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ABJoe
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At this point, I believe that my SWAMI has found every "dietary trigger" for Fibromyalgia. When I stray from the plan, symptoms return.  But even staying on the diet perfectly doesn't give me perfect health. I still have 25 pounds to lose, and I still have fibromyalgia. It flares up sometimes, and I can't always figure out why.

When I have really painful days, it is usually due to really heavy cleaning and healing in progress - and true healing takes time and energy to complete, usually done in waves as the body can muster the energy.


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You amaze me, Ruthie - Your contributions never fail to impress me


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Ruthie time for the infared sauna--
Would help quite a bit.

Might want to get one.


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What a wonderful thread this is; even though I'm an A, it's very inspirational to read your stories of the journey from vegetarian/vegan back to health and meat.

My dad is type O- and he has been a vegetarian on and off for as long as I can remember.
For as long as I can remember too, he had awful "regressions" as he called them, to meat eating. Looking back it's funny, but when it happened it was quite strange: once or twice a year he would get cravings for meat that were so strong, that he'd buy huge amounts of red meat (and I'm talking enough to feed a family here) and he'd eat it ALL, on the sly, at night, until he was sick.
As he was a vegetarian by conviction, he'd feel very guilty afterwards and ramp up his vegetarian regime in order to make up for his lapse into meat eating. With, as a predictable result, another of these meat binges several months later.

Two years ago I sent him the ER4YT book, not actually thinking he'd read it, but as it turns out, he did.
And against all my expectations, he seems to find it interesting. Mainly because of the visible effects on my own health I think, but also because he's getting older now and he's hurting and ailing more and more.

I don't see him very often, as he lives in the USA and I live in Europe, but lately we've been writing to each other about the BTD a lot.
He has started eating meat again, not on the sly this time, and in reasonable quantities, and as I see it, the only thing that hurts now is his "guilty conscience". But that'll get better with time, as he starts to reap the benefits of this diet.


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Ruthie- you are doing amazing! Focus on how far you have come.

I think it is human for us to search for an answer to everything.

Food is not the answer to everything, this I am learning
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Quoted from 2degreespisces

Two years ago I sent him the ER4YT book, not actually thinking he'd read it, but as it turns out, he did.
And against all my expectations, he seems to find it interesting. Mainly because of the visible effects on my own health I think, but also because he's getting older now and he's hurting and ailing more and more.

I don't see him very often, as he lives in the USA and I live in Europe, but lately we've been writing to each other about the BTD a lot.
He has started eating meat again, not on the sly this time, and in reasonable quantities, and as I see it, the only thing that hurts now is his "guilty conscience". But that'll get better with time, as he starts to reap the benefits of this diet.

How wonderful that he received the book with an open mind!  And good for you that you reached out to him at the right time.  Hopefully he will give it a good chance and see how much better he can feel!  




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If I had my wish I would be a vegetarian.  I love eating beans and nuts and cheese and grains.  And I love the idea of not harming animals and would eschew meat, fish, poultry on those grounds. My body wants some animal protein though, and NOT CHEESE. ha. I also seem to get allergies (rashes, headaches, congestion)from many nuts and legumes. At first I thought I was a Hunter but after a few years trying out different adjustments to that diet I think I may be an Explorer, someday I hope to get a Swami and secretor test.  I have an odd assortment of fingerprints, very bad reactions to caffeine, negative blood type, and bone mesurements that fit an Explorer.
The worst food offenders for me are gluten(celiac disease), dairy products, soy, potatoes, and pork.  Foods my body seems to love are turkey, brown rice, broccoli, greens and lettuce. I eat a lot of homemade soups and salads and make brown rice breads to eat with those so I don't really have a huge slab of meat at meals...mostly vegetables, brown rice, and some turkey or fish.  Sometimes I get a craving for a hamburger or a steak and I have one.  I get a good deal of regular exercise which I think helps my body function better.  So though I'm not eating vegan or vegetarian anymore I'm not killing hundreds of animals each year to sustain my body and I feel good about that. I try to eat just what I need to maintain good health.
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I have been vegetarian, vegan, macrobiotic, blood type diet, genotype diet, a little of the Specific Carb Diet.  Currently, I am raw vegan again - who knows one day, I may change it back, don't know.  Right now, am on the "Rawsome Diet" or known as the Raw Food diet - very simple indeed and takes time to find what suits my own system.  I found the animal proteins and fats affected me badly - liver, pancreas and bowels I think, ie cystisis/bladder infections twice within two months, gums bleeding and swollen gums on lower teeth, hair became dryer, painful scalp, more fatigue, sluggish elimination and constipation, more moody/grumpy, more headaches/migraine.
For now folks on this wonderful site, am having a go at raw vegan after obtaining a second book by the well known Dr Norman W. Walker, 'Vegetarian Guide to Diet and Salads'.  One of his other books, 'Colon Health' was also excellent.  I also have some books from Tonya ([url=http://www.beautifulonraw.com] - Raw Food Diet - Health and Natural Beauty. For now, I start the day with juice of one lemon around 6am, a fresh raw veggie juice about 7am, another fresh veg juice about 11:00am with some soaked nuts such as almonds, brazils, hazelnut, walnut, pecan.  I may add fresh coconut soon. Around 3pm, I eat fresh fruit, then make a green smoothie - fruit blended with green leafy veg such as baby spinach or kale / sea vegetables ie wakame or arame, a smaller veggie juice (more celery and cucumber, with maybe a little apple and carrot) around 5:30pm.  If I am away from home, I just take fruits/veg/salad - today I am out and have some fresh live sprouted mung bean sprouts with me in my lunch salad.  As I learn more, I may change it around, as only am starting on raw, before I used to have a lot of cooked food and animal fats which affect pancreas & liver).  I have more energy now, can focus well in the mornings especially, elimination is improving, sleep is getting better and deeper, mood is better, headaches are less, bleeding gums have stopped, my hair on scalp is getting fuller and softer, facial skin is softer, the night sweats have mostly disappeared (were getting worse with each year for several years; these sweats started when I was in my twenties so is not just due to menopause or hormonal issues).  I get enough fat by eating olives, avocados, soaked nuts, and naturally occuring fats in fruit/veggies/sea veg.  I don't need extra cholesterol as my body makes all that it needs already. I don't miss dairy or ghee at all - migraines used to happen with dairy which clogs up system, my liver and pancreas are happy I am sure, and love it that I don't need to cook or wash up greasy pans or buy/cut up meats which I found so very hard - (I still need to buy some for my dear cat though)   Well, this is how I feel now - I'm sure you will wish me the best as I move forward and give this a decent try) saving on energy/utility bills. I am patient and continue to research on nutrition by reading, and know that as the months go by, my other issues and weight will normalise and improve. Different foods/diets suit different people.  I hope to continue to still check in from time to time with this site as learning from others and Dr D is good too - keeping an open mind/ being flexible important to me anyway.  Best regards & take care on your journey.
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Quoted from kitari
If I had my wish I would be a vegetarian.  I love eating beans and nuts and cheese and grains.  And I love the idea of not harming animals and would eschew meat, fish, poultry on those grounds. My body wants some animal protein though, and NOT CHEESE. ha. I also seem to get allergies (rashes, headaches, congestion)from many nuts and legumes. At first I thought I was a Hunter but after a few years trying out different adjustments to that diet I think I may be an Explorer, someday I hope to get a Swami and secretor test.  I have an odd assortment of fingerprints, very bad reactions to caffeine, negative blood type, and bone mesurements that fit an Explorer.
The worst food offenders for me are gluten(celiac disease), dairy products, soy, potatoes, and pork.  Foods my body seems to love are turkey, brown rice, broccoli, greens and lettuce. I eat a lot of homemade soups and salads and make brown rice breads to eat with those so I don't really have a huge slab of meat at meals...mostly vegetables, brown rice, and some turkey or fish.  Sometimes I get a craving for a hamburger or a steak and I have one.  I get a good deal of regular exercise which I think helps my body function better.  So though I'm not eating vegan or vegetarian anymore I'm not killing hundreds of animals each year to sustain my body and I feel good about that. I try to eat just what I need to maintain good health.


This sounds like alot of what works for me except the rice. I think my body wants the protein, so I need to listen to it, but if i could, i would live on veggies. However, i am doing better with psychological aspect of eating fish. I always forget about turkey and then i eat chicken which does not feel too good for me.

I am still working on staying in the moment and not eating alot at one time. how much do you workout?
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I think the reason so many O's are attracted to vegetarianism is due to grains. Grains, esp. wheat, are addictive....really. I understand they have opiatelike substances that O's are less adapted to....so we start loving that kind of food....and craving it.

This is so true. My ex was an O an he could not go one meal without bread or he was grumpy. My son in law, type O, openly admits to being addicted to wheat even though he thinks the BTD makes sense.


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Quoted from marjorie


how much do you workout?


I walk at least 2 miles every day, three times a week I do HIIT for 15-20 minutes, and 3 times a week I do about 30 minutes of arm and ab exercises mostly pilates.

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Hi,

I could pick a sentence or two or three or whole paragraphs out of every single post above- that was me also!
People would always tell me I looked sick and I would always ignore them- sure wasn't I eating healthy wholemeal bread and lots of calcium rich cheese!

I had stopped the meat, thinking it wasn't doing me any harm and for the whole 'feed a small planet' idea and then, i didn't like the way animals were kept and their fear at slaughter time.

I still have issues with that and try to buy organic whenever I can afford- organic animals are slaughtered more humanely- that is rigorously checked!

If I thought I was tough enough, I'd keep my own livestock in order to have control over how they die, but I am 98% sure I would not be able to slaughter an animal once I cared for it and then eat it.
So, organic it has to be, or what helps me too, is 'give Thanks' to the animal on your plate, which died for you so you can be healthy.
Don't waste meat, even use the bones to make broth.
It does take so much more grain to make the same weight meat.

And finally, stick to the portion sizes.
In reality, the O diet is lots and lots of veggies   with a bit of meat/ fish/ poultry on the side.

We are all with you 100% of your way  


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Organic just means they where fed organic feed-- maybe you want to look at grass fed animals instead?


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Organic just means they where fed organic feed-- maybe you want to look at grass fed animals instead?


Whenever possible, go to the farm where the animals were raised, talk to the farmer or rancher, find out your source, buy local!


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Wow.... I really need to check in with the forum! This is an inspiration.

I keep reading about how 'bad' eating meat is, and I really want to lose the weight, but staying healthy is the key!

Lots of veggies and then small to moderate portions of protein seeems to work.
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Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Organic just means they where fed organic feed-- maybe you want to look at grass fed animals instead?


I know that. But what the animal eats does not influence the way it is slaughtered- grass fed does not mean it doesn't go to a regular slaughter house, or does it??
Organic meat has to meet different standards as far as the killing of the animal is concerned- that is the way it is in Europe anyway. USA may be different
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I would think one would be concerned how the animal lived its life-- in a lot or in the grass?



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Ok so... I sent my husband who is an O and has been slowly trying to eat less and less meat sources of all types and he's agreed to not stop eating turkey, fish, and chicken. However he won't eat meat.  So as an O is there anything I should give him in his supp's (i.e. amino acid's), that will help this meat red exclusion?
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Taurine comes to mind.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I would think one would be concerned how the animal lived its life-- in a lot or in the grass?


Since I always lived in rural Europe, that never was an issue- all cattle are out on grass- it's cheaper!

I do not know how I would decide if I lived in the States...

PS: this discussion isn't really about my original point anyway, as all this only came up, because I gave the slaughtering as a reason why I gave up meat 25 years ago pre BTD. I am on the BTD-> GTD-> SWAMI since 1998 and loving it

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Ok so... I sent my husband who is an O and has been slowly trying to eat less and less meat sources of all types and he's agreed to not stop eating turkey, fish, and chicken. However he won't eat meat.  So as an O is there anything I should give him in his supp's (i.e. amino acid's), that will help this meat red exclusion?


Some fish are very good sources of protein for an O, such as cod.
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Ruthie - thank you for your post - the part about discovering that being vegetarian made you feel that you were trying to be holier than G-d, really hit home for me - thank you!

On the bone broth, I have just placed an order for 12 lbs of beef soup bones from a local clean/ethical rancher (only 99 cents a pound!!!).  

About raw veganism - I have been there and done that, and yes, it improved my health for a time, but the longer I stayed on it, the more I noticed my health was ultimately declining - brain fog, memory issues, weakness...so why did it work at first?  Because it completely cut out all refined foods, dairy, and gluten and it gave my body the cleanse it needed at the time.  I just should have reincorporated (cooked) meat and laid off the sunflower seeds (cheap high dollar nut substitution).

This has been a very enlightening thread and I thank you all for your contributions!!!  
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There could be many reasons why raw vegan worked well at first. Best to get your hands on some good books on living cuisine, rawesome diet, raw foodists etc.  the body takes time to adjust to any change in diet, and some constitutional types find it a bit harder, this is covered in Gab Cousen's (MD) book, 'Conscious Eating'.  Sometimes there can be weaknesses in any gland or organ due to the norm of eating cooked foods for a lifetime along with dairy and animal proteins/fats. With me, my pancreas is one such organ which has suffered as well as liver/kidneys,intestines, and so it is good to make a commitment if this is the way one wants to go.  'Quantum Eating' by Tonya (sorry, forget her surname - http://www.beautifulonraw.com  -  covers many topics also.  Search for the other good sites from people who commit to the raw lifestyle and do very well.  The body can make protein from a good variety of different vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds.  Green smoothies and raw vegetable juices are very helpful to make sure all nutrients are available and to prevent lack of any specific nutrients.  I eat avocado, olives, coconut oil, soaked nuts and seeds, and make sure I juice every day, plus green smoothies. I will resume fasting for one day per week this weekend as this is very good for strengthening the digestive system and getting rid of old toxins.  Not everyone will agree, but I simply can't eat animal flesh protein as I know that cooking it changes the amino acids, essential fatty acids, etc.  I found it hard to buy it, yet along cook it and eat it.  Right now, the raw juicing is helping a lot to fill in the gaps and great for making sure plenty of good enzymes are in my system to actually digest the food I eat.  Exercise is also essential for good assimilation of our food.
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http://carrie-lehtonen.healthc.....not-to-be-vegetarian

In this blog she mentions an herb that Dr. D recommends for O vegetarians-- but of course the best is to include red meat in the diet.


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Some place in here he has a blog on  the herb-- someone would need to search for it. http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php?blog=27


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