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D.L.
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How important is it to eat any grains if someone has allergic reactions to all grains and can't find any to eat? I am allergic to glutin and gliadin (a type of protein in wheat).  In folks who are sensitive to glutin, the presence of gliadin, secalin (in rye), hordein (in barley), and sometimes avenin (in oats) in the small itestine can cause the immune system to produce antibodies, leading to intestine damage. I do have leaky gut. Apparently all grains, even rice and corn, contain prolamins and glutelins that can trigger autoimmune responses. Even rice, which is touted as glutin free, causes me digestive problems. Example: A couple of evenings ago I cooked some long grain brown rice, something I hadn't done for quite a while. Talk about pain in the stomach all night long! I couldn't sleep and my heart pounded. And my pulse was 94 even before I got out of bed the next morning. The only thing I haven't tried yet is amaranth. Corn doesn't seem to give me a problem that I can identify, but I worry about GMO corn. I'm very alleric to soy, so no GMO worries there, as I don't eat soy. I crave bread products, but seldom give in. So, my question is, what if I don't eat any grains? I'm also allergic to dairy, eggs, sunflower, soy, walnuts, and a few other things.
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I don't have a problem with corn either..except it causes weight gain so I'll get it at the movies occassionally. I tried the corn pasta and I gained weight from it.  I would suggest that you eat all of your beneficials and diamonds that you can that you are not allergic too and don't bother with the neutrals. (Now this is of course if you're looking to increase your health or lose weight)  It doesn't sound like you have problems with vegetables and being an Explorer you get meat.  
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Yes, Mayflowers, I can eat most vegetables, (I have trouble with beans and other starches), some fruits,(not tropical nor bananas) and meats, although my Swami limits my types of meat and I hate fish. I do eat corn occasionally, but not often, as I am pre-diabetic. I eat a good bit of peanut butter on apples, almonds, and peanuts. I just feel like I am missing out on nutrients by not eating grains and the other things I am allergic to and the things Swami says avoid and the beneficials I can't have. I ordered some Pea powder that came in today to try with flax or hemp milk and (rotated) blended berries. Maybe that will work. I get so hungry and my food choices are so limited. I've been taking glutamine powder, suggested by my doctor, along with other supplements to help heal my leaky gut.
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Are those all things you have been tested for, allergy wise? If not could you tell us your reactions? As Dr. D said it almost never happens that someone that is Type A secreter is reactive. They are usually receptive. Which means that their problems are not expressed with such immediacy concerning immune system.

Your reaction sounds like blood sugar issues as much as allergies. You didn't have any of these sensitivities when young, but they all show up as you get older? As I said before maybe some care towards the affects of aging might be wise, like sugar removal geno-harmonics in SWAMI.

Are you getting any source of Omega 3? Another member here has significantly lowered blood pressure with it.

No grains? Depends. You might do alright, but you might slowly deteriorate your body some more; or rather build up ill effects.

What are you doing for leaky gut? Do you take Intrinsa? I have discovered the importance of the connection to Vitamin A and a dry digestive system, and of course leaky gut (it seems). Not only can your digestive track be deteriorated from consume say wheat, but if you are low on vitamin A or your body doesn't convert it to a retinol/retinal form then you don't have the natural mucous layer for protection. It would be an essay to explain the difference in supplementing some vitamin A retinol for my digestion along with Intrinsa. Intrinsa for me purged a bacterial issue I believe. I would feel drunk before I went, and when I did, well it had stringy bits of fecal look all over. Happened a few times. Now my stress levels are way, way lower. Vitamin A from Beta-Carotine barely has an affect on me; for whatever reason my body doesn't like to make the conversion I guess. It explains my previous preference for better digestion from consuming a lot of eggs, poultry, and yogurt (all of which I barely need in my diet if really at all but have active version of Vitamin A).
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I just feel like I am missing out on nutrients by not eating grains and the other things I am allergic.


But if you eat the allergens, then you will react to them so they're not good for you anyway..right?  I was born 95 precent allergic according to my mother but I grew out of most of it.., For this reason, I take vitamins and supplements to help give me the nutrients I'm missing from the allergin foods.  The fact that I am now gluten intolerant..and oat intolerant is opening up a new world of other grains for me that I wasn't eating. Now I eat amaranth, quinoa, and buckwheat which I didn't eat before and they are beneficial for me. But many  of the beneficial grains for Warriors, I'm allergic too. Waddya gonna do? We're all individual right? If I didn't go on Atkins I probably would never have triggered my gluten intolerance gene. I really needed to be following the BTD since I was a lot younger.. 20's maybe, because now I started it at 49, and Dr. D said I probably can't reverse my genes because I'm older. I can only hope to keep the disease genes like diabetes, etc.. from activating.
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Dr. D said I probably can't reverse my genes because I'm older. I can only hope to keep the disease genes like diabetes, etc.. from activating.


Really? Being a Warrior is such c**p.
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Yes, DoS. Not only various skin tests through the years but also two IgG blood tests a year apart. Gluten, gliadin, eggs, and dairy were my worse food allergies on all tests. Skin tests also said oysters, goat milk, and peaches. There were a number of other things on my blood tests that surprised me, although I recall getting headaches from orange juice and bananas. I'm going to take another test in June. Symptoms include ear aches, sinus headaches and congestion, thick phlegm down my throat, digestion issues, extremely rapid pulse, which I should avoid because of my heart. Eggs will shoot my pulse up to 125 and gluten to 110 or higher within seconds and make my chest hurt. Walnuts give me lots of canker sores and a sore tongue. Sunflower anything makes the back of my throat and tongue break out with big sores. My children also have a lot of allergies.
     I get Omega 3 with fish oil every day and sometimes flax also. I get vitamin A in my eye supplements. I take glutamine powder, occasionally probiotics, and digestive enzymes for my gut, and lots of other supplements for my heart. I have had these allergic problems all my life and I was sick with a lot with sinus trouble and earaches almost every day, but we thought it was just from inhalants back then, and the poisonous spray the planes dropped on the nearby orange groves, so I ate everything, including lots of eggs, sandwiches, milk. I read everything I can find on foods, nutrition, allergies, mitral valve prolapse, cholesterol, diabetes, blood pressure, etc. I have a bookcase full of books and newsletters on these subject, including everything from Dr. D., and a Swami. Still, I was wondering if I was missing some important nutrients by not eating some kind of grain. I guess it's not worth it. I sure would love an omelet or grilled cheese sandwich, but no, no. It's another salad for me. Am I turning into a bunny rabbit? Oh, and smoke, whether from someone smoking or my neighbor's fireplace, gives me migraines, so we don't use our fireplace.
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Mayflowers - I even get reactions to quinoa and buckwheat. I've tried them several times. I guess all those years I ate the foods bad for me really caught up with me and it will take a while to heal. Thank goodness for Dr. D. My fingerprints are starting to come back.  
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There is a massive difference in the types of Vitamin A. Retinol/retinal are found in animal products and are active forms. The other one is not active and has to be converted. But I don't know if your digestion is bad in the way that I'd recommend Vitamin A, like mine was. If it seems utterly dry, then yes. How to discern that is hard. For me having a BM was slowed down some, not as clean, and like dry mush. My stomach when I ate anything seemed like if I burped, powder from a supplement would come back up. It was all very dry...

If you are really not interested in sugar removal geno-harmonics, you could also try the cellular drink. It just seems clear that despite all the good things you are eating, your system is not responding very well in order to make good changes. Also insulin reception has a lot to do with cell quality. It is just very clear that the blood sugar situation is hurting you, a lot. You may not be allergic to the grains you have not tested to be, but just very insulin resistant.

The liver is clearly responsible for a lot of the function. I hope you do good things for it. But your immune system is very much in overdrive still. Your system must still be fairly toxic. Do you exercise and work up a sweat? Do you eat anti-oxidant foods? Green tea?

Perhaps some Blue Tea is just what you need for some relief as you improve. It is very good tasting, zero caffeine.
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Corn doesn't seem to give me a problem that I can identify, but I worry about GMO corn.
You can buy organic to avoid the GMO issue.



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No, I don't drink green tea. Heart doctor said no caffeine. I only drink water, sometimes with a little lemon. I eat everything recommended by my Swami that I can find around here, except for allergens. I know I am pre-diabetic so I try to balance my glycemic foods.  My liver was inflamed after taking a round of beta blockers and statins, so I gave those up and take red yeast rice and milk thistle. Liver tests fine now. I take ubiquinol, l-carnitine, and a number of other supplements. I walk on my treadmill for exercise. I can't lean over, only stoop, because my heart acts up if I lean over too far. I didn't have heart trouble until I had some bad virus that attacked my heart and mitral valve. But, since my mom and grandpa died of heart disease, I probably inherited the genes. Brett - I haven't seen any organic corn products around here, so may have to go online.
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How important is it to eat any grains if someone has allergic reactions to all grains and can't find any to eat? I am allergic to glutin and gliadin (a type of protein in wheat).  


I found that I could live quite well without grains.

Now that I have been on SWAMI for a while I have been able to incorporate more grains in my diet.

I do best with Teff.

Quinoa and Sorghum also work.

Amaranth to a lesser extent.

I also use Lentil Flour and flaxseed meal, but you may not consider these grains.


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As an explorer you you might also want to consider Fonio, millet, Job's tears, powdered kudzu, or cassava.


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I've revisited this lately. I went totally grain-free (except quinoa which isn't technically a grain) for several months in 2010-11. I sure made some improvements. I eventually starting eating grains again (mostly rice) thereafter, thinking that I'd healed enough to digest them now, and in hindsight I can see that I've declined from doing so. I just quit cereal grains again as of January 3.

D.L., you're correct that the storage proteins in ungerminated grains are inflammatory for some people, and I doubt that germination completely fixes the problem for some grains (especially wheat).

I am also very sensitive to dairy and eggs. I'm sure it's because of the leaky gut situation. I'm confident that I'll be able to re-introduce them when my gut is healed, and that eliminating grains again will move me in that direction.

Interesting articles:

Gluten: No Grain, No Pain
Against the Grain: 10 Reasons to Give Up Grains
Are Traditionally Prepared Grains Healthy?
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According to Dr. D'Adamo, Type A's should not consume glutamine  as it raises cortisol levels. This could be affecting your pulse.  It is recommended for Type O's though.  

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No, I don't drink green tea. Heart doctor said no caffeine. I only drink water, sometimes with a little lemon. I eat everything recommended by my Swami that I can find around here, except for allergens. I know I am pre-diabetic so I try to balance my glycemic foods.


If your liver is doing fine, you really should look towards increasing insulin reception (sugar removal will help). By the way sugar removal refers to removing A.G.E.s, not blood sugar. A.G.E.'s attach to the outside of cells. They are not a very specific problem to Explorers, but anyone suffering from blood sugar issues and auto-immune is going to start collecting them more rapidly.

The pre-diabetic state is not healthy for the heart, as you've probably guessed. In fact recovering from a heart issue, or any issue, is much more difficult for anyone that is suffering from pre or diabetic issues. If your pancreas isn't severally damaged then there is certainly more than hope for some improvement; since you are only pre-diabetic it is probably fine.

The cellular drink might do you some great good. The point of it is to get cells metabolizing again and build up their membranes (for hormone reception etc).

Do you take any Methyl B12? CoQ10?

TJ, for some grains are not so great, for some of us they are life. D.L. is a secreter so if she had a compliant grain and was not pre-diabetic, she probably would have no problem.
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Yes, DoS, I take the sublingual Methyl B12 and CoQ10. What is "sugar removal"? I don't eat sugar nor anything packaged. Dianne - I didn't know that about glutamine. I've finished one small bottle of the powder, 1/2 tsp. per day in water on an empty stomach, because a naturopath recommended it to heal leaky gut. I'll not open the new bottle and see what happens.  
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I just looked up glutamine. Some websites say it's very beneficial, with no side effects unless you take too much. Other sites list a whole host of possible side effects, some of which are very serious. I'll have to look up to see what Dr. D. said about it and A's. My cortisol used to be good, but when I have the next blood test, it should tell me something.
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D.L., when you try grains, such as rice, quinoa, etc, do you soak them overnight and rinse well before cooking?

That Blue Tea that DOS provided a link for has no caffeine.  It is Gynostemma, and I drink it daily.  It's especially recommended for B's and AB's for reducing inflammation. I haven't seen any indication that it is bad for type A's.

By the way, there are brands of grains that are soaked and germinated, then dried before packaging.  TruRoots is one and I like their quinoa.  I find it easier to digest than regular quinoa.  They also sell germinated brown rice.



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You can sprout your own quinoa pretty easily, too. Quinoa isn't a cereal grain so I will permit it in my diet (sprouted) even though I've decided to go grain-free. I consider the sprouts more of a live food, and the sprouting process destroys most of the prolamine content.
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Yes, DoS, I take the sublingual Methyl B12 and CoQ10. What is "sugar removal"? I don't eat sugar nor anything packaged. Dianne - I didn't know that about glutamine. I've finished one small bottle of the powder, 1/2 tsp. per day in water on an empty stomach, because a naturopath recommended it to heal leaky gut. I'll not open the new bottle and see what happens.  


Sugar removal, is an option on SWAMIX, for geno-harmonic foods. It refers to removing advanced glycogen end-products. They are a sugar that latches onto cells. They can be a good platform for cancer; green tea pulls them off and thus is anti-cancer. However anything conflicting with regular cellular function can impair anything going on with cells including insulin reception. The advanced glycogen end-products are a consequence of different functions in the body; you don't directly eat them. For example cigarettes greatly increase A.G.E.s because they cause extra cellular death; hence smokers age faster because their bodies become inhibited quicker from regular function.

You could drink apple juice with cherry juice, or if you take quercetin have it with some cherry juice. SWAMIX will give you a lot more recommendations.

Gynostemma is also part of a warrior supplement. I love the taste of Blue Tea. It is a great option for something tasty and caffeine free.

D.L. do you have any water retention issues? Puffy/swelling in general? Anything indicating improper cellular water balance would be a good reason to do the cellular drink Dr. D recommends to some patients.
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Really? Being a Warrior is such c**p.


I really don't like being a Warrior. The strictest diet, the most unable to handle stress genotype... PLUS we are thrifty with the calories when we pass 50      I wish I was a Teacher.. or a B like I used to think I was..

You however DOS can still change your genes if you follow the diet and eat diamonds and beneficials.  You still have a chance.  If you have children, they won't inherit your disease genes.
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sinus headaches and congestion, thick phlegm down my throat,

Oh, I get that from dairy..

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Walnuts give me lots of canker sores and a sore tongue. Sunflower anything makes the back of my throat and tongue break out with big sores.

I get that symptom from eating coconut meat or coconut candy

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I get Omega 3 with fish oil every day and sometimes flax also.


I can't take fish oil. It raises my LDL and raises my BP.  Flax oil gives me a migraine. Can't take it. Ground flax is ok in small amounts. I tried the Flax bread a few times. The one that was all flax and it triggered bad anxiety attacks so I had to stop. Wheat triggers anxiety too.. I was just trying a selenium supplement 100 mcgs and I believe it triggered a migraine (sign of intolerance for me). So I'm afraid to take it. I was going to try a 1/2 a pill but these migraines last 2 days when I get them. I inherited that from my father who got migraines too. I have to be careful with digestive enzymes because some brands gave me migraines. I stick with papaya enzymes..

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Oh, and smoke, whether from someone smoking or my neighbor's fireplace, gives me migraines, so we don't use our fireplace.

Right now I'm in an apartment in a complex and the downstairs smoke stacks people smoke non stop and it creeps into my kitchen through the pipes and the dishwasher. It's like there's a smoker in my home!     My sinus is not happy.
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I just looked up glutamine. Some websites say it's very beneficial, with no side effects unless you take too much. Other sites list a whole host of possible side effects, some of which are very serious. I'll have to look up to see what Dr. D. said about it and A's. My cortisol used to be good, but when I have the next blood test, it should tell me something.


I tried it. I had to stop it because I didn't feel good on it. It gave me a 'sick' feeling.
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I really don't like being a Warrior. The strictest diet, the most unable to handle stress genotype... PLUS we are thrifty with the calories when we pass 50      I wish I was a Teacher..


This is exactly what my husband says....he doesn't like being a Warrior....he keeps asking me if
we can trade genotypes.  His diet doesn't even allow him chicken...his main grain is spelt...his
grain portions are limited because he's a nonnie, he doesn't like fish very much and soy foods, not at all, and is picky with vegetables...I think Warriors should have their own state...so they can all eat together and figure out how to cope with their toxins...  I almost feel guilty eating cheese when my husband gets none...he gets a few neutrals like cottage and ricotta and doesn't like either....He wants what I'm eating...I want to hide from him when I take a piece of manchego cheese out of the refrigerator...He looks at me with sad eyes...It's pathetic...makes me feel really bad for him.   I do feel sorry for Warriors...the diet is super restrictive!!!!



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