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san j
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Y'know how sometimes (maybe even usually) you're in the mood for protein, and sometimes you're just not, like it almost makes you sick to think about eating it? Sometimes you just want a vegetarian meal? Like your body is protein-saturated for the moment or something?


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As an O, I can pretty much guarantee that my body NEVER feels that way. Now, my BRAIN might want to sit down to a plate of starch, but my body is almost always saying, "NOOOOO".  It certainly says it after I've passed on the protein for something else!


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San j, an interesting question.
If I want protien, nothing else will satisfy. If I want vegetarian, protein kind of repulses me. And it seems to have a time-of-day rhythm to it. Vegan before mid-day at the earliest, or I get totally out of sorts. Body and mind.

It's always amazed me that some people don't care about food at all, like popcorn for dinner, or microwave glop. I don't crave things like I used to, but I know what I want, and what I don't want at any given time.
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Quoted from Averno
San j, an interesting question.
If I want protien, nothing else will satisfy. If I want vegetarian, protein kind of repulses me. And it seems to have a time-of-day rhythm to it. Vegan before mid-day at the earliest, or I get totally out of sorts. Body and mind.

It's always amazed me that some people don't care about food at all, like popcorn for dinner, or microwave glop. I don't crave things like I used to, but I know what I want, and what I don't want at any given time.


My daughter, age 14, is like that.   And skinny as a bean-pole.  Food is very secondary (or lower) in her life.



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I'm never "not in the mood for protein" unless I'm either "completely stuffed" or I'm sick and slightly nauseated. Even then, I'm not usually "sick" thinking about protein. Even when pleasantly full, I could very easily over-eat on protein and feel just fine. Even when ill, it's fat that sometimes nauseates me, not protein. Lean protein is often the first thing I'll eat after being ill, or lean protein mixed with carbs.

I can get cravings for carbs, and there are times when I've eaten enough protein and veggies and do need some starch to feel full and satisfied. If I don't pay attention to what I'm eating, it's not hard for me to over-eat starches because they don't really satisfy, while protein foods hold me better.


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Come to think of it, it's really not (animal) protein foods that I'd  really ever crave. Although sometimes the smell of good roast chicken does appeal to me...and then when thinking about it, it's not the chicken meat that's tastes so good to me...it's the crispy skin or the crunchy wing that I probably want most.

And I feel the same way about turkey...I want the crispy skin...not so much the turkey meat...and don't like dark meat chicken or turkey.  I used to be able to eat tons of shellfish....alas, all
toxins....I think I'd crave king crab meat or lobster meat most of all....dunked in clarified butter.
I think I could be tempted to eat that pretty often if allowed to do so.

I do sometimes want duck or lamb....but I reach my saturation point usually in one meal...I eat it and I'm done....sometimes for many weeks or even months. Fish, well, it has to be fabulously wonderful for it to appeal to me at all....probably salmon if it's super delicious...but I'd also eat it and tire of it quickly...hoping for something more appealing on my plate to lure me away.
Sushi tuna...that works...I like it a lot but probably I love the spicy mayo and the wasabi mustard
sauce drizzled on top... I'm happy eating veggies and starchy veggies even more....grains and beans are fine but often they make me remember how much I love lobster......I take breaks just to get a balance of foods, but couldn't see myself eating two major protein meals back to back.
Unless of course, I had permission to eat seafood.

Most type As eat too much animal protein for their body's ability to break it down, digest it
properly....too little HCL and I'm very aware of how well I digest plant proteins vs. animal proteins.  Also animal flesh is highly acidic....My joints get stiff from too much animal food.  It's a self correcting thing for me....but even if I go with my actual desires for flavor and aroma, I don't really love anything about meat....any chewy animal flesh...but like I said...give me shellfish and
I'm there.


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I think it could be a B thing, because other Bs on the board have noticed this.

Like - depending on one's particular ancestral history - animal flesh was not predictably available as one's clan crossed the desert, tundra, or steppe. So, one's physiology adapted to the occasional bunny or gazelle or goat, but not daily for longer than a certain number of days.

And now here we are in the modern West, expecting protein breakfast, lunch and dinner every day of every week, and it's just too much...Something like that.


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It's a seasonal thing for me. I tend to eat less protein of the animal variety in the summer than at other times of the year and I think it has to do with warmer weather. There are more juicy fruits available at this time of year and I crave them...peaches, watermelon, strawberries, blackberries, raspberries, blueberries and fresh garden veggies. My consumption of these foods goes up during the late spring and summer months.

I like meat and fortunately lamb and venison are on my personal SWAMI. I tend to eat more meat in the fall and winter months.

Lighter foods are more appealing in the summer to me anyway.


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you've uses Yaks, camels and dromedars ...........

and yup aminoacids are f fine aid while being moody  


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It's a seasonal thing for me. I tend to eat less protein of the animal variety in the summer than at other times of the year and I think it has to do with warmer weather. There are more juicy fruits available at this time of year and I crave them...peaches, watermelon, strawberries, blackberries, raspberries, blueberries and fresh garden veggies. My consumption of these foods goes up during the late spring and summer months.

I like meat and fortunately lamb and venison are on my personal SWAMI. I tend to eat more meat in the fall and winter months.

Lighter foods are more appealing in the summer to me anyway.



Oh yes, seasonal too. Much more savory menus in the colder months. Certain cravings then like yams, stews, rib-sticking foods. Much lighter fare in the summer.

Aren't macro-biotic diets based partially on seasonal fare? Nevertheless, I do sense a deeply primal rhythme to it, and my body tells me to pay attention.
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Seasonal --- I really seem to want heavy/warm foods in cooler weather. (stews & soups with meat)

Warm weather  --- I'm thrilled to pick a tomato, cucumber or apple (even a basil leaf or 2) and eat it right there on the spot and just skip a traditional meal all tog.

I do want protein sometimes but crave seems to be to strong a word. I'm just as happy with some nuts or peanut butter and celery as I am with a slice of turkey or cheese.  I think its more being aware of the need to remember to eat protein than to crave it.
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Quoted from Amazone I.
you've uses Yaks, camels and dromedars ...........


We used their milk. We used their hair, their urine and their dung. And most of all, we used them as conveyances!
But since we needed them for these things, we tended not to kill them just to get their meat, hides, teeth and bones, which we would use sparingly.  



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Very interesting column. I've still to figure out the Explorer-Warrior mutation type pattern of moving around and using energy and food. But when I eat a meat or nuts or beans or veggies or what ever I can only do so for a couple days straight and then it's turnaround time.....no 3rd day servings, here.....would make me ill.

Why can't I remember that for lamb and guacamole?

I should be spanked.


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I often want only veg food. Sometimes I know I need protein but I am just not in the mood for flesh.  Then I try to eat salmon, tuna, or beef meatballs. But it is under duress. Sometimes I just can't think of any compliant foods that are appetizing.

OTOH, I am grateful for my type O leanness. Since swami, I have avoided pasta, corn, cheese, and other stuff that I love and am very lean.

I asked DH this question. He is O+, has eaten a low carb meaty diet for years. He looked at me like I was crazy: Who could ever refuse meat?  




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Y'know how sometimes (maybe even usually) you're in the mood for protein, and sometimes you're just not, like it almost makes you sick to think about eating it? Sometimes you just want a vegetarian meal? Like your body is protein-saturated for the moment or something?

I almost always have protein in whatever I am eating.  Many times, I eat vegetarian, but have nuts, legumes or cheese in the meal.  Once in a while I'll eat only vegetables and/or fruit at a sitting, but it is rare.


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I almost always have protein in whatever I am eating.  Many times, I eat vegetarian, but have nuts, legumes or cheese in the meal.  Once in a while I'll eat only vegetables and/or fruit at a sitting, but it is rare.


Me, too.
When I eat a non-animal-flesh-inclusive meal, yes, it usually includes eggs, cheese, nuts, and/or beans. You're showing me that I really should have said Animal-flesh instead of protein!  



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Me, too.
When I eat a non-animal-flesh-inclusive meal, yes, it usually includes eggs, cheese, nuts, and/or beans. You're showing me that I really should have said Animal-flesh instead of protein!  



If you said that, animal protein, then yes, I always want protein, but not always animal protein. Sometimes I'm craving peanut butter or walnuts or beans and rice.


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Ditto. Always some protein, or I wouldn't be satisfied.
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can't agree- arab tribes and usbekes do eat their camels as well and dito for the chevres .....been there...was obliged to eat em.... not easy for me at all .....   to ride a beautiful animal and next day to find it onto my assiette .......


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can't agree- arab tribes and usbekes do eat their camels as well and dito for the chevres .....been there...was obliged to eat em.... not easy for me at all .....   to ride a beautiful animal and next day to find it onto my assiette .......



Amazone, I too find myself sometimes grudgingly having to accept my role in the "balance of nature". I can certainly appreciate my vegetarian friends point of view from a humane perpective (though one is a type O, and frankly, looks unhealthy).
For me at least, I've found that the health of the heart and mind depends a great deal on the health of the body. Reverse is also true, but for me it seems more "right side up" now. Maybe just balancing...
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Me, too.
When I eat a non-animal-flesh-inclusive meal, yes, it usually includes eggs, cheese, nuts, and/or beans. You're showing me that I really should have said Animal-flesh instead of protein!  


That makes more sense to me.  I always eat protein in some form, but there are days when I don’t eat meat or fish.  I’ve never been a big vegetable person, so I didn’t relate to that.  Sometimes my dinner will be rice, ghee, sea salt, herbs & mozzarella cheese.  Other times I may want an omelet with spinach & mushrooms.


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I made myself a bagel with cream cheese and smoked salmon for breakfast at 10:00.
(Coffee with cream at 7:30?)
But I couldn't eat it all - felt kin'a disgusted. Strange.

Then, at about 11:15, I had this strange feeling of hunger, but disgust at everything I could think of to eat. Real disgust, bordering on nausea! I wondered, "Do I only think I'm hungry? And why didn't I finish breakfast?"

The only thing that didn't gross me out to think about was...plain stalks of celery.
I sprinkled some sea salt on them.

Perfect! Like the earlier protein-load needed to be balanced? And the salt on the celery --- tasted sweet, actually. About a stalk and a half did the job, and now I feel just right.

That was weird.  


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Then, at about 11:15, I had this strange feeling of hunger, but disgust at everything I could think of to eat. Real disgust, bordering on nausea! I wondered, "Do I only think I'm hungry? And why didn't I finish breakfast?"

The only thing that didn't gross me out to think about was...plain stalks of celery.
I sprinkled some sea salt on them.

Perfect!

It sounds like your body gets as specific sometimes as mine is most of the time..  I usually can determine exactly what ingredients the body needs and then when it has had enough, the whole thought of eating any more is revolting...


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I made myself a bagel with cream cheese and smoked salmon for breakfast at 10:00.
(Coffee with cream at 7:30?)
But I couldn't eat it all - felt kin'a disgusted. Strange.

Then, at about 11:15, I had this strange feeling of hunger, but disgust at everything I could think of to eat. Real disgust, bordering on nausea! I wondered, "Do I only think I'm hungry? And why didn't I finish breakfast?"

The only thing that didn't gross me out to think about was...plain stalks of celery.
I sprinkled some sea salt on them.

Perfect! Like the earlier protein-load needed to be balanced? And the salt on the celery --- tasted sweet, actually. About a stalk and a half did the job, and now I feel just right.

That was weird.  



I go through this all the time, and thought it was just me. (Makes feeding oneself an adventure, doesn't it?) Kind of a physical signal with the gut tightening up, and the back of the throat/tongue issuing a warning. Almost a gag reflex. Definately disgust, as if eating rotten food, though the food is perfectly fine.

Ironically, I got a bad case of it last night while eating celery, and guess what? It tasted kind of sweet! I think that may just be the nature of the celery making the rounds lately.

Maybe it's hormonal? Don't pregnant women commonly experience something like this? I would like to think it's a normal reaction that normally healthy people experience, perhaps subconsciously, but it wouldn't explain why this has been my case even while unhealthy. Been this way since childhood, and nearly starved myself around year 8.

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It sounds like your body gets as specific sometimes as mine is most of the time..  I usually can determine exactly what ingredients the body needs and then when it has had enough, the whole thought of eating any more is revolting...


Just saw this...

Yes, exactly. Specific and somewhat uncompromising.
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It tasted kind of sweet! I think that may just be the nature of the celery making the rounds lately.

The sweetest celery is harvested in summer, yes. But I was referring to the salt.
Salt connoisseurs do distinguish between salts for their sweetness.


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This evening at Whole Foods, there was something I would have bought had they had it, in Prepared Foods.
There are other shops that carry it, and it's a big hit.
Years ago, Whole Foods carried it, and it was easy to resort to when it was the only thing that would do...

Simple...grilled...flank steak.
You're in the store. You're thinking you'd like something to eat when you get home. You're ready for some protein --- maybe just a slice or two. The other shop that has it does a great job...

Two slices of soft, medium rare flank steak. A few grilled asparagi. A green salad. That's dinner.
Without the salad: One slice wrapped negimaki-style around the asparagus: Lunch.

Life could be so simple. Compliance could be so simple. Instead the food there is so busy, or you have to go for sliced roast beef from the deli.

Grilled flank steak and grilled lamb chops, right? They can offer a whole case full of various flavors of roasted chicken, however.
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Chicken seems to be in everything, and even if your BT can tolerate it, it's terribly unhealthy. Who wants to eat an animal full of hormones, antibiotics, and sick from it's factory environment?

But we do. Many millions of them.  
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