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eva b.
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I have read an awful lot on the internet recently about the need to maintain a mainly alkaline balance in ones diet for optimum health....veg and some fruit being mainly alkaline, and it seems most other foods (especially animal protein), are highly alkaline, and for best health one should eat mainly raw vegan food.

Hmmm.  I wonder what some of the regulars here think about this...here I am a type O consuming what would appear to be a high amount of acid forming foods (meat and fruit) - which conflicts directly with this info.

It really is a nightmare to try and get a balanced view of what to do





















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Type Os need a more acid body than type As do- too much alkalinity can cause problems, I think from feeling faint and weak and not energized enough (as opposed to being too acidic and feeling "weighed down."

Besides that, we don't get acidified so much by eating the right foods for our bodies. Beef in an A system is very acidic, due to poor digestion. The same  beef in an O body only creates slight acidity. It's the heavy starches and sugars that can "weigh down" an O.

Bottom line, Acid/Alkaline dieting is a "one size fits all" approach. It's something that works a whole lot better for A's (especially A Warriors) than it does for other types.


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thanks Ruthie, can always count on your common sense.....thhis "alkaline" business is becoming almost a hysterical thing, with loads of fairly well respected people (like Dr Mercola and Tony Robbins for eg) are pretty much implying that you'll seriously damage yourself if you don't alkalise yourself enough.  

It's tantamount to bullying, and certainly makes me doubt myself and my thoughts more than I already do.  There are dozens of sites dedicated solely to this now!!!  
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thanks Ruthie, can always count on your common sense.....thhis "alkaline" business is becoming almost a hysterical thing, with loads of fairly well respected people (like Dr Mercola and Tony Robbins for eg) are pretty much implying that you'll seriously damage yourself if you don't alkalise yourself enough.  

It's tantamount to bullying, and certainly makes me doubt myself and my thoughts more than I already do.  There are dozens of sites dedicated solely to this now!!!  


One size fits all. They're on the wrong track.
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The acidity and alkalinity stuff is related to urine and saliva ph, not stomach acidity which gives O's an advantage with meat. O's are supposed to eat their veggies as well. There needs to be balance in any diet. Undigested food is bad for the system as Ruthie said.

Carey Reams is the person who discovered the correct ph for humans and all of the different relationships. Unfortunately there is a lot of misunderstanding down the telephone chain with a lot of emphasis on "get alkaline" -- this is true for most people on the Standard American Diet of junk with little veg. Their ph is very acidic and most are ill or close to being ill. (I think I heard the other day that 90% of Americans don't get the 5 servings -- 2 1/2 cups of veg a day.) I think there is argument for more veg than that, but you can become too alkaline. Vegans (truly veg emphasizing vegans) can get sick by overalkalizing the body. There is more to it than that, but the BTD etc includes a VARIETY of foods and it is important to BALANCE them.

Dina Khader, one of the IFHI speakers, a registered dietitian and Master's in Clinical Nutrition utilizes the correct ph in her practice along with SWAMI as well as some other fantastic strategies. She discusses food combining in her book for help for those of us with digestive issues. She works with a lot of cancer patients. I have been fortunate enough to both observe her practice and have consult with her. Ph is important, it's just that there is a lot of half truth information running around out there. Don't let people scare you away from animal protein, but with anything there is moderation. My O hubby pays attention to his meat serving sizes on his SWAMI.

Too much of a good thing is no good. (truism, but I heard it from Dr. D too in the context of hormesis)

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Ruthiegirl, Where did you read that O's need a more acid body? O's and A's both tend towards acidity (but should try to achieve an alkaline state) while B's for some reason are more balanced.  If Eva B. eats 4-5 cups of vegetables per day (most are alkaline forming) and 3 cups of fruit (also most are alkaline forming) along with some meat (acid) and brown rice (close to neutral) she will be fine.  The only one size fits all theme here is that everyone can benefit from having the majority of their diet (by weight) being fruits and vegetables.  Figuring out which fruits and vegetables is accomplished by BTD/GTD/SWAMI.
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I read somewhere that O's can get too alkaline- I'm not sure if it's because the O body actually needs a more acidic state, or if there's one universal "healthy pH range" but O's have a different means of getting there. I do know that an O following a raw vegan diet is going to be too alkaline and have health problems from that.


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[quote=8204]

Dina Khader, one of the IFHI speakers, a registered dietitian and Master's in Clinical Nutrition utilizes the correct ph in her practice along with SWAMI as well as some other fantastic strategies.

Interesting, I just looked at a couple of her youtube videos, and she is saying pretty much what the rest of the "alkalise" party are saying...except she does say a "limited amount" of meat is OK....but it is essential to keep the body in an alkaline dominance rather than acid.

Very, Very difficult to get as much nutrition as you need when you can't consume solid foods (even blended) because of gut neuropathy....I need MEAT and I can't eat it, not even ground up.  I can drink broth, but it;s not the same, is it?
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If you puree cooked meat with broth, can you eat/drink that? I made myself "baby food" after some dental work a few years ago- broth with ground beef and assorted vegetables, pureed in the food processor.

If broth is the only meat you're able to consume, then you'll need a large quantity, and as concentrated as possible.


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If you puree cooked meat with broth, can you eat/drink that? I made myself "baby food" after some dental work a few years ago- broth with ground beef and assorted vegetables, pureed in the food processor.

If broth is the only meat you're able to consume, then you'll need a large quantity, and as concentrated as possible.


unfortunately, even baby food consistency doesn't move along as it should - peristalsis is seriously up the creek.  I can't imagine how much broth I would need to drink to get what I need - but what is the alternative?  meal replacement drinks, says my GI doc, and we all know what THEY contain.....

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Eva,  Are you taking a digestive enzyme..  I started taking one a few weeks ago and peristalsis improved greatly.  I still keep my solid food intake to a minimum and chew very well, make sure to have veggies well cooked.  I love meat broths.  Just a thought, maybe it would help.  I also have a Mediclear shake atleast once a day as a meal, I love that brand, it is made from pea and rice protein, clean ingredients, look into the Mediclear brand, I have healed greatly since incorporating these two things into my regimen.  
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