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How little meat can a type O eat and still feel good? (this is not about my daughter.   )


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It will vary from individual to individual.

Also, there is a difference between what one does for a few weeks/months and what one does for many years.
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My SWAMI suggests 4 servings/week of red meat, plus 4 of poultry and 5 fish.

I might vary that from week to week. I clearly feel better nearly every time after eating red meat and more noticeably so after not having had any for a week. Some fish, particularly cod, are also pretty good while poultry doesn't do as much for me.

I would think younger, healthier O's would tend to be able to get by on less for longer than older or less healthy O's.

I would not want to do without red meat for any longer than I needed to but could get by on poultry/fish for a period of time. I would not want to do without animal flesh for more than a limited time, and generally have some every day.
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Thanks.

The O this is about is quite young (26) but she got some serious diabetes during pregnancy. And it sticks. Her husbans and she think they'll live healthier on less meat and want to do a permanent "vegetables only" diet whenever possible (also no grains, which isn't bad for Os, I guess?). Currently they're eating meat ALMOST every day. So not as frequently as you could eat it anyway.


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Lloyd, does that mean you don't eat animal flesh everday? I am finding the older I get and AND the further into menopause, I feel better on way less protein. I just hope I'm getting enough. I feel much better on lots of veggies and a very small amount of protein. I am very low carb, non starchy veggies only and high fat, that's where I feel best but I keep getting hung up on enough protein. I do require it 2x a day but just 1.5-2 ounces. Hmmm...any thoughts?


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Lloyd, does that mean you don't eat animal flesh everday? I am finding the older I get and AND the further into menopause, I feel better on way less protein. I just hope I'm getting enough. I feel much better on lots of veggies and a very small amount of protein. I am very low carb, non starchy veggies only and high fat, that's where I feel best but I keep getting hung up on enough protein. I do require it 2x a day but just 1.5-2 ounces. Hmmm...any thoughts?


Other than perhaps a handful of 'sick days' I haven't missed a day with animal flesh in a number of years. Prior to that it would have been very infrequent, except a few weeks when I was trying a very low fat diet.

It could be that you only need a couple ounces 2x day. Once you get old enough the body does slow down and require less total nutrition. If you are less active, weigh less, et cetera. And you aren't doing heavy manual labor like a 25 year old male might as an example of other needs/requirements.

My comment on missing a week was specific to red meat (beef, lamb).
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Would she be interested in reading a copy of Dr D's Diabetes book?

Low to no grains, low carb, low GI diets are good. I know I can't maintain healthy blood sugar unless I eat animal protein 2-3 times a day. SWAMI suggests red meat 5 times a week, but I've found I can maintain health if I have it at least twice a week (with extra poultry, fish, an eggs to make up the difference.) If I eat red meat less than twice a week, I get symptoms of depression, fatigue, brain fog, and all-over body aches (fibromyalgia symptoms.)

If by "no meat" she's still eating plenty of fish and eggs, she'll be fine. Some people think "no meat" means no red meat and they still eat plenty of poultry too. If she's seriously considering a near- vegan diet, it's unlikely she'll do well on it.


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I keep getting hung up on enough protein. I do require it 2x a day but just 1.5-2 ounces. Hmmm...any thoughts?


You nee 0.8g/kg body weight of protein per day. More if you are extremely active or a body builder.

The diabetic situation will be helped by whole foods, low grain. I think no meat is a bad idea for an O.


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Hi Lloyd.   Can a Type A Teacher live and be healthy without eating any flesh from animals?   thank you.


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Hi Lloyd.   Can a Type A Teacher live and be healthy without eating any flesh from animals?   thank you.


Hi Wanathee.    The GTD/SWAMI suggests the Teacher category would benefit from some fish from time to time for optimal health. Type A is better suited for vegetarian/vegan than any other blood type.
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Hi Wanathee.    The GTD/SWAMI suggests the Teacher category would benefit from some fish from time to time for optimal health. Type A is better suited for vegetarian/vegan than any other blood type.


   I am so happy to see your reply! may I (((huges))) you.  

Also, Thank you for giving me a big laugh when I read my new name Laughter is the best medicine.    

Best wishes for you and your family.

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Thanks for your help!

@Ruthie
I do think it's the almost vegan variant they're considering.

I've linked her to this thread. No idea what she'll make of it. But your responses have been very helpful!


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Also, Thank you for giving me a big laugh when I read my new name Laughter is the best medicine.    

Best wishes for you and your family.

Off for work. .


Oops - Thanks. A most devine response. Best to you and yours as well.

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I feel good with meat twice a day since years.. I do not eat chicken and no or little fish.. so meat or turkey is my choice in exchange for the others.. I eat protein three times a day.  


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I'm not no meat, but have been doing the fasting thing, usually about a 6 hour window so I only eat two times usually. I have a smallish salad with 1.5-2 ounces of various protein on top and some extra veggies. If I eat more protein than that at a time, I get hungrier and it doesn't stop. Fat is the only thing that helps me feel full. Breakfast with protein wrecks my entire day, my stomach has this gnawing hunger thing. Most of this seems to happen since post menopause. My muscles are not getting smaller as I am keeping an eye on them. I just wish I could get rid of this gnawing feeling in my stomach. I used to way over eat protein but since menopause, it just doesn't work. I wonder if there's some correlation.?


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others are right, varies from person to person.  Also, as one ages, one can have problems digesting animal flesh proteins (as happened to me) - this can be related to state and toxicity of internal cells and organs.  There are plenty of O people doing just fine on vegetarian or completely plant-based diets, even the raw plant diet.  Each of us can find what works best for out own body/system.
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Thanks Aussielady582,
I do NEED some animal protein a couple times a day, just not large quantities. An all vegetarian meal does not satisfy me for more than a half hour. I've been taking HCL and that has helped but the biggest help has been fasting from 6pm until noon. There is a cortisol/insulin surge connection in the morning and for some people (usually lean, which I am) that causes hunger shortly after food in the morning. No matter what I ate for breakfast, 45 min later I would actually feel a "surge" and ravenous hunger would set in and not ever really go away. Since skipping breakfast all week, that is completely gone, 100%. I am so relieved as this hunger was ruining my life, all I could think about was food, now it's just "time to eat".I used to watch the clock until I "could" eat, now I watch it so I get enough nutrition in my 6 hour window.


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We are all individuals and I guess you just have to find what works for you. I would have a very hard time if I did not eat breakfast.

Just make sure you are getting the 0.8g/kg of complete protein, sufficient veggies and carbs as per swami or GTD or BTD and you should be fine. How much do you exercise? You can't tell muscle strength by size.


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I am on a ketogenic diet for blood sugar so I don't eat carbs at all . I definately get my fsir share of veggies as I love them and I get protein at every meal/snack just not alot. In fact 95% of my food is veggies, protein and olive oil/butter. I throw in some nuts/seeds and away I go.
As far as muscle, I am very slim so I can see them clearly.
I'm doing the best I can and eating the way I have to so I don't upset my digestion OR blood sugar. If breakfast before noon makes me ravenous and unbalanced, that can't be healthy. There are a lot of people who don't eat breakfast for the same reason. I'm so happy I finally figured out what was causing it. Being hungry all the time is no fun


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Hi Wanathee.    The GTD/SWAMI suggests the Teacher category would benefit from some fish from time to time for optimal health.




Hi Lloyd, may I ask what your favorite fish is?  Do you like fresh water fish or fish from the ocean?

If you are type A and in your area you have fish such as:
frozen wild caugh fresh water t smelt from Canada
frozen wild caught salmon Sockeye from Alaska
frozen wild caught cod,
fresh butter fish(black cod),
frozen wild caught butter fish( black cod) ,
frozen wild caught sardine,
frozen wild caught mackerel Atlantic,
frozen wild caught mackerel Spanish,
frozen wild caught mullet,
frozen wild caught pike,
frozen wild caught tuna from Philipine
frozen wild caught red snapper from Thailand
fresh wild caught red snapper from Hawaii also known as Opakapaka
(Opakapaka, also called Hawaiian pink snapper, is a deep-water fish found throughout the Pacific Ocean)
http://www.livestrong.com/article/462654-how-to-cook-opakapaka/

other type of fresh water fish in local area
which one would  you choose?

When we talk about fish it make me think about NEMO ( silly me), my husband always laughs at me. However I still would like to know which fish is the best choice for us. Thank you so much for your time.

Have a great weekend every one!



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Hi Lloyd, may I ask what your favorite fish is?  Do you like fresh water fish or fish from the ocean?




Of course you can ask!   And yes, I like freshwater or saltwater fish.  

When choosing, try to take best advantage of the available fresh fishes that are beneficial, and as fresh as possible. (Fish deteriorates)
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Of course you can ask!   And yes, I like freshwater or saltwater fish.  

When choosing, try to take best advantage of the available fresh fishes that are beneficial, and as fresh as possible. (Fish deteriorates)


WOW!! Thanks again. ((((hugs))))  


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I was to a perfect party meal yesterday.. The food was ready when I got there.. Sweet fried plantain, beef, chicken pork.. period..  

Sorry, vegetarians must have gone home hungry.. or they ate cake.  

I left before desert came, I had what I needed.. I usually starve at such events because real food/meat comes out to late..  


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