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I have another which one is better 'issue'...

Crown Prince is the only manufacturer I found selling skinless boneless sardines in a BPA-free can.  The problem is, they're lightly smoked.

The ones that are not smoked, are not in a BPA-free can.

Which ones would be more compliant?

Are there any other alternatives that I did not find?  I'm not willing to even consider eating skin and bones.

I plan to buy the ones in spring water and mix them with my own dressing.


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Smoked fish (or smoked anything) is a bigger avoid. have look into methanol and poison. IMO

BPA should be avoided if possible, IMO.

I had it in my head that fish is better preserved in olive oil if that is an option for you. but I suppose spring water would be better than sunflower oil IMO.


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I've been buying Season sardines in olive oil. I never thought to ask about the cans.


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Here's a link to a description of the differences in taste by brand:
http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/301342

Since smoke is carcinogenic, and I want to avoid cancer triggers, I'm inclined to go with the regular can.  BPA doesn't stay in the body long but if you're eating it every day, you're getting a fresh supply. BPA-free cans may have another toxin in them -- BPS -- which is worse than BPA!  http://www.rodale.com/10-food-label-lies?page=9

Only Eden Foods BPA-free cans are truly toxin-free and they don't sell seafood   

Glass would be best but no one sells sardines in glass.  I can find anchovies in glass but only packed in sunflower oil, an avoid for me.

I prefer water pack to oil pack, even EVOO pack, because the oil is never organic AND oil is known to leach BPA.  The water, on the other hand, might be laced with pharmaceuticals and heavy metals but it can be washed off.

Vital Choice is the only brand packed in organic EVOO and BPA-free cans but they're out of stock for the season They do offer albacore tuna packed that way and smaller tuna supposedly have less mercury.  Albacore is not listed as a SF for me, only skipjack and yellowfin, probably because of the mercury.

I did find an Italian skipjack tuna packed in water and in glass but it's prohibitively expensive at $14/7oz.  If it were a diamond, I could justify it, but it's only a SF.

Wild Planet offers low-mercury albacore tuna packed in glass with only sea salt for $6/4.5oz and free shipping. http://www.wildplanetfoods.com/store/wild-albacore-tuna-fillets-jar-4.html

Crown Prince states that the reason they don't offer more BPA-free cans is that much of their product is canned where it's caught and the processors don't have the capability.  I'm going to ask them why all their BPA-free products are smoked.  Do the BPA-free cans leach flavor that needs to be masked?

It's so hard to trust anything manufactured.  I wish there was a home-made alternative.  I bought some smelt last week but it grossed me out.  

I'm off to Whole Foods now to see what they stock.  


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You need to make the best choices possible out of what's available- right now, the "perfect" fish isn't an option, as there's no sardine pond in your backyard where you can catch a few before lunch each day. The choices are to not have enough fish, get some BPA, get some carcinogens from smoke, or get whatever chemical it is from the frozen.

Your best bet is probably to get the canned sardines, with the BPA but without the added smoke, and alternate that with the frozen fish.

OK, now I'm wondering how hard it really would be to have a sardine pond or large tank for truly fresh fish.


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Quoted from BHealthy
Here's a link to a description of the differences in taste by brand:
http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/301342
This is the brand I usually get:

Brunswick Sardines in Spring Water No Salt Added – Canada - $1.19

All the Brunswick cans are BPA free although the products with sauces are not quite as 'clean'. They also have a good canned Herring.

I would also look around on price if possible as I usually get Sardines at under a Dollar a can though I have seen them at $1.29.






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I'm going to place an order from Vital Choice.  No BPA, not smoked. And 10% discount on first orders.
http://www.vitalchoice.com/shop/pc/viewCategories.asp?pageStyle=h&idCategory=223



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our supermarket used to sell fish in glass jars, perhaps only tuna, but might be worth double checking if they are available with sardines or mackerel


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Vital Choice is the only brand packed in organic EVOO and BPA-free cans but they're out of stock for the season



I just placed a Vital Choice order for 24 cans of sardines packed in organic extra virgin olive oil and sea salt, with skin and bones, unsmoked in BPA-free cans.  I didn't see anything on their site which said they were out of any flavor sardines.

They give 10% discount for first purchases with the code INTC265.



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OK, now I'm wondering how hard it really would be to have a sardine pond or large tank for truly fresh fish.

I would think that in a cold climate an outdoor pond would be implactacle as you would have to deal with the ice/overwintering problems.

Tanks may be practical though as it would be no more difficult than a Tropical fish tank. There is a Chinese supermarket near where I live that has two large tanks with larger fish (2 lb. I would guess) with two species of fish I cannot identify. I would think you could set up a tank system that provided continuous production. If you overshot the mark you could always freeze them or sell them to your friends.  






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I bought some 6.7 ounce cans of Bar Harbor Wild Herring Fillets. The ingredients: herring fillets, cracked pepper, salt. They are still a diamond for me and the sardines packed in olive oil were more expensive for a can half the size. They are caught in Whiting Maine but packed in Canada in stead of China. No idea about BPA and they are smoked.
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I just placed a Vital Choice order for 24 cans of sardines packed in organic extra virgin olive oil and sea salt, with skin and bones, unsmoked in BPA-free cans.  I didn't see anything on their site which said they were out of any flavor sardines.

They give 10% discount for first purchases with the code INTC265.

The boneless/skinless are out and I know I can't eat the other kind.

I was on chat with them and they said it would be back in next year.


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The boneless/skinless are out and I know I can't eat the other kind.

I was on chat with them and they said it would be back in next year.


Ah, too bad.  I actually prefer the boneless, skinless, but sardines are an important enough part of my diet that I'm willing to eat the bones and skin.  I'll order the boneless, skinless when they get it back in again.  



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OK, now I'm wondering how hard it really would be to have a sardine pond or large tank for truly fresh fish.

Now you are talking about "farmed fish", rather than wild fish...  

It is my understanding that wild fish is far better than farmed, regardless of how it is packed - unless it is in corn oil...


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Now you are talking about "farmed fish", rather than wild fish...  

LOL! You're right!  Too funny.


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