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Drea
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I'm trying to figure out if seeds (sesame, to be specific) are closer to legumes or to grains. If they are closer to grains, then homemade (with beneficial beans) hummus with tahini, would be a complete protein. If not, then I'd be going over my legume suggested portion...



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I would guess they are closer to nuts, which are classed in SWAMI as vegetable proteins.  That category includes legumes (beans).



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So sad...but I'll live through it!


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The vegetable protein category contains: sesame seed, Tahini, and sesame flour.


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Sesame seeds are a nearly complete protein, but they are low in Lysine.

So to make a complete protein you would add foods high in Lysine/Tryptophan.

Food sources of Lysine: eggs, yogurt, cheeses, chicken, turkey, buffalo, some types of fish ...

Many bean varieties also contain significant amounts of lysine.


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I make hummus (usually) with great northern beans or white cannelini beans and tahini, hence my question.


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Quoted from Drea
I make hummus (usually) with great northern beans or white cannelini beans and tahini, hence my question.


Both great Northern and cannellini beans contain a significant amount of lysine and thus would complement tahini.


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Quoted from Drea
I make hummus (usually) with great northern beans or white cannelini beans and tahini, hence my question.


Do you cook the beans for your humus?  




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I was thinking nuts also.
Since I don't agonize over portions, it wouldn't bother me, but I do food combinations & I wouldn't mix the veggie proteins with the meat.


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Do you cook the beans for your humus?  


I cheat and buy organic canned beans...


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Do you cook the beans for your humus?  


I cheat and buy organic canned beans...

I wonder if sprouted beans would taste good in this recipe? You've just sparked an idea, Cristina! Like!


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Let me know if you try that ... I will do the same with my Madagascar beans I just harvested (yesterday) ... I will soak them tonight and let them sprout and try making humus with them ... Will let you know how I go ...  




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I was thinking nuts also.
Since I don't agonize over portions, it wouldn't bother me, but I do food combinations & I wouldn't mix the veggie proteins with the meat.


You cannot make up for a deficiency in an amino acid by adding foods that are deficient in the same amino acid.

Sesame seeds low in lysine.

Pecans low in lysine
Walnuts low in lysine
Almond low in lysine
Macadamia strongly deficient in Lysine
Peanuts a little low in lysine
Hazelnuts low in Lysine

Cashews & Pistachios are not deficient in lysine but are often avoids for other reasons


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You cannot make up for a deficiency in an amino acid by adding foods that are deficient in the same amino acid.

Sesame seeds low in lysine.

Pecans low in lysine
Walnuts low in lysine
Almond low in lysine
Macadamia strongly deficient in Lysine
Peanuts a little low in lysine
Hazelnuts low in Lysine

Cashews & Pistachios are not deficient in lysine but are often avoids for other reasons


Interesting! Where are you finding this stuff? (This is me just being lazy and asking the source, rather than doing my own research... ).


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Foods high in arginine like nuts could become an issue for those with herpes viruses.  I looked
this information up for my niece when she kept having cold sores....ie, oral herpes virus and she
told me she had been living on nuts and seeds because she thought they were so healthy.  But as a vegan, nuts are low in lysine which is often used medicinally to heal herpes viruses.  And nuts are high in arginine that tends to feed a herpes virus.  She looks to be a Teacher
as she's small boned and petite, but was following the basic BTD and avoiding some of the highest lysine foods.

Also a friend with shingles (also a herpes virus) ate nuts in lieu of dairy and other high lysine foods.  When she changed her diet to include higher lysine foods
and cut down on nuts for a better ratio, she had her
shingles under better control.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-connection-between-lysine-and-arginine.htm

Our diets provide us with a healthy lysine/arginine ratio if we're controlling portions of all food groups that contain high amounts of these two aminos.  


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Interesting! Where are you finding this stuff?


The USDA has some databases, but this site provides nifty charts to see the balance between amino acids in foods:

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3154/2


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The USDA has some databases, but this site provides nifty charts to see the balance between amino acids in foods:

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3154/2


Thanks for the link, C_sharp!


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