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wanthanee
Friday, July 20, 2012, 5:30am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Hi everyone, I was wondering if there’s a difference between the names Broad bean fava and fava bean.
Is this the same thing?  Am I missing an update on the website?  I appreciate any help you can give me.  Thank you.

In the Genotype Diet book, it says on page 226:
Superfoods: Broad bean, fava is a Diamond for The teacher Diet.

Toxins to Limit or Avoid:  Fava bean is a black dot.

These two statements seem to contradict each other and are making me confused.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicia_faba

Also, there is an item named Genoma Derma.  In the ingredients it says it has Grape Seed Extract: Vitis vinifera, standardized to contain 95%
I am concerned because Grapes are Toxins that I am supposed to limit or avoid. Do you think I can still take Genoma Derma? (I bought this item before I got the Genotype diet book)
Thank you so much.


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Genoma Derma-Yes

Often grapes are an avoid because they are high in sugar, have mold on the skin and encourage bacterial overgrowth.

This would not seem to be a problem with grape seed extract which is derived from a part of the grape that is not normally eaten and would not have the above problems.


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On Fava Beans.

>Fava bean is a black dot.

I think this entry should not be there.

SWAMI is more recent than GenoType, but is based on the same food data. It does not include "Fava bean" only "Broad bean, fava",

I think that is the way the book should be.

The SWAMI rating for this teacher for "Broad bean, fava" matches the value in the book.

I think you should ignore the black dot rating in the book.


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Hello Wanthanee;
I agree that there are typos in the books and maybe SWAMI but before I SWAMIed I was eating the Egyptian style Fava that looks brown with a black mark on its side.Then for Explorer I had to get rid of it. Then I SWAMIed. Fava reappeared on my SWAMI  as beneficial and I have never had a problem feeling ill eating this kind of Fava. You can taste how much good iron is in it when you eat it. Enjoy!


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Genoma Derma-Yes

Often grapes are an avoid because they are high in sugar, have mold on the skin and encourage bacterial overgrowth.

This would not seem to be a problem with grape seed extract which is derived from a part of the grape that is not normally eaten and would not have the above problems.


Hi C_sharp, thank you.


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Hello Wanthanee;
I agree that there are typos in the books and maybe SWAMI but before I SWAMIed I was eating the Egyptian style Fava that looks brown with a black mark on its side.Then for Explorer I had to get rid of it. Then I SWAMIed. Fava reappeared on my SWAMI  as beneficial and I have never had a problem feeling ill eating this kind of Fava. You can taste how much good iron is in it when you eat it. Enjoy!


Hi Seraffa, thank you. I will try Broad bean Fava.


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I was wondering if there’s a difference between the names Broad bean fava and fava bean. Is this the same thing? . . . Also, there is an item named Genoma Derma.

Hi wanthanee, I double-checked Purdue University's extensive plant database and the common names broad bean and fava or faba bean (for Vicia faba L.) are used interchangeably, but refer to the same plant. Thus, there's no difference. I also checked my SWAMI food list and they [broad bean/fava] are listed together (fortunately, for me, they're a superfood ... although I can no longer eat them whilst having a glass of Chianti at the same meal ).

One thing to remember when using the fresh or mature (dried) bean, though, is to remove the 'second' skin. It was noted in the British Journal of Nutrition that the actual seed coat (testa), the thin membrane surrounding the bean, contains appreciable levels of anti-nutritional factors, i.e., trypsin inhibitors, functional lectins, condensed tannins, pyrimidine glycosides, et cetera, which are able to negatively affect digestibility of the beans by inhibiting enzymatic activity. Interestingly, most cultures that regularly incoporate fava beans into their dietary customs tend to remove this second skin (doing so long before the study was ever published or the Journal even existed).

An easy way to remove the seed coat from fresh beans is, once you've removed the beans from their pods, to place the beans on a cookie sheet in a single layer and put the beans in your freezer for about half an hour. Remove the beans from the freezer and let them thaw for about five minutes. Then, using your thumb and forefinger, apply pressure to the back half of the bean and it'll slide right out (don't use too much pressure or it'll 'shoot' out). If using mature fava beans, soak them overnight and, using the same technique, the beans should pop right out of their seed coat.

As for the Genoma Derma, in addition to what C_sharp said, I noticed that Doctor D'Adamo also lists this product under the "Right for All Types" category. So, it's fine.



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One thing to remember when using the fresh or mature (dried) bean, though, is to remove the 'second' skin. It was noted in the British Journal of Nutrition that the actual seed coat (testa), the thin membrane surrounding the bean, contains appreciable levels of anti-nutritional factors, i.e., trypsin inhibitors, functional lectins, condensed tannins, pyrimidine glycosides, et cetera, which are able to negatively affect digestibility of the beans by inhibiting enzymatic activity.


The lectin in fava beans show some ability to slow the progression of colon cancer.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10205210

Some condensed tannins are sold for their health benefits, e.g. flavanols.

And so on....  
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Some condensed tannins are sold for their health benefits, e.g. flavanols. And so on....  

True, don't believe science has quite figured out phytates yet. Just finished reading an interesting book titled Food Phytates (Reddy, R; Sathe, S) on the positive heath effects of phytates. You might like it. Just be sure to get it through your local library's interlibrary loan program as the book retails for over two hundred dollars.



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The lectin in fava beans show some ability to slow the progression of colon cancer.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10205210

Some condensed tannins are sold for their health benefits, e.g. flavanols.

And so on....  


Hi Lloyd, thank you very much.


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Hi wanthanee, I double-checked Purdue University's extensive plant database and the common names broad bean and fava or faba bean (for Vicia faba L.) are used interchangeably, but refer to the same plant. Thus, there's no difference. I also checked my SWAMI food list and they [broad bean/fava] are listed together (fortunately, for me, they're a superfood ... although I can no longer eat them whilst having a glass of Chianti at the same meal ).

As for the Genoma Derma, in addition to what C_sharp said, I noticed that Doctor D'Adamo also lists this product under the "Right for All Types" category. So, it's fine.


Hi Coner,thanks a lot for double-checking for me.  "Chianti wine" Wow..  How does it taste? Is it sweet? I like wine which has a sweet taste.  Wow..I would like to try that one.

So, are you saying you can not eat Fava bean with wine?

I saw fava beens (not organic) in the store but it was from China so it made me scared.  Plus it was $7.99 for just one bag (more than organic lentils).  I wasn't sure if it was safe or not.

I can never find fresh fava beans locally.

I am so sorry for my English. All of these takes me so long to write.


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"Chianti wine" Wow..  How does it taste? Is it sweet? I like wine which has a sweet taste.  Wow..I would like to try that one. So, are you saying you can not eat Fava bean with wine?

Chianti is an Italian red wine. A young Chianti, especially one made with a higher blend proportion of the Malvasia bianca (white) grape to the red Sangiovese grape will have a predominantly floral bouquet with undertones of raspberry, cherry and plum. As for fava beans with Chianti, I was making a joke in reference to the movie 'Silence of the Lambs.' During the movie, the main antagonist, Hannibal Lecter (a murderous cannibal, as well as a genius level psychopath), commented about a census taker that had once tried to test him, saying, "I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti."



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Chianti is an Italian red wine. A young Chianti, especially one made with a higher blend proportion of the Malvasia bianca (white) grape to the red Sangiovese grape will have a predominantly floral bouquet with undertones of raspberry, cherry and plum. As for fava beans with Chianti, I was making a joke in reference to the movie 'Silence of the Lambs.' During the movie, the main antagonist, Hannibal Lecter (a murderous cannibal, as well as a genius level psychopath), commented about a census taker that had once tried to test him, saying, "I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti."


Oh, got it. You just gave me a good laugh.  


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Your English is better than many in the US.. just write.. we will figure it out..  



When I see other peoples medicines schedule-I am happy to be here taking care of my health I only wish to drop weight more easily-life would be perfectionBeing 'here' creates understanding. BTD prevents damage from eating avoids. Thanks Dr D & your sups - all support and friendships
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Your English is better than many in the US.. just write.. we will figure it out..  



Hi Goldie, thank you. I wish I knew how to write more.  It would be very useful.
Often I have a helper to proof (my husband) but sometimes not.  I still think back sometimes and wonder how I was able to pass the required test for my job.  I had to answer from memory and was so nervous because I wasn’t confident in my English.  Oh my God!  It took a long time for me to finish.  I came home drained of energy and walk like Monkey.  I was sure I wouldn’t get the job because it was very difficult to me.  I wasn’t sure what some of the questions were asking.   It took just about a week before they called me for a 2nd interview.  Wow, my heart was dancing so fast and I felt so energetic after I passed the interview.  Then they said I have to test one more time with HR.  When they said that, once again my energy level dropped and I was so worried.  But this time they give me a book along with the test so that I could look up the answers.  Finally, yes I did it!
Anyway, Goldie, about SWAMI,  Do I have to do the Taster a compound called phenylthiocarbamide(PTC)?
What about Rh? I don’t know my Rh. Can I still use SWAMI.  
Thank you in advance for your help.


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In Swami you need only a few answers to make it work.. it helps to know the blood type positive or negative..

your weight and hight, what ever else you can answer.. Swami will adjust to what you give it.. and it is on computer to print the food list for shopping.., but the books are nearly as good..

What book are you following?  I forgot..

RH does not matter, but it will tell you about your ancestry.. .. as far as I know that will give some answers but that is all..

More important is the test for secreter or none secreter.. that matters more.. You might be able to have your doctor check it for you in a laboratory he uses.. I will try and remember the name.. it escapes me right now.. sorry


When I see other peoples medicines schedule-I am happy to be here taking care of my health I only wish to drop weight more easily-life would be perfectionBeing 'here' creates understanding. BTD prevents damage from eating avoids. Thanks Dr D & your sups - all support and friendships
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In Swami you need only a few answers to make it work.. it helps to know the blood type positive or negative..

your weight and hight, what ever else you can answer.. Swami will adjust to what you give it.. and it is on computer to print the food list for shopping.., but the books are nearly as good..

What book are you following?  I forgot..

RH does not matter, but it will tell you about your ancestry.. .. as far as I know that will give some answers but that is all..

More important is the test for secreter or none secreter.. that matters more.. You might be able to have your doctor check it for you in a laboratory he uses.. I will try and remember the name.. it escapes me right now.. sorry


Hi Goldie, I am following Geno Type Diet.

I have 4 books. though. Eat Right for your type book, Gono Type Diet Book, Cook Right for your type and complete Encyclopedia book.

I know my blood type but I don't know positive or negative.. I will find out soon. And it is
secreter. Thank you very much for the information. I wish you all the best.  


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