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CoachAng
Saturday, January 19, 2013, 10:34pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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What worries me is this.  As soon as I eat protein, my liver hurts, literally, in 20-35 minutes.  I can feel my liver and kidneys ache and have to sit with a heating pad.  BUT, I am willing to try again for 2-3, maybe 4 weeks to get this under control again.  I did this already back in August, so I am not sure what happened to make me worse, not better.  

Do you have a diet recommendation for me to start with?  It sounds like you did not use ER4YT in the initial few weeks.  Did you slowly transition to it, though?  How did you do that transition without tailspinning back into full- blown candida?  How did you know you had it?  Not one of my docs believes in it, let alone treat me for it or get a script for Nystatin.  How long did you take Nystatin?  How long did it take for you to recover?  Just trying to wrap my hands around this to give it my best shot.  If necessary, can I personal message you for guidance?

Thanks so much!  I wish I could just follow ER4YT.  It would be SO EASY for me to do that.  I love quinoa, rice, grains, fruit, veggies......I just am not sure it is the right answer right now.    
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Forgot to say, no I am not taking a probiotic any longer.  After the incident with the food intolerances after doubling up on probiotics, I quit.  Was not sure why the reaction occurred.  Now I am learning it may have been intense die-off reactions that my liver could not handle - I guess the liver was already congested with all the chicken/protein I was consuming prior to that.  My probiotic had the following strains:  lactobacillus acidophilus, lactobacillus paracasei, bifidobacterium lactis, bifidobacterium bifidum, lactobacillus plantarum, lactobacillus rhamnosus, saccharomyces boulardii for a total of 22 billion cfu.  Are any of these strains bad for blood type A?  Thanks SO SO MUCH!!!!!
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I would never have gotten over Candida if I had eaten grains of any type, starchy veggies and fruits for those first few weeks.   ...  

It takes a lot of grit and determination......

I understand all of the above...  I also understand that if she has other problems that we don't know about, she may not get better because something else needs attention before the body can fight the candida effectively...  

Going too low carb for too long can have major effects on the ability to function at all...  I had to start rebuilding cellular energy using D-Ribose (a precursor to ATP).  Usual dose to start is about a tsp./3x/day, but I could only handle a pinch per day at first without having major herxing...  

She ultimately has to do what she thinks or have confirmation from her Dr.  Unfortunately, it sounds like her Dr. isn't doing her any good, so ???


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Forgot to say, no I am not taking a probiotic any longer.  After the incident with the food intolerances after doubling up on probiotics, I quit.  My probiotic had the following strains:  lactobacillus acidophilus, lactobacillus paracasei, bifidobacterium lactis, bifidobacterium bifidum, lactobacillus plantarum, lactobacillus rhamnosus, saccharomyces boulardii for a total of 22 billion cfu.  Are any of these strains bad for blood type A?

Lactobacillus rhamnosus is in the Polyflora O from Dr. D.

Lactobacillus plantarum and Bifidobacterium bifidum are in the Polyflora A.

The rest are not included in any of the Polyflora blends.

We also don't know if there was some prebiotic in the blend from a "problem" source that was causing problems...


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CoachAng
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ABJoe, Yes, going too low-carb is a problem for me.  Back in Aug when the doc limited my diet, my thyroid was doing fine.  After 4 weeks, my thyroid took a major turn for the worse.  Since that time, it has been a downward spiral, and fast.  I am now sensitive to carbs when I eat them, regardless of the source.  If I eat too much fruit, I get a shakey, jittery feeling.  Too much rice pasta the same thing happens.  I think the grains affect me more than the fruit.  Not sure if that is because of the enzymes in fruit or not.  Either way, I never had a sensitivity to carbs until this restricted diet the doc put me on.  It was the worst thing ever for me.  Unfortunately, I am not sure I will recover.  If I need low carb to kick the candida, then my thyroid will not heal which will then lead to all these probs all over again.    ?????????
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Welcome CoachAng,
I feel so sorry for what you are going through..just reading through all these posts.....
made me remember when I first started BTD ..sort of..in 2000. I dabbled with the A diet after reading ER4YT. It wasn't easy after eating for years like an O!!!
Then I read the Genotype book...and tested out as a teacher. I wanted to get rid of severe sinus problems and lose a little weight. Then I saw an ND, had the IgE blood allergy test done..and everything I had read from Dr. D was true to my type! I finally get my swami 2 years ago and am so thankful I did. I lost the extra 15 pounds for good (although chicken or wheat makes it creep up) and helped my sinuses..at least I found out the real issues.
Anyway, I have had the phlegm you described as well as some of your numerous symptoms.
My 2 cents:
Read Dr. D's books
Try to at least buy the basic polyvite, polyflora, phytocal for A blood from NAP
(You can add others later...proberry, genoma derma( stopped my hair from falling out), deflect is awesome for many reasons!)
Stop eating chicken or any meat 3x a day..AHH! You cannot tolerate all that animal flesh! I eat turkey or fish once a day at most!
Do not work out like an O blood type! I used to do that and had bad results!I found yoga/walking/weight training to be all I need!
I truly think the NAP supp "cortiguard" can help you..it did me.
I am wishing you the best! Do not give up...it does get better!


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I know we all are going to have our own opinions on what supplements are the 'bottom line' for you at this time, CoachAng, but for what it's worth, here is my list:

Polyflora A
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BT003A

Intrinsia
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP054

Deflect A
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BT004A

ARA6
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP001

And this one, which is not one of Dr. D's formulas, but I'm mentioning it anyway because I was unable to completely kick my decades-old candida overgrowth until I added it to the above list (modified for my own blood type).
Candidase
http://www.enzymedica.com/products/Candidase

I know how the cost of supplements can add up, especially when you are paying for a doctor's services at the same time.  Just read over the descriptions and see which ones "speak" to you.  Start where you can - and gradually fine-tune your regime as you go along.  

And I sure would like to see you find out your secretor status because it would cut through a lot of guesswork.  Again, finances must be considered, I do understand.



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I've had an excess of Candida in my body numerous times over the years. There are a couple of things that cause a flare-up: excess "sugar", which means too much of anything that causes my body to convert them to sugar; and remedies that work for me: NAP's Genoma EQ, along with Caprylic Acid (and avoiding those things mentioned above, of course!). Two most noticeable symptoms are a "burning" smell in my nostrils, and itchy ears. For the ears, I put raw, virgin coconut oil in my ears when they are itchy, and that usually takes care of them overnight. I haven't found a solution to the smell problem, other than to avoid eating the offending foods...


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Drea,

It just got on and read this post from a new type A bloodtype trying to manuever through the bloodtype diet way of eating.  It is very daunting in the beginning and even now sometimes.

Anyway, I was struck about your post stating that you had candida at certain times.  One of the symptoms you mentioned was "itchy ears".  

This may have nothing whatsoever to do with candida because I have been dealing with a bacterial skin condition on my leg for quite some time.  But one of the symptoms that has cropped up in the last few months were very itchy ears.  Usually the top half of the left ear and when I cautiously use a Q tip (I know you're not supposed to use them at all but I do) the canal is very itchy.  And that's with both ears.  

How did you know that itchy ears (I don't have the burning smell in my nostrils at all ) was a symptom of candida?  I never heard that but still....

This is totally new to me but I need to know.  Thanks for any feedback you can give me.

Joy
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I understand all of the above...  I also understand that if she has other problems that we don't know about, she may not get better because something else needs attention before the body can fight the candida effectively...  

Going too low carb for too long can have major effects on the ability to function at all...  I had to start rebuilding cellular energy using D-Ribose (a precursor to ATP).  Usual dose to start is about a tsp./3x/day, but I could only handle a pinch per day at first without having major herxing...  

She ultimately has to do what she thinks or have confirmation from her Dr.  Unfortunately, it sounds like her Dr. isn't doing her any good, so ???

It does sound as if he has ruled out a lot of things. I certainly hope so. I really do feel for her because I can understand the way the condition can almost bring your brain to a standstill sometimes. I have relived some of that trauma this past afternoon.  


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What worries me is this.  As soon as I eat protein, my liver hurts, literally, in 20-35 minutes.  I can feel my liver and kidneys ache and have to sit with a heating pad.  BUT, I am willing to try again for 2-3, maybe 4 weeks to get this under control again.  I did this already back in August, so I am not sure what happened to make me worse, not better.  

Do you have a diet recommendation for me to start with?  It sounds like you did not use ER4YT in the initial few weeks.  Did you slowly transition to it, though?  How did you do that transition without tailspinning back into full- blown candida?  How did you know you had it?  Not one of my docs believes in it, let alone treat me for it or get a script for Nystatin.  How long did you take Nystatin?  How long did it take for you to recover?  Just trying to wrap my hands around this to give it my best shot.  If necessary, can I personal message you for guidance?

Thanks so much!  I wish I could just follow ER4YT.  It would be SO EASY for me to do that.  I love quinoa, rice, grains, fruit, veggies......I just am not sure it is the right answer right now.    

They only recommended the very strict diet for two or three weeks. Then certain things are gradually added, and you keep close track of how your body responds. Every few days you add other foods, etc. I was permanently off milk (isn't it wonderful that Dr. D.'s diet fit like a glove with that and every other food I shouldn't eat?) When I found his diet, it was like FINALLY coming home!! So you don't have to worry about that. BTW, before I go any further you can send messages any time you want. I will be unavailable most of the day tomorrow, but should be able to respond tomorrow night.

Can you say exactly which proteins you were eating when your liver hurt? Of all the books I have this is the one I used when I was on the first part of the diet: http://www.amazon.com/Yeast-Sy.....s=the+yeast+syndrome
It is only $8.00 and you might even get it cheaper at half.com. I followed it religiously. Some of the supplements are pretty outlandish, but I took them anyway. We did have Caprylic Acid back then too. At the time, I was able to eat beef without noticeable problems. It is an absolute avoid for me on the Dr. D. diet and also from experience. But I survived and got the Candida under control.
I took Nystatin for several months, but you very likely won't have to take it. I have no clue what it might cost now, but when I was taking it, our insurance was paying $300 per bottle for it. Later, when our insurance didn't cover it anymore, our druggist sold it to me at one cent above cost which was $100 per bottle. A bottle lasted about a month. So you really don't want to have to take that if at all possible! There are so many helpful things connected with Dr. D's diet, not only the diet itself, but the supplements. When I had Candida it was almost back in the dark ages as far as getting any help except from reading books. I was very fortunate to have a doctor whose head was not like a brick wall.

The way I finally knew what was wrong me is some story! A friend was visiting in another state and learned about this problem from a friend there. This friend found out about the books and told me that they thought this is what I had. There is a long list of questions in this book that leave no doubts about what you have! Good luck! We'll be in touch later...

I hope you can get the book soon so you can read what these experts have to say and be SURE to bookmark any passages you might find more helpful than others, because when you are having a die-off, as you know, you can't think straight and finding something can be VERY frustrating!! You may be able to find it at a bookstore.


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Is that test a basic test to determine supps one might need on this regimen?


did you follow the steps given?

try it and find out if targeted to your needs, for starts


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CoachAng
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Lola, Yes, I followed the steps and it gave me a list of supps and some food ideas for starters.  Is this what I was supposed to get from the test?  I do not know yet if I am a secretor.  By what I've read, I am guessing I am a non.  
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CoachAng
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Thank you all SO SO MUCH!  I think for starters I need to get the basic group of supps for a Type A and get going on that process.  I will also seek out the book The Yeast Syndrome.  I used to have the itchy throat and ears with mucus in both areas, but I do not any longer.  My scalp itches though but that could be due to a number of things, too.  I do have many other symptoms, though.

My liver hurts when I eat pretty much anything.  I sometimes wonder if my liver was the prob from the beginning since it is responsible for cleansing the blood, regulating hormones, processing carbs, fat, sugar, etc.  I probably overwhelmed it with stress, workouts, animal meat (even though I removed the fat and drank skim milk) that my body could not process in excess, etc.  Now when I eat, I can literally feel it in my back.  I tried those homemade liver flushes, but honestly I am scared to do it again.

My workouts used to be intense and against what BTD recommends.  I was squatting with 100+ lbs on my back, running sprints, half marathons, weighted crunches, and I worked out 6 days a week, sometimes pulling 2 workouts per day (light cardio upon rising, intense workout in evening). I am a fitness coach for an on-line coaching community and was doing P90X and other workouts produced by that company.  I consider some of them to be bootcamp-style workouts.  Probably did not  help with the heavy animal protein consumption, I am convinced of that now.  

Another question, do any of you drink the broth from the chicken you boil? I have read where it is beneficial for gut health and healing leaky gut.  My doc had me doing this and I did have reactions, but not sure if it was from the broth since I pretty much react to everything.  

I am currently taking digestive enzymes, Hcl when I eat protein, fish oil (Carlsons), colostrum, l-glutamine (the last two are for leaky gut and the colostrum has helped a small bit with the rash), magnesium, b-complex on occassion, milk thistle sometimes, molybdenum sometimes, vitamin d drops (doc had my dose so high my vit d levels went from a low 25 to apprx 140 in a matter of a few months - then was experiencing toxicity issues from it and think that added to my liver pain), and more.  The reason I say sometimes is I skip some occassionally as I feel like I take so much stuff.  When this issue started back in May, I took absolutely no meds - I was healthy and vibrant, outside of the nightsweats, mucus production, and a few other symptoms.  I felt like a 20+ year old - no health issues.  

I want to again say how grateful I am to all your feedback!    Every piece of information will help me get to the other side of this issue.  I am glad to hear others are feeling better with the BTD approach.      
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Usually the best place to start is at the beginning.

That means concentrate on beneficial foods. You can select up to a few of what look like the most likely supplements to help.

I would concentrate on the diet for a couple weeks and see what happens. If you know you can't eat something, then don't eat it.

If your situation is so serious that you can't start with a couple weeks of basic diet, I really doubt that a self-help message board is your best resource.

Things will clarify over time. Don't work on everything at once. It takes time to heal, start with what you know and focus on one or two things at the most.
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I do not know yet if I am a secretor.  By what I've read, I am guessing I am a non.  


Please no guessing  

So many have been wrong--



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Thank you!  I promise, no guessing...    I will start at the beginning and try the basic approach and see if I see progress.  I will look into the basic supplements and move forward from there.  I think this is the correct approach.  I do not want to jump in and do the SWAMI (wish I could) and find out my symptoms do not improve with the basic BTD approach.  I am still going to minimize my carbs/fruit for now, but not totally eliminate them.  Unfortunately, when I do not eat grains, my thyroid becomes hypo and my hair starts falling out.  I have been without grains for almost a week and I noticed lots of hair in the shower again this AM.  I just have to find my balance somehow.  
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I looked back at my calendar and I should add that when I went no grain back in August, I was only able to eat coconut flour, garbanzo flour, and almond flour. Now I know that coconut and garbanzo flours were no-no's for A's.  I did not eat any other sources of grain/carb except for veggies for almost 10-12 weeks!  This is when everything went really bad for me.  That is when ketosis set in and I was muscle wasting away.  My body has a lot to recover from......
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10619390


If it works in mice-- good chance it works in us .

Great for A's--


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If it works in mice-- good chance it works in us


If it works in mice, then it works in mice. It may work in humans or other animals.


There have been numerous and notable failures of things that work in mice to work in humans. That is because mice are not humans.

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of mice and men.......


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Just said a "good chance"--  

I remember Dr. D saying once that he we should erect a statue to the mouse for all he/she has done for us.

Lloyd mice make very good study subjects for humans-- it is ok if you don't think so. But this works well in A's I have that on good advice.



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Just said a "good chance"--  

I remember Dr. D saying once that he we should erect a statue to the mouse for all he/she has done for us.

Lloyd mice make very good study subjects for humans-- it is ok if you don't think so.


Actually they do make good study subjects.

That is why nearly all drugs that go into FDA trials for humans are tested in mice first.

Most drugs fail FDA tests for humans.  

If you look at it from that perspective, the chances aren't very good. I should remind you that when you start talking abount changing the function of the thyroid it is a drug. Even if it is herbal and even if it is not controlled by the FDA.

Which is not to say the herb won't be helpful - or that it will.
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Hi Angie,

I used to be a "gym rat" too-  spent hours at the gym, was in the best shape of my life- my blood tests came back terrific.  I too thought I was healthy, but I now look back on it, and my diet was not so healthy.  I used to consume a ton of sugar just to "energize" those long workouts.  Eventually it caught up to me too-  with a thyroid/adrenal meltdown.  It had taken me years to figure it all out-  finally narrowing it down to a combination of Dr. Mark Hyman's
"Ultrametabolism" diet, later to be fine-tuned with Dr D'Adamo's Bloodtype/Genotype Diet.
Ultrametabolism is very Blood Type A compatable, which is why I have had so much success with it.  You may want to check out the book for the information provided on many conditions, incl leaky gut and liver issues.  You may also want to take an IgG test for food allergies, if you haven't already done so.  Trust us-  you will feel better !! : )


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If you can swing it, get the secretor test done ASAP. In the meantime, you may want to stay away from the foods that are avoids for A secretors and A non-secretors, while making sure to eat plenty of beneficial foods (if it's beneficial for nonnies OR secretors, and neutral for the other one, consider it a "beneficial food" for now.)

It's important that you eat enough total food, or your body won't have the fuel it needs for healing. It's more important to nourish yourself than it is to starve the candida, if you're given a choice between the two.

How do you feel when you eat beans or nuts? Does that protein bother you? Do the carbs from that bother you? The A diet should be very heavily focused on beans and veggies- a salad with beans in it, or a soup with lots of veggies plus beans, is a very complete meal for you. If you're worried about starchy veggies messing up the candida, then emphasize green veggies and lower the portions of the starchier ones.

Are you actually having symptoms recur when you eat starchy foods like carrots, or are you just afraid that those foods will set off the candida again? You may not actually have a problem with many of the "foods you think you're supposed to avoid on the anti-candida diet". This is especially likely to be true for "beneficial" foods for your blood type; when you fully digest something, there's less left over to feed microbes.

It's likely that you have gut damage right now, and you may need supplements to heal that. Diet can do an awful lot for healing and it's wonderful for prevention and long-term maintenance, but it isn't always enough to fully heal deep problems.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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