to get something.  If they aren't willing to make the changes, or give up some "favorite" food, it is no different than someone not giving up smoking even when they have lung cancer and emphysema...  

They still have the ability to exercise free will, even if we think or know that it would be better for them to change.  I recently had a friend who's cousin didn't want to live any longer so he refused food and a feeding tube and starved himself to death.  This is hard for family to understand, but it happens and doctors and the law are on their side, regardless of what we think/want.


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No I dont think all avoids are equal

Some I avoid 100 % of the time: corn, chicken, veg. Oils, soy etc
Others i migh enjoy a few times a year , prawns and lobster.
Other I might enjoy once in  a while mainly things like avocado, coconut milk, , olives ...
Since I dont react to them.and i find life oring without them.


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What exactly in your opinion is the problem you're having with your aging relatives?  Are they not following the diet as well as you are?  Could you buy a copy of ER4YT?   Do they use the internet?
Ask questions here? Facebook?



No, they're following the diet much better than I am because I'm not on the diet. But my opinion is that, well...

I hear it's a common thing for older ones to lose a desire to eat. My relatives eat bc they know they should. So they end up eating only a few things over and over again. I do the grocery shopping for them, and I get them everything that they ask for (most things are compliant on their grocery list). But sometimes I will sneak in a fruit or vegetable in the highly beneficial category (they are type As) simply to add variety to their diet. This is almost always a terrible idea and ends with us having to scratch off yet another highly beneficial food from the list. Discussing diet now is sort of off limits bc of the emotional distress (so I am 99.9% sure they are not interested in doing research online). I want to give them as much autonomy and independence as possible.

In addition, they sometimes eat their staples to the point that they say they literally cannot eat them without gagging anymore. Little by little, their diets are narrowing. I'm afraid in the end all they'll want to eat is junk food--chicken alfredo and hamburgers, and that the BTD is only helping to narrow their options.

Please understand--I truly believe that the diet is great, even if I don't personally have the willpower to apply it to my own life. I really do not mean to smack down the diet. And I really do believe that the highly beneficial foods are great--IF you eat them!

I know I'm not giving a specific question. But I would appreciate hearing the opinions, suggestions, and experiences of the members of this board.

Thank you
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But sometimes I will sneak in a fruit or vegetable in the highly beneficial category (they are type As) simply to add variety to their diet. This is almost always a terrible idea and ends with us having to scratch off yet another highly beneficial food from the list. Discussing diet now is sort of off limits bc of the emotional distress (so I am 99.9% sure they are not interested in doing research online). I want to give them as much autonomy and independence as possible.

Thank you


It sounds like you are doing everything you can.

People will not always do what is in their best interest. You can blame the diet, but it might just as well be anything. They are who they are.

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When you reach the end of your life, sometimes you just want comfort food and don't care about the consequences.
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If I were you, I'd just buy the foods your relatives ask you to buy and let them be.  You can always
give them a copy of ER4YT, but to exert your will in order for them to eat better might not
be in your best interest.  And it sounds like they're not interested anyway.

It's nice that you can help them out in any way possible...but sometimes there are limits....and when you start to make a problem for yourself over something that isn't an issue for them, then the conflict is within yourself and the solution is to just give up the struggle.  In order for there to be any type of change, it would require an agreement that change is desired.  It seems like only you would like change.

We can always make wise choices for ourselves....but generally, we cannot make choices for others unless they are helpless.

Sorry....I'm sure this isn't what you'd wish were happening.  Sometimes we just have to live with
what IS~!  


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Some older people lose the ability to smell / taste different things, so most foods end up the same to them.  Either cooked so they are "mushy", fresh and crisp like radish or celery, or leafy and hard to chew like lettuce...

I have one friend so frustrated because the only thing her HH can taste is salt, and she knows too much isn't good for his heart...

This falls under the heading of "Know what you can change and have the ability to let the rest go."


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No, they're following the diet much better than I am because I'm not on the diet. But my opinion is that, well...

I hear it's a common thing for older ones to lose a desire to eat. My relatives eat bc they know they should. So they end up eating only a few things over and over again. I do the grocery shopping for them, and I get them everything that they ask for (most things are compliant on their grocery list). But sometimes I will sneak in a fruit or vegetable in the highly beneficial category (they are type As) simply to add variety to their diet. This is almost always a terrible idea and ends with us having to scratch off yet another highly beneficial food from the list. Discussing diet now is sort of off limits bc of the emotional distress (so I am 99.9% sure they are not interested in doing research online). I want to give them as much autonomy and independence as possible.

In addition, they sometimes eat their staples to the point that they say they literally cannot eat them without gagging anymore. Little by little, their diets are narrowing. I'm afraid in the end all they'll want to eat is junk food--chicken alfredo and hamburgers, and that the BTD is only helping to narrow their options.

Please understand--I truly believe that the diet is great, even if I don't personally have the willpower to apply it to my own life. I really do not mean to smack down the diet. And I really do believe that the highly beneficial foods are great--IF you eat them!

I know I'm not giving a specific question. But I would appreciate hearing the opinions, suggestions, and experiences of the members of this board.

Thank you
My daughter started her vegan diet the very day that we put a plate in front of her with fish on it.  She used the diet to get out of eating foods that she did not like.  There's a fine line between veganism and eating disorder (ED).  Unfortunately, the medical community is convinced that being vegan is healthy, so for some individuals, veganism is a medically sanctioned ED.

Frankly, the concern about BTD you're expressing will be true of many food-restricting diets that your relatives could follow.  In which case it might be a good idea discussing their diet with their PCP.  Especially since most of the folks here seem (to me) to be convinced BTD / GTD / SWAMI are infallible, even when the diets are slightly contradictory.



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Especially since most of the folks here seem (to me) to be convinced BTD / GTD / SWAMI are infallible, even when the diets are slightly contradictory.

The diets are different, which appears to be contradictory, but it wouldn't do any good to have identical diets attempting to get different results...

I know these diets may have shortcomings - I haven't found any yet with SWAMIXpress, however.  It is just that I haven't found anything else that has less shortcomings than these...      I have been empowered to rid myself of symptoms that have bothered me for 40 years, whereas, nothing tried before did anything more than slow the pace at which I was feeling worse.  
I think they are pretty powerful.


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I think Lloyd is right. You will take things out of context just to argue.  This will be my last reply.

Avoids are avoids for different reasons.  Not all avoids are equal.  It depends on the micro-nutrients and the lectin in the food.  Not all lectins are alike or do the same thing.  Dr. D'Adamo has documented the largest lectin database anywhere of known food lectins.

Dairy affects me differently than wheat.  Wheat is a joint killer for those prone to arthritis... or are Type O. The lectin in wheat has been shown to survive an autoclave.  It also makes me gain weight, become physically sluggish and have brain fog.  Dairy just makes me constipated.

It's all about... individuality.


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Type unknown, your initial post buried the lead. Are you really asking us whether your aging relatives following BTD are in any danger from eating the exact same food every single day?

Or is it the same foods rotated around a weekly schedule? Or that they're just not exploring enough? Are you concerned for them, or is this about the validity of BTD and the claims of it's adherents?

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I have noticed with the aging members of my family on the BTD this disturbing trend, which was at the heart of my issues with BTD to begin with:

For certain blood types, BTD places things that are normally considered very healthy, such as cabbage, olives, coconuts, papaya, etc in the Avoid list. Knowing that, if given the choice between a homemade cabbage stir fry and, say, chicken alfredo, they will go for the Alfredo every time.


I do not know your relatives.

But I do know the BTD. After eating it for several years I was able to tell how my body was going to react to certain foods and then balance my hunger, risk of social alienation, ... with how sick I was going to get if I ate those avoids.

The things you listed I would never make myself, so it is just how big a deal I would make about the food if someone else served it to me.

If I scraped off the sauce from the chicken and did not eat the pasta, there would be a fair chance that I would not feel too badly from having eaten the chicken.

Depending on the stir fry it might be more work and more error prone to sort out what I can eat in the stir fry from the avoids.

Olives I sort need to know whether they were cured with brine or vinegar before deciding what to do with them. Some times it is more work to ask about the olives so it is simpler just to not eat them.

I would presume you relatives have figured out what works for them and what does not. Even though it may not make rational sense without knowing all the details.


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I think Lloyd is right. You will take things out of context just to argue.  This will be my last reply.


I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be argumentative. I don't mean to bait you into replying again. But which things am I taking out of context?
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Who decided that your relatives would follow the BTD?  Who purchased the cookbook?

It's very likely that they're not hungry enough to eat the amount of food suggested in the book...or don't have any particular health goals. And aren't the type of people to eat foods they don't like
just because we might all know that they're beneficial for their blood type.

I just think this diet requires a lot of passion and not everyone feels the dedication.  It
requires a commitment that elderly people might not possess, given that sometimes enjoying
food matters more than eating a meal that isn't satisfying.  There are people following the BTD at 70%, 80%, 90% all the way to 100%....But following it at any percentage is still better
than a typical SAD...  If a person is simply happy taking the recipes from the cookbook and enjoying what they're eating, it counts for a lot!  Being happy matters.  Are any of your relatives seriously ill?

It sounds like you're a very concerned, caring person....But you might just have done your best
and now it's time to just accept that this isn't something you can change.


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What is it that you're trying to accomplish with your relatives?  I'm not clear on how we can assist you.

Do you want to help them follow the BTD?

Do you want to just help them get a wide variety of natural, nourishing foods?

Do you want to lower their stress and help them to be/stay happy and relaxed.

Are you asking for advice in managing elder care?

Are you wanting a list of "Red Flag" foods that each blood type should avoid most of all because they have the very worst effect on health?  If that would help you, in the book, LR4YT, there is a chapter for each blood type and included within that chapter is a list of the worst offenders for each type.



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How old are these "aged" parents, anyway? To some people out there over fifty is "aged!" Others think "aged" means someone close to ninety. My grandmother lived to be ninety-five and ate nothing but ice cream for the last five years of her life. I wouldn't have wasted a minute trying to get her to do otherwise. My father-in-law was nearly dead with an inoperable, cancerous brain tumor and suddenly became diabetic. Never had any problems with that before in his life. BUT his doctor ordered my poor mother-in-law to get him on a strict diet for diabetics ASAP!! With what mental capacity he had remaining, he despised everything on the diet! What a pack of nonsense for that doctor to do that to a couple when he only had days to live!! It still makes me furious.


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Ok, I guess my main question was this--

Do you really think that ALL avoid types are created equal? As in cabbage vs. white wheat?


No, all avoids are not created equal. There are avoids, and then there are AVOIDS!!!! For me, wheat is an AVOID!!!!, corn and potatoes are AVOIDS, and everything else on the "avoid" list is just an avoid.

I think I may have an actual allergy to wheat, as I can get sick literally from touching it. I discovered this when I first cut wheat out of my diet and still prepared it for my kids.

I won't eat anything with even a trace amount of wheat, corn, or potato- a bit of potato starch in a gravy means I won't eat the dish; or potato in the soup and I won't eat the broth. I got very sick, for over a week, from a single potato chip at one of my son's birthday parties. The same thing happened with half an organic corn taco.

Other foods I'm not as careful with. Eating too many avoids, too many meals in a row, and my health will decline- but I can handle a single meal laced with cucumbers and unknown oil in the salad and absolutely no concerns about what spices were used in any part of the meal (so long as it's gluten free- trace amounts of wheat WILL hurt me for weeks after consumption.)

So, given your fictitious example, I'd eat the cabbage stir fry (after first verifying there's no wheat or corn in the sauce) and I wouldn't touch the chicken alfredo unless it's gluten free (and also corn and potato free, as many gluten-free dishes are not.) More likely I'd order a plain beef burger with extra veggies in place of the potato.

I don't have any experience caring for aged relatives on BTD. My dad was very sick for years, and passed away 2 years ago. We only found out his blood type 2 weeks before he passed- so he clearly wasn't on BTD.  My mom is currently on another diet and is doing really well- losing a significant amount of weight she's been carrying around for decades. She's doing so well that she has zero interest in BTD- although her current regime is a decent choice for Os. Too many packaged processed shakes, bars, pretzels, etc, but the "real food" she eats is all protein and greens.

My job is to take care of myself and my children- and 2 of my children are old enough that I'm supporting them in making healthy choices, not directly controlling their diets. It is NOT my job to tell my parents or any other adults how to eat. If I was caring for an aging adult who needed to be fed, I'd respect his or her wishes on how to proceed. Even now, if my Mom asks me to pick up non-compliant groceries (say, cucumbers or balsalmic vinegar) I'll buy it for her.

The only "old people on BTD" I know are other members of this forum. They seem quite healthy and energetic in spite of the number of years they've been alive.


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My mother, who has advanced Alzheimer's, started refusing food last year.  My brother and I decided to entice her with chocolate and tiny mini cans of Coke.  She started eating the chocolate and drinking the coke.  I got a call from the nutritionist at my mom's home telling me no more chocolate or coke as it was interfering with her nutrition.

I laughed at the nutritionist and explained that broccoli and eggs were not going to cure my 85 year old mother at this point and if she wanted to eat only chocolate, so be it.  
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My mother, who has advanced Alzheimer's, started refusing food last year.  My brother and I decided to entice her with chocolate and tiny mini cans of Coke.  She started eating the chocolate and drinking the coke.  I got a call from the nutritionist at my mom's home telling me no more chocolate or coke as it was interfering with her nutrition.

I laughed at the nutritionist and explained that broccoli and eggs were not going to cure my 85 year old mother at this point and if she wanted to eat only chocolate, so be it.  


Off topic alert!

  

Grandma loved-- her cereal with coke on top, and her jelly. I figure when I turn 80 I will take up smoking and eat all the c**p food I want.  


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I figure when I turn 80 I will take up smoking and eat all the c**p food I want.


did my mom have anything to do with this bright idea of yours?


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My mother, who has advanced Alzheimer's, started refusing food last year.  My brother and I decided to entice her with chocolate and tiny mini cans of Coke.  She started eating the chocolate and drinking the coke.  I got a call from the nutritionist at my mom's home telling me no more chocolate or coke as it was interfering with her nutrition.

I laughed at the nutritionist and explained that broccoli and eggs were not going to cure my 85 year old mother at this point and if she wanted to eat only chocolate, so be it.  

Good for you!


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I figure when I turn 80 I will take up smoking and eat all the c**p food I want.  


You wish, but I'll bet anything you won't!  



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Off topic alert!

  

Grandma loved-- her cereal with coke on top, and her jelly. I figure when I turn 80 I will take up smoking and eat all the c**p food I want.  


My mom, the diehard Warrior known as RUTHI on the original forum, preaching to me endlessly to get on the BTD back in the early 2000's, is now 84, on oxygen 24x7, on all kinds of meds, near to being put in a nursing home, and now eating pork chops and sauerkraut, spaghetti with red meat/tomato sauce, drinking cow's milk, etc. and cares not one iota for BTD/GTD/SWAMI or anything Dr. D (or anyone else for that matter) has to say.  
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I am on elderly person.. I have gone from youthful eating all I want to restricting this or that to less food to less food and now elderly foods..

I have been healthy growing up, but along the way I found that certain foods were not good for this or that ailment.. little by little I fought to drop some food and keep some foods..

I am far from old, but I can see how as we move ever less and have fewer muscles, and need way less foods, it is easy to get to a state of comfort with just the easy foods.  Much safer that way..

Absorbtion over the years can be on issue if you eat or not.. As we get older over 70 haha I think a good vitamin supplement and mineral supplement and some such things like Pantothenic Acid 100mg a day might really benefit us as we ingest way less food. Eye supporting sups might benefit us.. food will help if it is in juice form, concentrated, easy to swallow.  

And finally at my age it is near futile to tell me what to do.. I eat out often but the same type of 3 foods.. I have choices money wise, or better, I make the choices, as they are worth it for me.  I choose the most Beneficials or diamond super in my swami and I buy Dr D's sups as I trust him.

For men and woman some 5 HTP to strengthen their self image might help to .. not for every day,, but one a week.

For depressed or aging anybody I would try Trehalose Complex from Dr D. A new sugar allowed for diabetics...  works well to clear up the gunk in the brain...

I think older people, if they have anyone who cares, would be in need of cleaning out food the frig, the pantry to make sure nothing gets old... the problem with some who can not see well will not see bugs on the counter, in flower, mold in the fridge.

Some old ladies and men need to be told that they smell of urine, maybe buy them pull ups or a pad.. they make new ones for men now, preventing stains in front, others need a nice looking bib.. or have their hair done every once in a while..getting a manicure or pedicure is most important... by someone who is keeping equipment clean and separated for each client...

Eye examinations are equally important... making it easy to get there helps greatly.

(I read that you are not on BTD???? why not.. even just learning what foods might be good for you OR not might be a great beginning to preserve your own health...

As on older person it is nice to see you care enough... I will be around another 30 or so years and I wish to stay as healthy as I can - so I will never need help with any of the above...

... and in between I reserve the right to eat what I please (some times).. haha If I have a friend to do it with - the better!

all the best... and thanks for caring...             



  


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My mom, the diehard Warrior known as RUTHI on the original forum, preaching to me endlessly to get on the BTD back in the early 2000's, is now 84, on oxygen 24x7, on all kinds of meds, near to being put in a nursing home, and now eating pork chops and sauerkraut, spaghetti with red meat/tomato sauce, drinking cow's milk, etc. and cares not one iota for BTD/GTD/SWAMI or anything Dr. D (or anyone else for that matter) has to say.  


This is how we know Andrea wasn't serious about eating badly and taking up smoking when
she's 80!  

Sad about your mom, Adam....  I know I will never eat garbage again in my lifetime!



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I figure when I turn 80 I will take up smoking and eat all the c**p food I want.  

Just gonna give up and die the hard way, huh???!!!!  No more motivation to see kids or grand-kids...  Life's over at 80 no matter what.  Oh well - it's your right to choose, but we'll miss your prodding.


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and now eating pork chops and sauerkraut, spaghetti with red meat/tomato sauce, drinking cow's milk, etc. and cares not one iota for BTD/GTD/SWAMI or anything Dr. D (or anyone else for that matter) has to say.  

My dad never heard of the BTD - he died long before I knew about it. But the strange thing is that he couldn't eat all the things you mentioned that your mother is eating now most of his life and avoided them like the plague, but during his last year he could eat all that stuff without it bothering him at all. Spaghetti had been like poison to him - always! Milk - a huge no-no! Beef, terrible. But all that changed about a year before his death. There is no explaining it......


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Just gonna give up and die the hard way, huh???!!!!  No more motivation to see kids or grand-kids...  Life's over at 80 no matter what.  Oh well - it's your right to choose, but we'll miss your prodding.


I assume you are joking, ABJoe! You CAN'T think that Andrea was serious!


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I was assuming he was just playing along...We all know how passionate Andrea is for Dr. D's work.
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I was assuming he was just playing along...We all know how passionate Andrea is for Dr. D's work.

SSHHH!!!  I like to pull legs as much as Andrea does...      


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Ok, I guess my main question was this--

Do you really think that ALL avoid types are created equal? As in cabbage vs. white wheat?

Let me add a question to this topic: have any of you had experience caring for aging relatives that are on BTD? My relatives are not on SWAMI, do not know their secretor status, have not been genotyped. Only own Cook Right 4 Your Type. If you have, was it difficult to encourage them to add variety to their meals?


No not all avoids are created equal but how unequal they are varys according to :bloodtype, secretor status, existing chronic diseases, and allergies. I know the worst two avoids for my type are corn and chicken which happen to be no problem at all for many A's. If you check out the Live Right for Your Type book from the library there is a short list of the worst avoids and the best beneficials for each blood type. As far as aging relatives? All you can do is all you can do. My mother has crippling arthritus that is agrievated by her addiction to whole wheat and cheese(she's type O and probably a nonsecretor). I gave her the book and it's collecting dust in the book case. As a personal opinion, with the aged, sometimes the damage is allready done. Improvements can be made to some extent so it isn't hopeless but it isn't going to unclog a heart quickly for example.
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These two are 90 and are still truckin' right along:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYLVd7plaV8
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These two are 90 and are still truckin' right along:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYLVd7plaV8


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My maternal grandmother is 91, she drives her car, walks along the beach everyday, she is sharp as a tack mentally & so was her grandfather who died at 96 only due to a freak heat wave in england, before they had airconditioning!
She is an A+, never ate a lot of meat but now has a little osteoarthritis & asked me what she could take to help her with pains in her fingers.... "Stop eating potatoes Nan"   Tough old  warrior!
If I am half as good as that I will be so happy
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Once I heard Dr. D say he continues to eat the way he does because he can be the most productive.

  Eating poorly makes you less productive, why anyone would willingly chose such a path I do not know? Many don't know any better.


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Once I heard Dr. D say he continues to eat the way he does because he can be the most productive.


This is exactly why I keep eating this way! (and because it's really so easy).


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There is no question that eating as we should makes us more productive!! A friend of mine recently lost a relative who was 105 when she died. Imagine that!


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I think you take things out of context for the purpose of argument.





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There is no question that eating as we should makes us more productive!! A friend of mine recently lost a relative who was 105 when she died. Imagine that!


How awesome....I hope this 105 year old felt well until she died.....Nothing worse than living a long life but suffering.  My maternal great grandmother lived to 100.  Her daughter, my grandmother, to 96, but my mother died at 49.  Something obviously went wrong with her genes!



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I hope this 105 year old felt well until she died.....Nothing worse than living a long life but suffering.  ..... but my mother died at 49.  Something obviously went wrong with her genes!

The relative was very happy right up until her death! So sad about your mother. What a loss for you. I lost my mother when I was 41 and felt like an orphan for two years. She was 79. I can't imagine what it is like for people who are much, much younger when they lose their mothers....


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