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BHealthy
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I have had allergies since I was a child.  Before I started this diet, I had a persistent post-nasal drip and itchiness in my throat that caused me to cough every several minutes.  To counteract this, I sipped something (water, tea, kombucha) all day long.

When I started SWAMI, a little over a month ago (Aug 22?), I gave up dairy along with apples, coconut, aloe, cucumbers, and grape seed oil.  I also stopped all my supplements intending to add back only those that were necessary after next week's labwork.

Everything else my SWAMI wanted me to purge I either eat rarely or had given up years ago.  

The only physical change I noticed in the past month is that the itchiness in my throat is gone.  The post-nasal drip is still there, causing me to clear my throat, but I no longer need to cough.  Other than that, I had no detox symptoms at all.

On Sept 9th I had a two-day migraine.  I get these every month and assumed it was my normal 'cycle'.

Then, last Thursday, Sept 20th, I got another migraine that has not gone away!  

Normally, the meds I take work for 24 hours but, today, I've already taken three of them and still have pain.

What could it be????

Could the dairy detox just be starting now?  

Am I reacting to the drop in those things the supplements were boosting (vitamins B, D and K, magnesium, Krill oil, ubiquinol, turmeric, green tea, resveratrol, and silica)?

I had about 2oz of Manchego (a diamond for me) on Thursday, the day the migraine started.  Before the diet, I was eating about 4oz of a similar cheese (made with raw goats's milk) almost every day.  

Here's what I now eat on a typical day:

When I get up I brew 24oz of hibiscus/olive leaf tea which I drink cold throughout the day.

I also brew 1 c of watermelon seed/holy basil tea which I use as the base for my smoothie.  The smoothie also contains:
1 T. sprouted ground chia seeds
1 T. cherry concentrate
1 small banana
1 T. raw cocoa powder
1/2 t. astragalus powder
1/2 t. kale powder
1/2 t. kamut grass powder*
1 scoop Caldera Greens
every other day I add 1T almond butter

Mid-morning I have one hard boiled egg.

For lunch I have a large romaine salad with sliced celery, 1/2 an avocado, 1/2 c. sliced cherry tomatoes, 1 T. chlorella flakes, and a dressing I make with onion, cilantro, jalapeno, lemon juice, mustard powder and salt.  

Mid-afternoon snack is a few cayenne walnuts and/or almonds.

For dinner I've been having tuscan meatloaf made with beef and swiss chard seasoned with sage and rosemary and jerusalem artichoke puree.  Two nights ago I had grilled cod with guacamole, and the night before that, veal meuniere with steamed asparagus, and the night before that lamb curry with kale.

Dessert is a pint of fresh raspberries.

During the day, I will also drink two GT Kombucha, one ginger and one multi-green.  I don't eat grains or beans.

Everything single thing is a diamond/SF, organic, grass-fed, and home made. (*kamut grass juice is not listed but since wheatgrass juice is OK, I figured kamutgrass juice would be, too).

Today, I skipped the smoothie and salad because I didn't have the energy to make them so breakfast was an egg, snack was a pear, and lunch was meatloaf.  

I'm at a loss...


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My guess is that there was some healing happening before any real cleaning could happen and now the cleaning has started.

Has your diet previously contained a large percentage of avoid foods?


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try the liver cleanse periodically
castor oil pack at night.....

it might get worse before it gets better, but so worth it!!!


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Quoted from ABJoe
My guess is that there was some healing happening before any real cleaning could happen and now the cleaning has started.

Has your diet previously contained a large percentage of avoid foods?


My previous diet included the following avoids:

10oz of raw sheep's milk with 2oz of coffee and an apple before the smoothie

Coconut water, coconut milk and aloe gel in the smoothie instead of the chia, banana and cherry concentrate,

4oz of raw goat's milk cheese and 1/4 of one cucumber with my lunch

And the occasional grilled pork tenderloin for dinner.

Is that a lot?  


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My previous diet included the following avoids:

10oz of raw sheep's milk with 2oz of coffee and an apple before the smoothie

Coconut water, coconut milk and aloe gel in the smoothie instead of the chia, banana and cherry concentrate,

4oz of raw goat's milk cheese and 1/4 of one cucumber with my lunch

And the occasional grilled pork tenderloin for dinner.

Is that a lot?  

Has it been like this all your life?  

It doesn't sound like the 80% or so avoid content that my diet was prior to my finding BTD...  

I was trying to get some explanation for why detox would wait a month to start.  It is possible that due to this relatively small avoid content in your recent diet that the body was able to do more healing prior to finding some larger toxin content to remove...  It is rather difficult to know how our body is going to react because we each had a different path to the point where we are, so our experience will be somewhat different moving forward.


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Quoted from ABJoe

Has it been like this all your life?  

It doesn't sound like the 80% or so avoid content that my diet was prior to my finding BTD...  

It's been like that for the past two years.  I didn't eat chocolate for the 2 years before that but I still ate lots of sugar and pasteurized dairy.  We've been organic for the past 15 years but have only recently had access to pasture-raised meat.

For the 40-some years before I went 'clean' I avoided all processed and 'fast' foods due to MSG content but I did eat lots of rice(sf), pasta(a), frozen veggies(sf/a), and chocolate (all organic), and lots of bread(a), cheese(a), and wine(n).  I ate grilled fish(d) whenever we ate out but rarely prepared it at home because it wasn't available.  Sugar(a) was a huge part of my diet.

I've always made all my own condiments and cooked everything, including pasta, from scratch.

As a child, I ate very little meat.

I got lots of exercise until about 8 years ago.  Now I get very little (yes, i know, I need to change that).

How long will it take to detox those first 50 years?


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Before I started blood type/genotype diet, I had suffered from very significant migraines also. The general information I was gleaning from various books and websites usually were pretty consistent in terms of what foods are known to be potential migraine triggers. It's not uncommon for many kinds of nuts and aged dairy products/cheeses to increase the incidence of migraines. Remember, you could have allergies or significant food intolerances to certain foods that may appear to be superfoods on your SWAMI, such as manchego cheese, walnuts, and almonds. Those are the foods I would be suspicious of right now. That doesn't mean they don't contain longterm health benefits, but while your body is healing you may want to avoid nuts and aged cheeses.

Perhaps the weather changes is playing a role in your migraine lasting so long. It is well documented that changes in barometer can cause some susceptible individuals to have bad migraines, though I wouldn't conclude that's the only factor in play.

I hope you feel better soon.


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Quoted from Lola
try the liver cleanse periodically
castor oil pack at night.....

it might get worse before it gets better, but so worth it!!!

The only liver cleanse I could find was in the Explorer section of the GTD book which requires 40oz of apple juice, an avoid for me.  What do I use instead?  Or, is there a different protocol for Hunters?

Can I use a Tegaderm dressing (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001V9OQBI/ref=wms_ohs_product) to cover the flannel or does it need to breathe?


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How long will it take to detox those first 50 years?

A quality question...  I am still cleaning and healing after about 6 years...  Of course, I didn't realize I had to heal from a fall some 40 years ago and it would take 3+ years of cranial plate shifting, with all of the related symptoms of pressure changes in the head / spinal column...  The only thing to do is start and take it as it comes...


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This is an odd question, but the midwest weather has been flopping around- do you notice a difference with weather changes?

Cranial adjustment can make a big difference in structure/pressure related headaches.

Have you looked at osteopathic cranial manipulation? It got my head "out of a vice" and realligned my jaw so my teeth meet squarely.

Here's an interesting link I came across the other day... http://www.headachecontrolclinic.com/


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No, I've never been able to attribute different levels of symptoms to barometric pressure changes...

I've gone to a chiro that specifically adjusted the cranium as well as using the Bodytalk cortices technique...  With the nausea / dizzyness / pain I have with the slow progress of movement, I definitely don't want to speed it up too much!!!  Slow and steady is far better...


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After following the BTD diet for 11 years, when I started the "book" Genotype diet, I got a headache that lasted 3 months.  It wasn't as severe as a migraine, just dull and ongoing.  Then, it was gone.  I also had weird aches and pains during that time, which also let up on their own.  So, in my case anyway, I attributed it to cleansing and adjusting to the new diet.  

I noticed on your sample menu that you don't eat much protein during the day, until dinner.  It doesn't seem to me that you're getting nearly enough.



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After following the BTD diet for 11 years, when I started the "book" Genotype diet, I got a headache that lasted 3 months.  It wasn't as severe as a migraine, just dull and ongoing.  Then, it was gone.  I also had weird aches and pains during that time, which also let up on their own.  So, in my case anyway, I attributed it to cleansing and adjusting to the new diet.  

I noticed on your sample menu that you don't eat much protein during the day, until dinner.  It doesn't seem to me that you're getting nearly enough.

Wow! I don't think I could take a 3-month headache. Aches and pains I could deal with but my head has had enough.

I broke down and took my supplements, even though I really didn't want them in  my body for the lab work, and I started to feel better almost immediately. I take an organ supplement and lots of krill oil so, perhaps, my body needed the fat.  We'll see how long the reprieve lasts.

Sometimes I think SWAMI is all wrong.  It rated me -- short, non-athletic, and a vegetable lover -- as a Hunter; and my husband -- tall, active, and a meat lover -- as a warrior.  

I struggle with the protein.  It's so hard to get, so much work to prepare, doesn't keep long in the fridge, and, after all that, I really don't like the taste of it.  It's only 'good' when smothered in sauce and cream is now an avoid.  I'm going to have to find a way to manage it but it's not going to be easy.  In that respect, the diet sucks, so it better earn it's keep!

If I hadn't been out of commission for the past 4 days I would have made a batch of chicken stock and saved the breasts for my salad.  I'll do that tomorrow if the migraine doesn't come back overnight.    I also have a can of skinless-boneless sardines which I hope will be an acceptable alternative to mercury-laden tuna.  If I can stomach them, I'll stock up to throw on my salad.  I do need to find a way to get more fish into my diet.
  


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This is an odd question, but the midwest weather has been flopping around- do you notice a difference with weather changes?

Cranial adjustment can make a big difference in structure/pressure related headaches.

Have you looked at osteopathic cranial manipulation? It got my head "out of a vice" and realligned my jaw so my teeth meet squarely.

Here's an interesting link I came across the other day... http://www.headachecontrolclinic.com/

Weather has never been a factor for me.  It will give my BFF a migraine, though, so I know it does affect some people.

DH asked me tonight if I would consider acupuncture. I had looked into it last month and found a local practitioner so I will go that route if SWAMI doesn't work.  It helped another friend of ours.

I've also considered hormone therapy.  I know that many of my migraines were food-related because I eliminated them by changing my diet.  These last few could have a different cause. I hate drugs, even bio-identical ones, so that is low on my list of solutions.  I want my food to be my medicine.

I've never heard of osteopathic cranial manipulation.  I guess that could be next, if SWAMI and acupuncture don't work.


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I don't get migraines much any more, since on Swami and don't salt anything, but when I do I rub pure essential peppermint oil on my forehead and on the back of my neck. It really helps. Just don't swallow it and don't get it in the eyes. The fumes are pretty strong. I think it somehow opens up and re-channels the blood flow in the face.
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Add some sort of protein to the salad- canned fish or leftover cooked meat. I'm not sure the protein content of all those green powders you use in the smoothie- you may or may not need to add a protein powder to the mix as well.

For "creamier" sauces, make gravy with compliant broth and a compliant starch, such as rice flour or tapioca (whatever's OK on your SWAMI.) Olive oil-based salad dressings also work, or you could mash an avocado into a thick dressing. Another option, if you get any soft cheeses like quark, that can be used as a salad dressing base as well.

Since the headache went away when you took the supplements, it sounds like you might have gotten a headache from "not eating enough" rather than from "detox." If you think the krill oil was the clincher, try adding more fats and oils to your diet. I'm not entirely sure what the "organ supplement" is, but could that have contained protein or other nutrients you could have gotten from meat or fish?


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Add some sort of protein to the salad- canned fish or leftover cooked meat. I'm not sure the protein content of all those green powders you use in the smoothie- you may or may not need to add a protein powder to the mix as well.

I'm looking for canned fish product to add to my salad but it has to be compliant with my other dietary rules -- no mercury, BPA, or other toxins -- and that's hard to find. No one sells sardines packed in glass.

The green powders are just green grasses and algae.  I don't use protein powders, they all have processing-created-MSG in them.  I will increase the almond butter or add a small piece of compliant cheese.  

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Since the headache went away when you took the supplements, it sounds like you might have gotten a headache from "not eating enough" rather than from "detox." If you think the krill oil was the clincher, try adding more fats and oils to your diet. I'm not entirely sure what the "organ supplement" is, but could that have contained protein or other nutrients you could have gotten from meat or fish?

The migraine came back last night, in spite of the fact that I took my nighttime supplements.  I didn't have much dinner, though, just a bottle of kombucha.  The meds are working today so I'll do some cooking.  

The organ supplement is dried organic grass-fed beef heart, liver, kidney, spleen, thymus, pancreas, brain and adrenal glands since I can't stand to eat those things.  I take 6 caps a day.


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Kombucha is a strong detoxifier. It's a wonderful food, full of probiotics, but you may want to reduce your intake (or stop altogether) until the migraines/detox headaches go away. I often get headaches when I need to eat, and getting enough protein makes them go away.

I can't see any reason for you to stop taking the organ supplement- nothing in there looks like an "avoid" for O's or Hunters, although I don't know the specifics of your SWAMI.


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I'm looking for canned fish product to add to my salad but it has to be compliant with my other dietary rules -- no mercury, BPA, or other toxins -- and that's hard to find. No one sells sardines packed in glass.


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I sometimes get headaches in the fall due to high weed pollen and mold in the air.  Could seasonal allergies be contributing to your migraines?
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Check out Wild Planet for low mercury tuna:
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I just placed an order from Vital Choice for unsmoked sardines packed in organic extra virgin olive oil and sea salt - No BPA cans.  They offer 10% discount with the first order.  Use code INTC265
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I often get headaches when I need to eat, and getting enough protein makes them go away.

I frequently go most of the day without eating but I rarely go without my supplements.  I suspect that a month without them has seriously depleted my stores so that skipping a meal now has consequences.  The magnesium and krill oil especially as they are the anti-migraine supps (recommended by Russel Blayloc in his Excitotoxins book).  

Last year, I gave up dairy for 2 months with no problems, but I continued to take my supplements.  This time, the only difference is the supplements.  That, and the fact that when I get a migraine, I don't want to eat, which exacerbates the problem.

Yesterday, after polishing off the last of the meatloaf for lunch, I had planned to have my breakfast smoothie and luncheon salad for dinner but I went to bed early instead since I've gotten very little sleep the past few days. So all I ate yesterday was an egg, a pear, some meatloaf, and 2 Kombucha.

This morning, I knew I should eat -- I gain weight when I don't eat enough -- but there was nothing prepared so, after taking my supplements, I had an egg, a pear, and a few slices of manchego, dairy but it's a diamond for me.  I also had some walnuts.

Every time the pain returned, I had another slice of cheese until I was able to finish cooking.  It took most of the day but for dinner I had beef and bok choy soup AND bison curry with carrots and parsnips.  Lots of meat, lots of veggies, and some ghee.  Beef and bison are both diamonds.  No salad though, I was too full, so nothing raw today.

All the cooking and cleaning got me off my butt, too, which is another problem when I get a migraine.  I don't want to move.

I'm feeling better but the pain is still lurking so I'm going to make it an early night again.  
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Kombucha is a strong detoxifier. It's a wonderful food, full of probiotics, but you may want to reduce your intake (or stop altogether) until the migraines/detox headaches go away.

I've been drinking Kombucha and taking chlorella for ages.  Do you really think it could be responsible?  I had three of them today because my throat was really itchy.

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I can't see any reason for you to stop taking the organ supplement- nothing in there looks like an "avoid" for O's or Hunters, although I don't know the specifics of your SWAMI.

The one benefit to being a Hunter is that I can continue taking this.  Beef heart is a neutral but everything else is a SF/diamond.  

After the lab work, I plan to take fermented cod liver oil.  Cod liver oil is a SF for me so I'm assuming the fermented version is OK.  I need it for my teeth.  I suppose I should start a thread about it.


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I sometimes get headaches in the fall due to high weed pollen and mold in the air.  Could seasonal allergies be contributing to your migraines?

In the past, I would get a migraine every time I had hayfever.  But, I also had migraines when I didn't have hayfever.  Now, since my allergies are not as bad as they were when I was eating SADish, they don't generally cause a migraine.  





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Check out Wild Planet for low mercury tuna:
http://www.wildplanetfoods.com/Highest-Omega-3-and-Low-Mercury.html

I just placed an order from Vital Choice for unsmoked sardines packed in organic extra virgin olive oil and sea salt - No BPA cans.  They offer 10% discount with the first order.  Use code INTC265
https://www.vitalchoice.com/shop/pc/viewCategories.asp?pageStyle=h&idCategory=223

I just found some boneless sockeye salmon in spring water and glass!  Sockeye is a diamond for me and glass has no BPA.  Yes!  


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Coming here late.. but for me Magnsium helped a lot..it opens up the constrictive muscles..  Milk of Magnesia at first .. and then a gel with magnesium in it..


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This morning, for the first time in 7 days, I woke up pain free.


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what did you do if anything?????

all the best..


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I just found some boneless sockeye salmon in spring water and glass!  Sockeye is a diamond for me and glass has no BPA.  Yes!  


Where did you find the salmon in glass?



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what did you do if anything?????

I've been taking my supplements for two days now and I had lots of meat and veggies for dinner last night. I don't think either one of these would have worked without the other as I was getting lots of meat and veggies when the migraine started and the supps with no food only helped for a few hours.

The best thing about not having pain today is that bone broth I used to make the soup actually helped it go away.  I was concerned because concentrated broths, like the one I make, can have MSG in them created by the long reduction process.  The fact that the pain went away in spite of the broth means I can use it without trepidation.  

The lab work has been authorized and can be done any day I choose, I just need to show up at 8:30am after having had nothing but water after 10pm.

I'm debating whether I should have it done tomorrow or stop the supps again and have it done next week after they've had a chance to exit my body.

Does anyone have any advice?  Will two days of supplementation have any effect on blood/urine work?   I don't think it will but I don't know.

I wish I could have had it done while I had the pain but I didn't have the authorization then.


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Where did you find the salmon in glass?

Oops, I misspoke, much to my dismay when I went to place my order.

I found the following, both made by Tonnino (Google them, they're everywhere):

Yellowfin tuna (a SF for me) packed in water and glass.

Sockeye salmon packed in olive oil and glass.  Not organic or EVOO.

I'm trying to decide which would be better.  Sockeye is diamond for me and I think olive oil is a lower risk than either mercury or BPA.  The tuna is cheaper and yellowfin is lower in mercury than albacore.

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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/04/100421075203.htm:

Mercury levels are significantly higher in bluefin akami (sushi from lean, dark red tuna) and all bigeye tuna samples than in bluefin toro (sushi from fatty tuna) and yellowfin tuna akami samples.

Although yellowfin tuna is very lean, this species tends to have lower accumulation of mercury, likely because yellowfin are typically smaller than other tuna and are harvested at a younger age. Furthermore, yellowfin are tropical and do not thermoregulate like the warm-blooded bigeye tuna and bluefin tuna.

Because bigeye and bluefin species eat three times more than yellowfin to maintain their energy level, they might bioaccumulate, or slowly increase the level of toxins over time.

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http://www.eatingwell.com/nutrition_health/nutrition_news_information/essential_oils:

Mark Kantor, a food scientist at the University of Maryland, and a nutrition communicator with the Institute of Food Technologists. Kantor, who regularly reads federal pesticide surveillance reports, notes that “pesticide residues in food oils are negligible.” Organic oils are also certified to be free of genetically modified content, which you may choose to avoid.

http://www.foodsafetymagazine.com/article.asp?id=3873&sub=sub1:

Production of olive oil has a tendency to concentrate pesticide residues in the oil as it takes four kilograms of olives to make one kilogram of olive oil.

What do you think?

Victoria, should I start a new thread for this or add it to the sardine thread?  I don't think it should stay in this thread.


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That's a good idea - to start a new thread on canned fish, etc.  Thanks!  Interesting topic.



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I wish I could have had it done while I had the pain but I didn't have the authorization then.


for me the magnesium really helped.. read the other threads.. But for approved testing.. unless you are really concerned, I would do the searching in you.. as to what caused it..

You will eventually find out what you did or do to cause it.. Dr's most often, only know what you tell them.. tumors do not hurt..  nor do other brain things..

Muscles in the brain or starting from the intestines out are much more likely to cause headaches.. magnesium deficiency is much more likely the cause of slow digestion causing internal gas that travels up to the brain / ergo pain//

my family members with migraines and trygeminal headaches all have bathroom issues..Taking painkillers only worsens this..  I am believing Magnesium worth a try.. at least add eating pumpkin seeds..







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What lab work are you having done and why do you think your supps will affect the results?

When I go for lab work, I fast as indicated, but take all my supplements on time the day before, then take them again after the blood is taken.


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What lab work are you having done and why do you think your supps will affect the results?

When I go for lab work, I fast as indicated, but take all my supplements on time the day before, then take them again after the blood is taken.

I asked for the works -- complete blood count, comprehensive metabolic, cholesterol, thyroid, vitamin D, and dexa.  The GP wouldn't authorize the indican or adrenal test so I'll have to get that through the naturopath.  Naturopaths aren't licensed in Illinois, and I doubt our insurance will pay for any test she requests, so I wanted to get as much as possible through my GP before I went back to her.  

The reason I wanted to do the lab work without the supplements is that I'm trying to determine what supplements I truly need.  The ones I currently take are what I think I need, based on what I've read, not on what testing has shown as a deficiency.

I have my lab tests from 15 years ago, when I didn't take supplements, and wanted to see what measurements have changed. Fifteen years ago, everything was within the normal range.

One month without supps will give me a baseline, I think.  I'll adjust as indicated and then repeat the tests in three months.  That should show me whether the brands and dosage I'm taking are effective.  I don't mind augmenting with supps but prefer to get nutrition from my diet and don't want the supplements to mask any deficiencies.

I won't be tweaking things like turmeric and green tea but I might need to adjust my levels of magnesium, D2 and calcium.  I also don't want the algae supps to mask a need for iodine since my diet is so high in cruciferous veggies.  
  
Are my assumptions incorrect?  I don't want to 'treat' conditions that don't exist or ignore conditions I'm unaware of. I realize that bloodwork won't show everything I need to know but it's a starting point.


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I am believing Magnesium worth a try.. at least add eating pumpkin seeds..  

You're preaching to the choir!   I currently take 800mg of ionic magnesium every day; and 8000IU D3, and 15mg K2. They're all liquids.  I take them on an empty stomach and hold them in my mouth for a minute before swallowing so they go directly into my system.

I think I got this migraine because I stopped taking the supplements for a month in preparation for the lab work.


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You have received good advice, but I'll add my 2 cents worth.
I still take supplements. Since I don't eat dairy at all, I do take calcium, magnesium & a few other things connected with them. I also take a multi, some anti-oxidant vitamins & a few minerals like chromium & selenium.  I take a lot less vitamin C that I did years ago, as I am sure cetain avoids caused problems to make me need it (e.g. dairy causing URIs).
I also eat a lot more olive oil than my SWAMI suggests.  If you crave the creamy sauces, make them out of brown rice flour with olive oil. They take longer to cook & aren't the same as wheat-based gravies, but they help the craving.

As for delayed detox:  In 1982, I made some big dietary changes & got healthier.  Then in Feb., 1983, I got a very bad case of the flu.  It must have been a delayed reaction detox of some kind. I only had the flu a few times in my life before(I was 35).  The next time I got the flu was late December 2008! I had a milder case recently also.  

Yup, we are all so different.  BTW, I don't recommend the flu shot.  If we keep our immune systems up, we can fight the normal germs that come along. Good old handwashing, etc. do work.
That should be another thread!

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