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AKArtlover
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It dawned on me over the past few days after getting back some food sensitivity test results that my hubby and I have been sabatoging ourselves by not rotating our foods and getting enough variety. We are the "busy" types. On my road to getting well, I start feeling better and fall into the habit of allowing convenience to dictate my choices as I get going on other things and ignoring my body. I then fall into eating the same things repeatedly and then I feel like c**p again, sensitizing myself to yet another food. Praising God for "Digestive Wellness" by Elizabeth Lipski for turning on the lightbulb just from flipping through her book. Aha moments. We WILL break our food ruts. Too important not to.

Even though we enjoy green smoothies, he had been adding asparagus daily and I would also eat it out one night a week. Doh! I show sensitivity to asparagus. When I first started having asparagus after a long hiatus- excellent, my liver was loving it. Then I noticed at dinner, I didn't really want to finish it even though it was a relatively small amount and felt a little turned off by it (need to listen).

The variety thing is probably part of what landed me in the mess in the first place. My college diet was a whole lot of pizza, pasta, starchitarian.

Stool test showed that my pancreatic function is very low. Upping digestive enzymes.

Thinking of taking a month and making food/diet the TOP priority in our lives. Time for variety, time for new foods and new recipes. It's a new day. Going to focus more on the Blood Type Diet side of SWAMI for awhile as I have been feeling achey in my joints especially. Need to get some Deflect as well...

Lectins got me into this mess. Tomato and wheat and dairy addictions.

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In our own bodies lectins play a role in the immune system by recognizing carbohydrates that don't belong. On the other hand, they can wreak havoc if we don't have the enzymes to digest them: They bind to carbohydrate molecules in all tissues and cause them to clump together. They bind to the GI mucosa, whice weakens it and allows it to become permeable (leaky). They degranulate mast cells which causes them to produce IgE antibodies and set off allergic reactions.

Lectins, when not properly digested, can connect two IgE molecules, which triggers the release of histamines and begins an allergic reaction, mimicking food allergies. The digestive system and nervous system are especially sensitive to lectin reactions. This can appear as irritable bowel syndrome, arthritis, or nearly any inflammatory condition. The people whose arthritis responds to elimination of the nightshade family of foods (potatos, eggplant, tomatoes, peppers) probably have lectin sensitivities.


I know I have read as much in Dr. D's work but for some reason this was one of the AHA! moments in this book that flipped the light bulb on.

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Oddly enough, about half of people with food sensitivies and intolerances crave the foods that make them sick. This is because many foods, such as wheat and dairy products, produce protein molecules that are really similar to our natural endorphins, called exorphins. Endorphins and ther mimics, exorphins, lessen pain and help generate a general sense of well-being in our world. So, even if we are intolerant of lactose, we crave it and even feel better when we drink milk...temporarily, that is. And then we crave some more.


Later, when she discusses sensitivities she talks about the rotation diet, basically not eating from the same food family but every four days- it doesn't give the antibodies a chance to act because their triggers aren't present. Also looking at glutamine and incorporating more protein in form of powder drink and using Deflect and enzymes. Also going to look at the B vitamins. My bacterial profile looked good so I will continue with those. No yeast, fungus. Just time to nourish and rebuild without setting off the inflammatory response. Focusing on protein and complete digestion with the help of digestive enzymes.

Just sharing in case it helps someone.




"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14

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It dawned on me over the past few days after getting back some food sensitivity test results that my hubby and I have been sabatoging ourselves by not rotating our foods and getting enough variety. We are the "busy" types. On my road to getting well, I start feeling better and fall into the habit of allowing convenience to dictate my choices as I get going on other things and ignoring my body. I then fall into eating the same things repeatedly and then I feel like c**p....

Later, when she discusses sensitivities she talks about the rotation diet, basically not eating from the same food family but every four days- it doesn't give the antibodies a chance to act because their triggers aren't present.

Thinking of taking a month and making food/diet the TOP priority in our lives. Time for variety, time for new foods and new recipes. It's a new day..



As the cook in my family, the commitment to re-learn menus and cooking techniques was key. In convincing others to try BTD, I focus on the fact that we mostly make food substitutions (at least initially) and it is not required that we subsist on "rabbit food". From shopping to meal preparation, It does take focus. For the really entrenched doubters, I ask how the "change nothing and lose weight diet" is working for them.  
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AKArtlover,
I was into the ER4YT long before I went to a ND and she ordered the Immuno lab IgG test for me. ( I see we are both A+...and I have many explorer traits )
Thank goodness this ND is an IFHI member. She thought I might be celiac but we were happy the results were negative.
I was so thankful for the notebook that came to me because of this IgG test. This is the reason I took Dr, D's advice and did the 3 month wash out. By following the idea of food rotation, daily food journal, and using the initial symptom check list then later comparing to the symptom progress check list...I learned sooo much!!!!
Now, I really think before almost eating the same breakfast/lunch/dinner 2 days in a row...I just don't! I will eat pineapple, green salad or almond butter daily but not the exact same meals.
I truly believe food/meal rotation makes a difference for me!


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From personal experience (and being a high percentage Explorer as well) I'd like to point out the possibility that you are oversensitive to 'salicylates'. This is rather common, but it is very hard to find this out yourself as this stuff is abundant in natural foods, especially fruits and vegetables. (FYI: Salicylates are natural substances that prevent foods spoil. A reason we may consume far more salicylates than in the past is that most fruits and vegetables are nowadays picked 'unripe'.)

See this website for a comprehensive food list: http://salicylatesensitivity.com/about/food-guide/
A rotation diet would likely keep salicylate sensitivity under control by mere coincidence but is actually unnecessary. Following a 'low salicylate diet' is all that is necessary; focusing on low and medium salicylate content foods, while not eating too many high salicylate content foods in a single day (or on too many consecutive days). (This requires some experimentation..)

Also note people are typically not allergic to salicylates, but too much salicylates may simply surpass your 'tolerance level' and result in 'allergy-alike reactions'. If you want you can 'increase' your tolerance level by strengthening your adrenals: increase your (natural) vitamin C and vitamin B intake (especially panthothenic acid). One of the best natural sources for vitamin B are bee pollen.

I fully understand there's likely no incentive for you guys to consider this approach, given that your rotation diets already seem to be working. Still I'd love to hear your experience if you were to give this a try. Maybe a good experiment would be to rotate very high salicylate foods for several days? If bad reactions would start to appear that would be valuable information. Knowledge is power.
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Quoted from Damon

Knowledge is power.


Damon - Thanks for all of the information about salicylates. I too am a high percentage Explorer and it is good to see that SWAMI has factored this in for me. My diamonds & superbennies are all quite low in them.

I don't know what Dr. D's take is on the rotation diet but I can eat the same things every week  and I do much better for it. Been having aduzki bean brownies for breakfast for several weeks and have lost the few pounds I needed to loose. I make it with pumpkin puree, carob, cocoa, glycerin, a few eggs and minimal amaranth flour. My energy is more even and my digestion more settled if I follow eating my diamonds and bennies. My friends who are following SWAMI as well don't follow the rotation diet and they are more balanced as well. Thanks again for this.  
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I am going to rotate SWAMI foods. This should also increase variety just by virtue of the 4 day pattern. Those brownies sound good.


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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http://www.immunolabs.com/patients/

I believe this lab was discussed by Jeffrey Bland as having 95% reproducibility. The doc in my area that uses this company has a fantastic reputation but does not take insurance. I'm attempting to work with insurance because we are paying for it, but I noticed a trend that a lot of the docs that have a great rep around here don't take insurance at all. My test was done with Genova Diagonostics and I have no idea what their reproducibility is, but a gut check   told me it was pretty accurate for me.


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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AKArtlover - Interesting article. I noticed all of her references were over ten years old. I wonder if the labs have updated their methods and reliability since then. Most of my two IgG4 test results pretty much corresponded with years of my experiences with food allergies and my Swami avoids. There were a few surprises, though, such as blueberries and red grapes and garlic, but that probably helps explain the symptoms I couldn't put my finger on. The doctor/interpreter said after a few months hiatus, that I could put some things on a 4 day rotation diet. Some things, like eggs and gluten, were complete avoids, which I already knew.
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Damon, thanks for the info and link..will check into it.

AkArtlover, I rotate my swami superfoods and neutrals.
        
DL, Interesting, my test showed my worst offenders as cow dairy, goat dairy, wheat, bakers and brewers yeast. All avoids or black dots on my swami! Also, these food items are main culprits in messing with my sinus issues!  
I' d say Dr. D certainly did his research!  


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Damon,
OMG! I checked out the list...If I followed it, I would only be able to eat buckwheat, oats, rice and fish!!!!!


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OK, now I am really wondering...

I looked up salicylates ,etc.
Aspirin is full of them.
My ENT and my Allergist suggested the only thing left to do for my AERD/Samters Triad ( aspirin exasperated respiratory disease/ adult onset asthma, nasal polyps, aspirin allergy ) is to have a final nasal polyp removal surgery followed immediately by aspirin desensitization therapy.

Also, among the symptoms for salicylate sensitivity are; asthma, cough, wheeze, nasal polyps, vertigo, crawling sensation on skin...all of which I have!


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Damon,
OMG! I checked out the list...If I followed it, I would only be able to eat buckwheat, oats, rice and fish!!!!!


Salicylate sensitivity is not the same as a salicylate allergy!

Eating foods that contain salicylates is not 'bad', even for salicylate sensitive people. In fact, as you probably noticed yourself, many salicylate containing foods are very healthy. However, when you're salicylate sensitive you should give extra attention to making sure that you do not exceed your personal 'salicylate tolerance level'. This tolerance level varies per person and is for your to find out yourself.

For many salicylate sensitive people a single serving of some (high) salicylate food doesn't pose any problems. But, (high) salicylate foods do contribute more to surpassing your tolerance level, which is why you want to be more careful when consuming (high) salicylate foods.

When you are passing your tolerance level your symptoms (which could be anything, from eczema/rashes to feeling bad) will start to appear. That's the sign to cut back on your salicylate consumption (preferably by focusing on the very low salicylate foods for a day or so). Your symptoms will then quickly subside. After a while you'll know what level of salicylate consumption you can handle and it just becomes second nature. (Having a rich salad and lots of olive oil with wine, and berries for dessert may turn out to be too much salicylates..)

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Salicylate sensitivity is not the same as a salicylate allergy!

Eating foods that contain salicylates is not 'bad', even for salicylate sensitive people. In fact, as you probably noticed yourself, many salicylate containing foods are very healthy. However, when you're salicylate sensitive you should give extra attention to making sure that you do not exceed your personal 'salicylate tolerance level'. This tolerance level varies per person and is for your to find out yourself.

For many salicylate sensitive people a single serving of some (high) salicylate food doesn't pose any problems. But, (high) salicylate foods do contribute more to surpassing your tolerance level, which is why you want to be more careful when consuming (high) salicylate foods.

When you are passing your tolerance level your symptoms (which could be anything, from eczema/rashes to feeling bad) will start to appear. That's the sign to cut back on your salicylate consumption (preferably by focusing on the very low salicylate foods for a day or so). Your symptoms will then quickly subside. After a while you'll know what level of salicylate consumption you can handle and it just becomes second nature. (Having a rich salad and lots of olive oil with wine, and berries for dessert may turn out to be too much salicylates..)
Well explained, except I beg to differ on the underlined sentence... For some people it can take a week to get back to normal, especially if there had been a slow buildup to get to the level of intolerance?!

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Well explained, except I beg to differ on the underlined sentence... For some people it can take a week to get back to normal, especially if there had been a slow buildup to get to the level of intolerance?!


Valid point and agreed!
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I guess what also comes into it, is the speed/efficiency at which your liver works?!
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aaah yup food rotation is as important as supplement rotation ....


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Quoted from Amazone I.
aaah yup food rotation is as important as supplement rotation ....




"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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I'm on day 6 of being conscious of this and my joints are less achey! I had moments of mental clarity I haven't had since juice fasting and colon cleansing awhile back. Spleen is still sometimes painful after eating but going with smaller meals and that is helping. Will be working on longer term planning today so I make sure I am getting enough food. Fiber, too.

If I could go back ten years or more knowing what I know now... wow. I think I will make a great mom in this arena at least when we are ready. All my childhood junk was probably 90% diet. And if not mine, my mom and pop's, Live and learn.

And more to learn, me thinks.


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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Thanks, Damon...and Possum!
My mind is just swirling and overwhelmed with my nasal polyp issue now and what to do. I cannot/don't want to go the rest of my life breathing only from my mouth and risking lung issues (recent adult onset asthma) so I keep reading research to try and make a decision.


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Update... Just wanted to share my happiness that my fingerprints are coming in full and nice with ridge definition. I've been working on my gut for the past few months and it shows. I gave up a lot of the IgG reaction foods (at least temporarily, rotating wasn't enough) and cut all dairy except ghee (casein sensitivity). Using l-glutamine selectively. Getting magnesium in as I must have been severely deficient. Natural B complex as well. Been working with a doc who gets function and have some individual supplement guidance including some genetic guidance on things that need some support. I think there were these little things getting in the way of healing. More to do, but this is fantastic progress.


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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  Thank you for sharing your progess --We are happy for you and  it really encourages the us.
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I've been working on my gut for the past few months and it shows.
I wouldn't be happy with this progress lol No seriously, the update re your progress is great to hear

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Good news for you AKArtlover!
I am still rotating Swami foods...second nature after 2 years..keeps my weight in check (along with proper exercise)..am feeling great...so...only "health" problem is my AERD.
I want to get rid of these polyps/never to return and the only sure way... currently
is to have surgery/followed immediately by aspirin desensitization....then take daily doses of 300mg + aspirin...to keep polyps gone and to end adult asthma...the best will be breathing through both nostrils at the same time and being able to smell and taste again!
Still concerned over salicylate.....
Lesser of 2 evils?


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