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Victoria
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Quoted from BluesSinger

Compulsive Overeaters tend to be compulsively obsessed about trying to be PERFECT when they adopt a food plan and beat themselves up if they don't follow the rules perfectly and then say screw it and overeat!  So too many rules for me at this stage could thwart my progress.  


What you said in your very insightful post makes sense.  I remember hearing a talk by Dr. Bernie Siegel where he was recommending that people set their short-term goals a little lower than they think they can attain.  That way when they find that they can exceed them, their self-esteem is boosted and they can celebrate a victory.

He said that people in crisis tend to set unrealistic goals for themselves and set themselves up for self-loathing when they fail to attain 100% perfection.  These words meant a lot to me at the time, and I support you setting goals that will help you grow and succeed.



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Interesting thread. Learnin' a lot (physical and emotional/spiritual). How you gettin' on now, Loops?  If you don't mind me asking. Just ignore if you do!  
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I'm doing ok.  It is a bit of a challenge doing all superfoods here in Chile but luckily most of the diamond veggies I can get.  I am feeling quite tired though to be honest - I wonder why?  This is the first time I have been doing it this compliant.
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Hmmmm, sorry to hear that. I wonder why too, unless tiredness is part of detox? Are you finding you have to sleep a lot? that's a detox symptom for me. Other than that, tiredness is usually eating the wrong foods for me. the only other thing i can think of is portion sizes too big? Altho, like you say, you shouldn't have to worry too much if it's highly compliant. Have you weighed yourself? Are you losing weight on it?  
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I wonder why too, unless tiredness is part of detox? Are you finding you have to sleep a lot? that's a detox symptom for me. Other than that, tiredness is usually eating the wrong foods for me. the only other thing i can think of is portion sizes too big? Altho, like you say, you shouldn't have to worry too much if it's highly compliant. Have you weighed yourself? Are you losing weight on it?  

It takes a lot of energy to detox and heal.  Loops is also taking care of a young person, which also take a lot of energy, although not as much until he starts walking and running...

Portion sizes and frequency can be a factor, although usually it is too little if you're really tired.  You need to eat enough good calories to maintain the energy needs.


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well I eat to appetite.  I usually trust that - as sometimes I will even leave food on my plate if I have had enough.  I have had some gas from the beans - but maybe I didn't soak them enough lol.  I had loose stools this morning sorry tmi, but that might be the cheese or the beans.  However, my eczema hasn't flared up at all and that usually happens with any sort of dairy so that is positive.  I have had a bit of a scratchy throat though...could be anything, could be dairy who knows?

I like the diet though.  Especially being able to eat cheese again - I don't seem to feel wired from it like with other dairy in the past.  I used to get tremors in the mornings and horrible anxiety from the casein.  Maybe I will have a delayed reaction though.  If so I will cut it out again.  I like the idea of lentils and beans as superfoods - I always loved those foods all my life.  When I was vegan about the only positive thing was these huge bean and squash soups I used to make that I ate with loads of brown rice.  I lost loads of weight doing that, but then gained it all back due to starting to make my own bread (gargh gluten) - my point is not that veganism is great but that I can lose weight eating beans and rice.  Not sure how that would pan out though eating meat again.

Well I did weigh myself this morning as I was a bit worried I might be gaining like a trooper - I have lost a pound it seems.  So that is good.
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I am also starting back on tennis training tomorrow for the first time in over a year - should be interesting.  At least this time my glycogen stores will be full instead of the horrible lack of energy on low carb that NEVER got better with time for me.  At one point I was eating less than 10g of carb a day and couldn't sprint for the life of me - and I was careful to eat loads and loads of fat!  I do seem to be an O that needs more carbs - maybe that is part of being an explorer rather than a hunter - I lost weight before on BTD after coming off a long low-carb stint by adding in fruit.
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I have had some gas from the beans - but maybe I didn't soak them enough lol.  I had loose stools this morning sorry tmi, but that might be the cheese or the beans.  

I like the idea of lentils and beans as superfoods - I always loved those foods all my life.  

It's recommended to soak beans overnight (8 to 12 hours) and then discard the soaking water, rinsing the beans well before adding fresh water.  Salt shouldn't be added until the beans are tender, otherwise the skins toughen and the beans can't become tender.

With small legumes, such as lentils, long soaking isn't necessary, although a couple of hours wouldn't hurt.  Just be sure to discard any soaking water and rinse well before cooking.

A piece of seaweed, such as kombu can be added to the beans.  Some people think it helps to tenderize the beans and reduce their tendency to cause gas.



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Interesting, Joe. Good luck with the tennis and everything, Loops!
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about compulsive overaters is something different to mention, not only perfectionisme might be one of the culprits but merely *the effects of recompense* might play a huge role.... ...so far I always thought: take care where you're giving your agreements...and watch out for your conditioneerings as well as for educational belief-systems..... if not we'll be taken into our own traps......while changing our language...we can change our dif. systems and outlook will be equal to the newest results.....


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Quoted from Victoria

It's recommended to soak beans overnight (8 to 12 hours) and then discard the soaking water, rinsing the beans well before adding fresh water.  Salt shouldn't be added until the beans are tender, otherwise the skins toughen and the beans can't become tender.

With small legumes, such as lentils, long soaking isn't necessary, although a couple of hours wouldn't hurt.  Just be sure to discard any soaking water and rinse well before cooking.

A piece of seaweed, such as kombu can be added to the beans.  Some people think it helps to tenderize the beans and reduce their tendency to cause gas.


I do all that, plus I drain and rinse the beans after cooking- I never eat the cooking water, as it makes me gassy.

Passover is now over, so I'm back to 100% compliance. No more oat matzah, almond milk, sugar, or honey. I'm tired today as I was up late last night putting the kitchen back to normal, and then I was up early this morning getting my kids off to school. I'll go to bed early tonight and be fully back on track tomorrow.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Ok so my compliant breakfast was as follows:

- Okra and Onions cooked in Rice Bran oil with Tumeric, Coriander, Cayenne and a bit of Agave
- Two Egg whites and One full egg
- 1/2 Sweet Potato
- 1 Piece of Teff Bread with Ghee and Blueberry Jelly
- Mango/Peach Juice

The Black Dot I had are Soy Milk in my tea and the Avoid was cornstarch in the Teff Bread I got from the store.

Today I'm making homemade almond milk so I can move away from the Soy Milk and I have to figure out how to make a good homemade teff bread in the coming weeks so I can move away from that cornstarch ingredient.  

Progress not perfection.  

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Ok Compliant Lunch was as follows:

- Ground Buffalo fried with onion adding leftover Asparagus from last nights dinner, and the Okra mixture from breakfast.  Also as a final 'delicious' touch I added some tomato juice!
- Banana

I'm full!!!!

I also got my almond milk all made and ready to go so no more carrageenan!
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Compliant Dinner:

2 OZ Mozzarella Cheese
Pineapple
1 Bowl of homemade Butternut Squash soup (onions, olive oil, allspice, ginger, chicken broth, butternut squash, maple syrup)
Grape juice mixed with Seltzer Water

Shortly after dinner the joints I have some trouble with throughout my body began to ache awful!  Mozzarella Cheese is a Neutral for me.  Obviously right now I cannot have it.  I have no cheeses whats-so-ever listed in the Beneficial column only Ghee and Butter and I can only have 1-tsp 3 times per week of those.. so OBVIOUSLY I learned that ALL dairy is OUT for me until I finish the washout healing period.  

Getting this HONED down to the bone!!  Hopeing that within another week I'll start to feel better.. I've been horribly fatigued and it kicks in mid-morning.   My OA sponsors says I'm in detox (dah!) and will start to feel better in 2-3 weeks.  This is my 10th day of Abstinence and following Swami as my food plan.  Yay!
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why not eat both yolks?  I never understand getting rid of the most nutritious part of the egg.....any particular reason why?  

On another subject - just thought I'd share my experiences - being a recovered bulimic for over 6 years now - I used to binge in response to restriction - then feel way too bloated and full and scared of the weight gain so hence the vomming.   Eventually I realized that the bingeeing was perfectly natural - the body wants calories and restricting food will always result eventually in a binge.  The trick was to let it happen, but to make sure I ate real, healthy food, and to stop restricting.  The bingeing stopped.....so did the vomiting.  The other trick was giving up wheat and gluten...

I know that some foods are very addictive - sugar, some junk foods, wheat for some people.  Bingeing for me was in response to semi starvation, and also low blood sugar.  Once I started eating proper whole foods and eating to appetite, my problem disappeared.  I didn't get fat either....
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why not eat both yolks?  I never understand getting rid of the most nutritious part of the egg.....any particular reason why?  



I can only have 6 full eggs a week... so I'm saving up my full eggs for other days.  I love eggs so this is my way of stretching them out!  

other than that no reason.  I wish i could enjoy full eggs EVERYDAY but with a current restriction of only 6 a week..    I have to be creative!  

After my 'wash out' period, I can have 8!  

and yes... diets and starvation lead to bingeing.  But for me "anything"  and I mean ANYTHING can lead to bingeing so I need a Spiritual foundation that goes hand in hand with my eating plan.  I have the perfect combo going.. My swami and OA!  The 12 step programs are miraculous!  and they are FREE!!!  
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Hmmm, well I am not really doing the portions thing - I have eggs as neutral so don't really bother with them unless I need more variety.  I find having portions listed as just being more restriction so I am not doing that - maybe as a guideline they are good (like, don't make 90% of your diet a couple of foods to the exclusion of others).  Am I wrong here?  I don't know with Swami, but I know for the BTD Dr A specifically says the portions are a guideline and really it is far more important to eat the beneficials and avoid the avoids.  I think I am sticking with that.  But I suppose some people find it more helpful to have portions listed...
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Lunch today was amazing - I made dal with fresh ginger and ate it with leftover turkey and peas, along with a glass of quince juice (interesting the weird few things I can actually find here that are on my green list).  I ate loads of it.  Tennis was really tough yesterday - first lesson back after 15 months and I am in bad shape despite doing swimming every day.  Training was INTENSE.  I ache all over today.  Body fat is down a percent though!

Keep up the good work Bluessinger!  And everybody else in on the challenge.  I will say yesterday I did have a few neutrals - I was SO hungry ALL DAY after tennis and got sick of eating prickly pears, plus the watermelon had gone off in the fridge so I ate some bananas and some figs.  Other than that it was beneficial meats and diamond veggies, and some rice.  I wish I could find pheasant and rabbit as those are diamonds lol.....

I really love fried hake - will make that tomorrow.  Another diamond I can actually find here (merluza).
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Hmmm, well I am not really doing the portions thing - I have eggs as neutral so don't really bother with them unless I need more variety.  I find having portions listed as just being more restriction so I am not doing that - maybe as a guideline they are good (like, don't make 90% of your diet a couple of foods to the exclusion of others).  Am I wrong here?  I don't know with Swami, but I know for the BTD Dr A specifically says the portions are a guideline and really it is far more important to eat the beneficials and avoid the avoids.  I think I am sticking with that.  But I suppose some people find it more helpful to have portions listed...

I think it is more important for those wondering why they aren't losing weight, etc. to have another parameter to look into...  I eat what the body needs at the time, but usually find that over the course of a month, it usually comes out about right - even though I may eat heavy for a week or so in one category...


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I suppose - but surely if you are eating what your body wants (appetite) of the good foods, you shouldn't have to impose portion restriction (calorie restriction) in order to be at a good weight in the long term.
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I think some people haven't learned to separate what the body needs from cravings and need the guidelines to get on the right track initially.  Once they get in the balance zone, it becomes easier...


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Ok breakfast today:  (I'm going to put an asterick from now on next to my benies and diamonds! That will help me keep track!    

Green juice shake with the following:
*Green and *Purple Kale, Collards, *Dandelion, *Ginger, Celery, *Watermelon, *Banana, *Pumpkin, *Ground Flax Meal (grind it myself), *Hemp Seeds, *Pumpkin Butter, *Mango Juice, *Homemade Choc Almond Milk, Rice Protein Powder, Pea Protein Powder.  

I don't know how the Rice and Pea Protein Powders rate. Does anyone know?  Both Rice and Peas are Beneficial foods for me... so???  

Also I forgot to mention that every morning I have a glass of *Cherry/*Cranberry Juice with ARA6.

And mid morning I have a big ole' jug of lemon juice water.  

So breakfast today consisted of:
15 Benies
2 Neutrals

Pretty darn good!  If I keep this up I'll soon be superhuman!!! HAAAAAAAAAAA  
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I think some people haven't learned to separate what the body needs from cravings and need the guidelines to get on the right track initially.  Once they get in the balance zone, it becomes easier...


Yes I agree with this and I also don't want to be OBSESSIVE as that leads me to 'dieting' mentality which is a slippery slope for my Compulsive Overeating Disease.

I do not think that the eating guidelines were given to help someone 'control' their weight.  I feel they were given for overall health and helping us get all the nutrients we need from the food we are eating.  Not getting too much of this, not getting too much of that, etc., etc.  and to help us heal first and foremost.

I ask my Swami to COMPUTE BEST for my food amounts and values - this sets my Swami up to compute what's best for my healing based on the disease processes I list.  Since I am considered Obese at about 80 lbs overweight, Swami lowered some of my portions and increased portions of other foods steering me to foods that will help my body detox as the stored fat releases.  

I'm thinking of making a chart listing all the food groups of Swami and having a check box for portions so that each week I can make sure I'm staying fairly close to the guidelines.

The bottom line is that I WANT TO HEAL and have a good happy life with a good healthy body and so I am WILLING to do what it takes FINALLY.  

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I suppose - but surely if you are eating what your body wants (appetite) of the good foods, you shouldn't have to impose portion restriction (calorie restriction) in order to be at a good weight in the long term.


Compulsive overeaters don't have an appestat...  they have an appetite that after one bite esp. of the foods that cause them to want to eat more, they just keep eating and eating and eating and eating... I don't know what it's like to WANT good food.    
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Compliant Lunch was as follows:

- *Ground Buffalo fried with *Onion adding leftover *Asparagus from last nights dinner, and the *Okra mixture from breakfast both made with *Olive Oil and *Rice Bran Oil - spices *Tumeric, *Rosemary .  Also as a final 'delicious' touch I added some tomato juice!
- 1 piece *Teff Bread containing an avoid - Cornstarch
- *Ghee
- Dried Mangos

10 Benies
2 Neutrals
1 AVOID

I really am going to be cheating with my Ghee allowances!!!      I just can't help it!  I'm already over my limit for this week by two weeks!!!      

Anyone else indulging in a Beneficial over the recommended serving size?!!!  
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