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Chloe
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Who decided that your relatives would follow the BTD?  Who purchased the cookbook?

It's very likely that they're not hungry enough to eat the amount of food suggested in the book...or don't have any particular health goals. And aren't the type of people to eat foods they don't like
just because we might all know that they're beneficial for their blood type.

I just think this diet requires a lot of passion and not everyone feels the dedication.  It
requires a commitment that elderly people might not possess, given that sometimes enjoying
food matters more than eating a meal that isn't satisfying.  There are people following the BTD at 70%, 80%, 90% all the way to 100%....But following it at any percentage is still better
than a typical SAD...  If a person is simply happy taking the recipes from the cookbook and enjoying what they're eating, it counts for a lot!  Being happy matters.  Are any of your relatives seriously ill?

It sounds like you're a very concerned, caring person....But you might just have done your best
and now it's time to just accept that this isn't something you can change.


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What is it that you're trying to accomplish with your relatives?  I'm not clear on how we can assist you.

Do you want to help them follow the BTD?

Do you want to just help them get a wide variety of natural, nourishing foods?

Do you want to lower their stress and help them to be/stay happy and relaxed.

Are you asking for advice in managing elder care?

Are you wanting a list of "Red Flag" foods that each blood type should avoid most of all because they have the very worst effect on health?  If that would help you, in the book, LR4YT, there is a chapter for each blood type and included within that chapter is a list of the worst offenders for each type.



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How old are these "aged" parents, anyway? To some people out there over fifty is "aged!" Others think "aged" means someone close to ninety. My grandmother lived to be ninety-five and ate nothing but ice cream for the last five years of her life. I wouldn't have wasted a minute trying to get her to do otherwise. My father-in-law was nearly dead with an inoperable, cancerous brain tumor and suddenly became diabetic. Never had any problems with that before in his life. BUT his doctor ordered my poor mother-in-law to get him on a strict diet for diabetics ASAP!! With what mental capacity he had remaining, he despised everything on the diet! What a pack of nonsense for that doctor to do that to a couple when he only had days to live!! It still makes me furious.


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Ok, I guess my main question was this--

Do you really think that ALL avoid types are created equal? As in cabbage vs. white wheat?


No, all avoids are not created equal. There are avoids, and then there are AVOIDS!!!! For me, wheat is an AVOID!!!!, corn and potatoes are AVOIDS, and everything else on the "avoid" list is just an avoid.

I think I may have an actual allergy to wheat, as I can get sick literally from touching it. I discovered this when I first cut wheat out of my diet and still prepared it for my kids.

I won't eat anything with even a trace amount of wheat, corn, or potato- a bit of potato starch in a gravy means I won't eat the dish; or potato in the soup and I won't eat the broth. I got very sick, for over a week, from a single potato chip at one of my son's birthday parties. The same thing happened with half an organic corn taco.

Other foods I'm not as careful with. Eating too many avoids, too many meals in a row, and my health will decline- but I can handle a single meal laced with cucumbers and unknown oil in the salad and absolutely no concerns about what spices were used in any part of the meal (so long as it's gluten free- trace amounts of wheat WILL hurt me for weeks after consumption.)

So, given your fictitious example, I'd eat the cabbage stir fry (after first verifying there's no wheat or corn in the sauce) and I wouldn't touch the chicken alfredo unless it's gluten free (and also corn and potato free, as many gluten-free dishes are not.) More likely I'd order a plain beef burger with extra veggies in place of the potato.

I don't have any experience caring for aged relatives on BTD. My dad was very sick for years, and passed away 2 years ago. We only found out his blood type 2 weeks before he passed- so he clearly wasn't on BTD.  My mom is currently on another diet and is doing really well- losing a significant amount of weight she's been carrying around for decades. She's doing so well that she has zero interest in BTD- although her current regime is a decent choice for Os. Too many packaged processed shakes, bars, pretzels, etc, but the "real food" she eats is all protein and greens.

My job is to take care of myself and my children- and 2 of my children are old enough that I'm supporting them in making healthy choices, not directly controlling their diets. It is NOT my job to tell my parents or any other adults how to eat. If I was caring for an aging adult who needed to be fed, I'd respect his or her wishes on how to proceed. Even now, if my Mom asks me to pick up non-compliant groceries (say, cucumbers or balsalmic vinegar) I'll buy it for her.

The only "old people on BTD" I know are other members of this forum. They seem quite healthy and energetic in spite of the number of years they've been alive.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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My mother, who has advanced Alzheimer's, started refusing food last year.  My brother and I decided to entice her with chocolate and tiny mini cans of Coke.  She started eating the chocolate and drinking the coke.  I got a call from the nutritionist at my mom's home telling me no more chocolate or coke as it was interfering with her nutrition.

I laughed at the nutritionist and explained that broccoli and eggs were not going to cure my 85 year old mother at this point and if she wanted to eat only chocolate, so be it.  
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My mother, who has advanced Alzheimer's, started refusing food last year.  My brother and I decided to entice her with chocolate and tiny mini cans of Coke.  She started eating the chocolate and drinking the coke.  I got a call from the nutritionist at my mom's home telling me no more chocolate or coke as it was interfering with her nutrition.

I laughed at the nutritionist and explained that broccoli and eggs were not going to cure my 85 year old mother at this point and if she wanted to eat only chocolate, so be it.  


Off topic alert!

  

Grandma loved-- her cereal with coke on top, and her jelly. I figure when I turn 80 I will take up smoking and eat all the c**p food I want.  


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I figure when I turn 80 I will take up smoking and eat all the c**p food I want.


did my mom have anything to do with this bright idea of yours?


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Quoted from jeanb
My mother, who has advanced Alzheimer's, started refusing food last year.  My brother and I decided to entice her with chocolate and tiny mini cans of Coke.  She started eating the chocolate and drinking the coke.  I got a call from the nutritionist at my mom's home telling me no more chocolate or coke as it was interfering with her nutrition.

I laughed at the nutritionist and explained that broccoli and eggs were not going to cure my 85 year old mother at this point and if she wanted to eat only chocolate, so be it.  

Good for you!


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I figure when I turn 80 I will take up smoking and eat all the c**p food I want.  


You wish, but I'll bet anything you won't!  



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Off topic alert!

  

Grandma loved-- her cereal with coke on top, and her jelly. I figure when I turn 80 I will take up smoking and eat all the c**p food I want.  


My mom, the diehard Warrior known as RUTHI on the original forum, preaching to me endlessly to get on the BTD back in the early 2000's, is now 84, on oxygen 24x7, on all kinds of meds, near to being put in a nursing home, and now eating pork chops and sauerkraut, spaghetti with red meat/tomato sauce, drinking cow's milk, etc. and cares not one iota for BTD/GTD/SWAMI or anything Dr. D (or anyone else for that matter) has to say.  
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I am on elderly person.. I have gone from youthful eating all I want to restricting this or that to less food to less food and now elderly foods..

I have been healthy growing up, but along the way I found that certain foods were not good for this or that ailment.. little by little I fought to drop some food and keep some foods..

I am far from old, but I can see how as we move ever less and have fewer muscles, and need way less foods, it is easy to get to a state of comfort with just the easy foods.  Much safer that way..

Absorbtion over the years can be on issue if you eat or not.. As we get older over 70 haha I think a good vitamin supplement and mineral supplement and some such things like Pantothenic Acid 100mg a day might really benefit us as we ingest way less food. Eye supporting sups might benefit us.. food will help if it is in juice form, concentrated, easy to swallow.  

And finally at my age it is near futile to tell me what to do.. I eat out often but the same type of 3 foods.. I have choices money wise, or better, I make the choices, as they are worth it for me.  I choose the most Beneficials or diamond super in my swami and I buy Dr D's sups as I trust him.

For men and woman some 5 HTP to strengthen their self image might help to .. not for every day,, but one a week.

For depressed or aging anybody I would try Trehalose Complex from Dr D. A new sugar allowed for diabetics...  works well to clear up the gunk in the brain...

I think older people, if they have anyone who cares, would be in need of cleaning out food the frig, the pantry to make sure nothing gets old... the problem with some who can not see well will not see bugs on the counter, in flower, mold in the fridge.

Some old ladies and men need to be told that they smell of urine, maybe buy them pull ups or a pad.. they make new ones for men now, preventing stains in front, others need a nice looking bib.. or have their hair done every once in a while..getting a manicure or pedicure is most important... by someone who is keeping equipment clean and separated for each client...

Eye examinations are equally important... making it easy to get there helps greatly.

(I read that you are not on BTD???? why not.. even just learning what foods might be good for you OR not might be a great beginning to preserve your own health...

As on older person it is nice to see you care enough... I will be around another 30 or so years and I wish to stay as healthy as I can - so I will never need help with any of the above...

... and in between I reserve the right to eat what I please (some times).. haha If I have a friend to do it with - the better!

all the best... and thanks for caring...             



  


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My mom, the diehard Warrior known as RUTHI on the original forum, preaching to me endlessly to get on the BTD back in the early 2000's, is now 84, on oxygen 24x7, on all kinds of meds, near to being put in a nursing home, and now eating pork chops and sauerkraut, spaghetti with red meat/tomato sauce, drinking cow's milk, etc. and cares not one iota for BTD/GTD/SWAMI or anything Dr. D (or anyone else for that matter) has to say.  


This is how we know Andrea wasn't serious about eating badly and taking up smoking when
she's 80!  

Sad about your mom, Adam....  I know I will never eat garbage again in my lifetime!



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I figure when I turn 80 I will take up smoking and eat all the c**p food I want.  

Just gonna give up and die the hard way, huh???!!!!  No more motivation to see kids or grand-kids...  Life's over at 80 no matter what.  Oh well - it's your right to choose, but we'll miss your prodding.


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Quoted from Adam
and now eating pork chops and sauerkraut, spaghetti with red meat/tomato sauce, drinking cow's milk, etc. and cares not one iota for BTD/GTD/SWAMI or anything Dr. D (or anyone else for that matter) has to say.  

My dad never heard of the BTD - he died long before I knew about it. But the strange thing is that he couldn't eat all the things you mentioned that your mother is eating now most of his life and avoided them like the plague, but during his last year he could eat all that stuff without it bothering him at all. Spaghetti had been like poison to him - always! Milk - a huge no-no! Beef, terrible. But all that changed about a year before his death. There is no explaining it......


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Just gonna give up and die the hard way, huh???!!!!  No more motivation to see kids or grand-kids...  Life's over at 80 no matter what.  Oh well - it's your right to choose, but we'll miss your prodding.


I assume you are joking, ABJoe! You CAN'T think that Andrea was serious!


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I was assuming he was just playing along...We all know how passionate Andrea is for Dr. D's work.
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I was assuming he was just playing along...We all know how passionate Andrea is for Dr. D's work.

SSHHH!!!  I like to pull legs as much as Andrea does...      


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Ok, I guess my main question was this--

Do you really think that ALL avoid types are created equal? As in cabbage vs. white wheat?

Let me add a question to this topic: have any of you had experience caring for aging relatives that are on BTD? My relatives are not on SWAMI, do not know their secretor status, have not been genotyped. Only own Cook Right 4 Your Type. If you have, was it difficult to encourage them to add variety to their meals?


No not all avoids are created equal but how unequal they are varys according to :bloodtype, secretor status, existing chronic diseases, and allergies. I know the worst two avoids for my type are corn and chicken which happen to be no problem at all for many A's. If you check out the Live Right for Your Type book from the library there is a short list of the worst avoids and the best beneficials for each blood type. As far as aging relatives? All you can do is all you can do. My mother has crippling arthritus that is agrievated by her addiction to whole wheat and cheese(she's type O and probably a nonsecretor). I gave her the book and it's collecting dust in the book case. As a personal opinion, with the aged, sometimes the damage is allready done. Improvements can be made to some extent so it isn't hopeless but it isn't going to unclog a heart quickly for example.
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These two are 90 and are still truckin' right along:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYLVd7plaV8
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These two are 90 and are still truckin' right along:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYLVd7plaV8


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My maternal grandmother is 91, she drives her car, walks along the beach everyday, she is sharp as a tack mentally & so was her grandfather who died at 96 only due to a freak heat wave in england, before they had airconditioning!
She is an A+, never ate a lot of meat but now has a little osteoarthritis & asked me what she could take to help her with pains in her fingers.... "Stop eating potatoes Nan"   Tough old  warrior!
If I am half as good as that I will be so happy
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Once I heard Dr. D say he continues to eat the way he does because he can be the most productive.

  Eating poorly makes you less productive, why anyone would willingly chose such a path I do not know? Many don't know any better.


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Once I heard Dr. D say he continues to eat the way he does because he can be the most productive.


This is exactly why I keep eating this way! (and because it's really so easy).


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There is no question that eating as we should makes us more productive!! A friend of mine recently lost a relative who was 105 when she died. Imagine that!


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I think you take things out of context for the purpose of argument.





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