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meribelle
Tuesday, August 21, 2012, 11:20am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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We just found out that my hubby is a non-secretor.  I am excited to find out because I always suspected he was one.  Do any of you A nonnies have any advice for us on good foods, especially wheat.  He loves his bread and cow milk.  He is gradually coming around to eating for his blood type, so I appreciate any and all input.  

Even though I am not perfect in the way I eat, I aim to eat in line with the guidelines!  I do not beat myself up when I fall off the path, but I try to do better the next time.  So often when it is implied that we are not good enough because we ate an avoid, it is discouraging to the point of wanting to give up.  Never, never, never give up on this way of eating.  It is the only way!


Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.  Blessings, meribelle
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Does he have a SWAMI? If not then the LR book will work just fine now that he knows his secretor staus.Wheat, corn, and dairy are avoids in the LR book for A nons along with some other items. A SWAMI will allow for more branching out. I have more meat and dairy choices than I had with LR. Soy is a black dot item that I treat as an avoid. I always knew soy was not a good food for me and now I know why.


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I am an A non-secretor and have eliminated almost all wheat from my diet and try to remain compliant with my dairy choices. Cows milk is not good, even if it's raw and straight from the bulk tank (which is the way I used to drink it).

I buy gluten free bread mix from Namaste Foods. There are several kinds to choose from. I buy them from Amazon's grocery section. Spelt is a good wheat to try as it is generally more digestible, but your husband may want to introduce it slowly because it does have gluten and his gut will likely need time to heal for a few months. The same goes with Ezekiel bread, cereal, and pasta. The harmful lectins are removed in the sprouting process, but he may still be somewhat sensitive to it and should be minimize portions starting out.

I am making my own nut and rice milk now as I've found not only am I saving money, but most commercial dairy free milk have non-compliant oils, additives, and gums that aren't good for most people.

Most people do find strict 100% compliance to be very unrealistic. What you two need to figure out is what avoids are the most problematic for you and taper them off as you continue to add as many beneficial foods as possible.

One other thing to add, sweeteners (refined and natural) tend to be more problematic for non-secretors, so be sure to be aware of how many sweets you are regularly eating as it will probably increase the likelihood of colds, viruses, and flu more so than in a secretor.

Good luck to you both.


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Cow milk is not good for A non secretors or anyone without a B in their blood type!  

The genotype diet could pinpoint things.  For example, if he is an explorer, then his diamonds will be different from what is a "normal" A diet, though all three possible A genotypes vary.
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For nonnies the benefits of conforming to the diet are even more wonderful, I think, than for secretors. It may seem hard to leave off the wheat and milk, but once a person does, no one has to tell them that they are better off without them!! Certainly turned my life around. No corn or beef for me, either!!


"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." -- Benjamin Franklin
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I think that beer is more acceptable for A nonnies if i remember right!
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Quoted from Spring
For nonnies the benefits of conforming to the diet are even more wonderful, I think, than for secretors. It may seem hard to leave off the wheat and milk, but once a person does, no one has to tell them that they are better off without them!! Certainly turned my life around. No corn or beef for me, either!!


And certainly true for me as well. (I can't speak for A's or AB's in general here, but I do lean towards the A side).
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I just knew and was so happy to find out I was a nonnie because I LOVE tomatoes and beer

No dairy (acne), no wheat (weight gain), and no soy ('blah-ness') and I am a new person!

Brown rice is my friend. I have rice & beans for breakfast & I feel sooo good. For lunch I have poached egg w tons of greens. Dinner is fish, turkey (SWAMI- once a week)...

Ever since I stopped mixing starches with animal protein I lost 10 lbs I didn't know I need to lose. (It could also be due to Trehalose which has changed my life).
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I just knew and was so happy to find out I was a nonnie because I LOVE tomatoes and beer

No dairy (acne), no wheat (weight gain), and no soy ('blah-ness') and I am a new person!

Brown rice is my friend. I have rice & beans for breakfast & I feel sooo good. For lunch I have poached egg w tons of greens. Dinner is fish, turkey (SWAMI- once a week)...

Ever since I stopped mixing starches with animal protein I lost 10 lbs I didn't know I need to lose. (It could also be due to Trehalose which has changed my life).


What is Trehalose?  Also, I thought he could not have tomatoes... I will have to check.  Thanks!


Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.  Blessings, meribelle
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I just checked and tomatoes are okay for nonnies!  Hooray!  We eat a lot of them here in Texas!  But I am still confused about the soy issue.  


Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.  Blessings, meribelle
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What is Trehalose?

It is a sugar that mostly doesn't get broken down in the human digestion.  It stimulates cellular cleaning.

Dr. D's supplement form:  http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP067


Blog about Trehalose:  http://generativemedicine.org/blogs/dadamolab/?p=78


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And here is a lengthy thread about it:
Yes, Trehalose Complex is definitely Wow!
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1328006355/


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  But I am still confused about the soy issue.  


Soy is neutral in the LR4YT book for A nonnies. The rating for soy in SWAMI for A nonnies depends on the genotype information entered in the software. For me as an A nonnie Explorer, soy is mostly a black dot item. I personally do not do well with soy but an A nonnie who genotypes as a Teacher or Warrior may get it as a superfood or diamond or neutral.


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I just checked and tomatoes are okay for nonnies!  Hooray!  We eat a lot of them here in Texas!  But I am still confused about the soy issue.  


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Quoted from meribelle
We just found out that my hubby is a non-secretor.  I am excited to find out because I always suspected he was one.  Do any of you A nonnies have any advice for us on good foods, especially wheat.  He loves his bread and cow milk.  He is gradually coming around to eating for his blood type, so I appreciate any and all input.  

Even though I am not perfect in the way I eat, I aim to eat in line with the guidelines!  I do not beat myself up when I fall off the path, but I try to do better the next time.  So often when it is implied that we are not good enough because we ate an avoid, it is discouraging to the point of wanting to give up.  Never, never, never give up on this way of eating.  It is the only way!


It's not about how "we aren't good enough" - it's about how we aren't good enough to OURSELVES. I don't know anyone here that's perfect. I know men can be exceptionally stubborn, though; I have a friend who had to have triple bypass surgery until he would finally listen to what I had to say and not get angry or interrupt me over it or accuse me of "following a protoscientist." He seems to think I look younger every time I see him. I tend to think so, too!

If your husband is a nonnie he already understands that he has less defenses, period, against the "beloved" cow milk and bread wheat grain. You haven't said what minor/major health problems he has suffered from (men don't like to talk about them).So if he finds himself waxing sentimental over a dish of ice cream or some buttered toast, you have my permission to tell your husband about my mother.

My mother has had depression for 30 YEARS now on a diet of wheat, bagels, cheese and "healthy cereal" ( and antidepressants), has heart arrythmia, arthritis, had to undergo a masectomy 2 years ago, and is in the early stages of untreated dementia -- as a result of her thinking that that her blood type -A- doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things, and despite seeing that I am  healed from 2 diseases already, and enjoy life without milk and wheat-wheat.

Milk and wheat kill A's "one day at a time" - but they do their work with a vengeance, and they do it well. So - it's not worth it to "beat yourself up" - but, it IS worth it to be afraid. Be very, VERY AFRAID!!!!!




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Soy is neutral in the LR4YT book for A nonnies. The rating for soy in SWAMI for A nonnies depends on the genotype information entered in the software. For me as an A nonnie Explorer, soy is mostly a black dot item. I personally do not do well with soy but an A nonnie who genotypes as a Teacher or Warrior may get it as a superfood or diamond or neutral.


He turned out to be a "Teacher" genotype, so I guess I can keep with the soy for him.  He is gradually leaving cow milk (which he loves) for soy milk.  Thanks for the explanation.


Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.  Blessings, meribelle
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While it is true that soy is a diamond for me (Swami; Warrior) I have noticed that it makes me feel 'blah' or 'down'. Almost depressed. Dunno why. And it's possible that it was wheat so I may give it another try...
Also, my testosterone levels have tested elevated- and I think this makes me feel great and upbeat. I wonder if the soy alters this a bit for me? (I have no idea)...
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He turned out to be a "Teacher" genotype, so I guess I can keep with the soy for him.  He is gradually leaving cow milk (which he loves) for soy milk.


If you are using commercial soy milk, you should check the ingredients to see if it contains carrageenan. This is an avoid for teachers.  There are varities that do not.

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-GC/m-1248613252/



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Almond milk is also a good alternative.
Above all, avoid gliandin.  (All grains have gluten, but not glutens are the same just like all fats aren't the same or all amino acids aren't the same.  They're a category.  Wheat, barley, rye, and oats, I think, have the gliandin component to gluten.)  But there are plenty of other beneficial flours/grains to try!

A-non, B-non, and AB non-secretors lack the "free-floating antigens" in their digestive fluids that act as decoys to which gliandin will agglutinate to.  Instead gliandin will damage cells in the stomach (in my case leading to lower intrinsic factor, leading to B-12 deficiency, leading to depression and anemia) or damage the intestines which could lead to leaky gut syndrome, where large undigested food particles can enter the blood (possibly causing some allergies).   These are just some of the symptoms that can arise from a non-celiac gluten-sensitivity common in non-secretors.

Good luck!
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Quoted from Johnny B.
Almond milk is also a good alternative.
Above all, avoid gliandin.  (All grains have gluten, but not glutens are the same just like all fats aren't the same or all amino acids aren't the same.  They're a category.  Wheat, barley, rye, and oats, I think, have the gliandin component to gluten.)  But there are plenty of other beneficial flours/grains to try!

A-non, B-non, and AB non-secretors lack the "free-floating antigens" in their digestive fluids that act as decoys to which gliandin will agglutinate to.  Instead gliandin will damage cells in the stomach (in my case leading to lower intrinsic factor, leading to B-12 deficiency, leading to depression and anemia) or damage the intestines which could lead to leaky gut syndrome, where large undigested food particles can enter the blood (possibly causing some allergies).   These are just some of the symptoms that can arise from a non-celiac gluten-sensitivity common in non-secretors.

Good luck!


But the lists say that an A_ns can have oats, barley and rye.  Now I am really confused.  But almond milk is a great idea.  I will get some tomorrow.


Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.  Blessings, meribelle
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You're right.  LR4YT says oats, barley, and rye are okay.  However, if your husband has whitelines on his fingerprints, consider barley and rye avoids and oats a black dot item.
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Quoted from Johnny B.
You're right.  LR4YT says oats, barley, and rye are okay.  However, if your husband has whitelines on his fingerprints, consider barley and rye avoids and oats a black dot item.


Gee whiz!  I never thought about finger prints!  You know the saying about leading a horse to water....I am just grateful he consented to the secretor test.  Tomorrow I am going to try to make A-friendly bread!


Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.  Blessings, meribelle
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It's not about how "we aren't good enough" - it's about how we aren't good enough to OURSELVES. I don't know anyone here that's perfect. I know men can be exceptionally stubborn, though; I have a friend who had to have triple bypass surgery until he would finally listen to what I had to say and not get angry or interrupt me over it or accuse me of "following a protoscientist." He seems to think I look younger every time I see him. I tend to think so, too!

If your husband is a nonnie he already understands that he has less defenses, period, against the "beloved" cow milk and bread wheat grain. You haven't said what minor/major health problems he has suffered from (men don't like to talk about them).So if he finds himself waxing sentimental over a dish of ice cream or some buttered toast, you have my permission to tell your husband about my mother.

My mother has had depression for 30 YEARS now on a diet of wheat, bagels, cheese and "healthy cereal" ( and antidepressants), has heart arrythmia, arthritis, had to undergo a masectomy 2 years ago, and is in the early stages of untreated dementia -- as a result of her thinking that that her blood type -A- doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things, and despite seeing that I am  healed from 2 diseases already, and enjoy life without milk and wheat-wheat.

Milk and wheat kill A's "one day at a time" - but they do their work with a vengeance, and they do it well. So - it's not worth it to "beat yourself up" - but, it IS worth it to be afraid. Be very, VERY AFRAID!!!!!



Thank you for sharing about your mother.  My husband is in recovery from leukemia.  The worst kind of leukemia...AML.  He is so lucky to be alive.  I fed him with the diet as best as I could when he was with me.  The choices he made when he was not eating my cooking are his responsibility.   I am convinced that he is alive because of Dr. D's cancer book.  I encouraged him to eat lots of peanuts and other foods listed as beneficials.  He is rather like some of us, who know the right things to eat, yet on occasion but the avoids in our mouths.  Stay on the path!


Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.  Blessings, meribelle
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maribelle,
until you run your husband s swami, you will not know how barley, rye and oats rate for him.


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