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marjorie
Monday, July 16, 2012, 7:34pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I am still adjusting to my recent move, however, I am wondering if anyone has hit a plateau during their lifestyle?

I am still working out ALOT, eating BTD ( mainly) and feel as if I am not losing inches or weight at all. The only thing I can figure out is perhaps I am eating too much on portions or not enough? Something needs to change. Also, I have only had beef once in 3 weeks,so maybe this is why I feel blah.

Also, the whole idea of calories in and calories out seems to be ridiculous. I tracked my calories for two days and how much I burned and I was in a deficit of at least 500 per day.. I dont even eat enough in calories to maintain what I burn off at the gym. However, I am still not losing weight.

I did increase my weights hoping that would trigger something, but nothing happened.

Just want to keep being healthy and not gain weight!

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You may be at a healthy weight right now. It's also possible that, while you may still have some pounds to go, you've lost enough weight that other health issues are now a higher priority for your body. Alternatively, new health challenges have cropped up that are more important to your body than weight loss. Once your body does that other healing, weight loss may resume.

Lack of beef can definitely make an O feel weak, lethargic, and depressed. At least, that's been my own personal experience. Eating too little can interfere with metabolism, leading to weight gain or, at least, lack of weight loss. And stress can do all kinds of strange things to our bodies. The stress of the move may be interfering with weight loss and/or proper overall health. Once you get settled in, that should resolve all on its own.

My advice to you is to try to let go of these worries. Work on getting yourself settled into your new home, with all those annoying details that may entail. Make some new friends, being sure to also schedule time just for yourself. Exercise and nourish your body with the right foods, and trust your body to heal as it needs to and to lose weight when it's the right time.

Your job is to eat right, exercise, rest, and nourish your soul.  It's your body's job to actually let go of extra fat. You do your job, and trust your body to do its job.


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How many ounces of protein are you eating? And you're mixing it up, fish, red and poultry? Do you eat alot of starch or sugar? Too much exercise and too little food intake can definately lead to a plateau. That doesn't mean you need to go nuts either. Do you feel hungry often? I don't do as well on alot of red meat but I do eat 2 ounces or so a few times a week. a few things that made me plateau are too much saturated fat and not enough protein. The scale didn't move much with the too litttle protein but I was losing muscle. I stick to around 70-80g animal protein a day and alot of it is fish, but not all. I do turkey, eggs and red meats too. I just try to keep the saturated fat down. Too little protein OR too much saturated fat bog me down. If one feels bogged down, somethijng needs to change. I eat plenty of fat in the form of olive oil and whatever is in my protein. I am low carb though (always under 50, usually around 30-40), so I need more fat. Hope this helps


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Quoted from marjorie


I am still working out ALOT, eating BTD ( mainly) and feel as if I am not losing inches or weight at all.

I did increase my weights hoping that would trigger something, but nothing happened.


Could be you are putting on muscle right now. Give it some time for your bodyshape to redefine itself  

Do you food combine? I believe it tunes up an O's metabolism...

Might be worth re- reading the book.
I find, I tend to stick to a certain routine and when I re-read, I then realise that I have slipped into some 'bad' habits that I wasn't even aware of.

Portion size and frequency are quite important, I think, if you are looking for weight loss.

Best of luck!
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Thanks all for the help. I think you really hit the mark, Ruthie, on letting my worries go. I am doing the best I can with what I have and that is all I can do. I actually was underweight for years, so this is the highest I have been in a long time. I have been under 115 for years at 5'4. However, I think I am closer to 120 now and just feeling heavy. For sure, I think most of it is muscle, but I definitely want my stomach to feel better overall. Stress can be the culprit as well, and maybe I am holding on to fat and not letting it go.

Nourishing my soul is important and I have not met friend since the move, nor am I working yet. Therefore, all I do is read and workout. This is not healthy for me in some ways because I tend to analyze and focus much on weight.

Thank you for the advice. I will try to not focus on the number and really listen to what my body is telling me.
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Quoted from yvonneb

Could be you are putting on muscle right now. Give it some time for your bodyshape to redefine itself  

Do you food combine? I believe it tunes up an O's metabolism...

Might be worth re- reading the book.
I find, I tend to stick to a certain routine and when I re-read, I then realise that I have slipped into some 'bad' habits that I wasn't even aware of.

Portion size and frequency are quite important, I think, if you are looking for weight loss.am not

Best of luck!


Thank you! I actually read my swami last night and brought the BTD book out once again to remind me of what I can do to spice up things! Then, I woke up to your reply, good karma

So, I am going to try some spices and add more beef into my regimen. I do think it is muscle, but I feel kind of heavy right now compared to my body before. I am not going to get on the scale out of pure fear of it being not a number I want to see. I think my focus needs to be on stopping when I am full and eating when I am hungry. Not rocket science, but hard when I am so used to being 110 and sometimes lower.

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How many ounces of protein are you eating? And you're mixing it up, fish, red and poultry? Do you eat alot of starch or sugar? Too much exercise and too little food intake can definately lead to a plateau. That doesn't mean you need to go nuts either. Do you feel hungry often? I don't do as well on alot of red meat but I do eat 2 ounces or so a few times a week. a few things that made me plateau are too much saturated fat and not enough protein. The scale didn't move much with the too litttle protein but I was losing muscle. I stick to around 70-80g animal protein a day and alot of it is fish, but not all. I do turkey, eggs and red meats too. I just try to keep the saturated fat down. Too little protein OR too much saturated fat bog me down. If one feels bogged down, somethijng needs to change. I eat plenty of fat in the form of olive oil and whatever is in my protein. I am low carb though (always under 50, usually around 30-40), so I need more fat. Hope this helps




Hi! yes, this helps. So, I think I am not eating enough throughout my day. I do not eat much starch or sugar at all, usually under 50 grams of carbs as well. I do need more meat, but taking it slow. Also, since my move to WI, I have not found gf beed at 95% lean which is what I was eating in CO, I did find 90/10 at WF, so I guess that will do. I agree with you on the saturated fats, I do better with lean protein and not a ton of oils.. but if I am low carb, then maybe I need to up the olive oil a little. I definitely need more than 2 oz of protein in one portion, this I know for sure. I do very heavy weight lifting and cardio almost 2 hours a day, and my body feels sick if I do not get the protein.

One thing is for sure.... it is hot as HECK here. OMG! I am not used to this humidity being in CO for 2 years. Good thing I am from NY so I know how to adjust to it

I am exploring and trying to focus on other things instead of food/weight. New place, no friends, but I am confident it will come together.

Thank you!
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Marjorie,
Our metabolisms seem to like the same macronutrient profiles. I tend to do best on about 10-15% carbs all in non starchy veggies and a few berries or cherries. I'm digging the rainer cherries right now but I only eat 1 or 2 after a meal. . I eat about 65% fat. Those fats are the fats in my fish, poultry or reds. If I have ground red, I usually don't make a patty but instead, fry it into like taco meat for a salad or something that I can drain some fat. Then about 23-26% protein. I do not lift heavy weights but I am just now starting to. I do much more cardio, walking or body weight exercises like yoga and pilates. I do however need to build more muscle at this juncture. I have started to lose some
What I have found through trial and error is too much protein or too little and things get messed up. Also, for sure the saturated. I use the standard 1-1.5 T on a salad of either olive or sesame and sometimes walnut oils. I have 2-3 med salads a day. I aslo eat a ton of broccoli, some celery, carrots radishes for snacks in between meals. Sometimes I'll have some nuts or seeds or nut butters but I keep my portions small. I usually eat 4 2.5 oz portions of animal protein a day give or take a bit. My stomach and blood sugar like incomong food every two hours and my stomach like it best on the small side. Heavy oils bog me down too. I just recently upped my protein a bit lately and feel better, more energy. It doesn't seem to take a lot to qualify as too much or too little and sometimes it's hard to figure out the missing piece. In my long windedness it comes down to with me, too little food OR too much food both make me feel heavy. If you've recently cut back, maybe that's it or if you've recently added, that could be it. Stressful times can require a bit more as well
AND YES! it is dang hot here! We've never had a summer like this.


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Marjorie,
Our metabolisms seem to like the same macronutrient profiles. I tend to do best on about 10-15% carbs all in non starchy veggies and a few berries or cherries. I'm digging the rainer cherries right now but I only eat 1 or 2 after a meal. . I eat about 65% fat. Those fats are the fats in my fish, poultry or reds. If I have ground red, I usually don't make a patty but instead, fry it into like taco meat for a salad or something that I can drain some fat. Then about 23-26% protein. I do not lift heavy weights but I am just now starting to. I do much more cardio, walking or body weight exercises like yoga and pilates. I do however need to build more muscle at this juncture. I have started to lose some
What I have found through trial and error is too much protein or too little and things get messed up. Also, for sure the saturated. I use the standard 1-1.5 T on a salad of either olive or sesame and sometimes walnut oils. I have 2-3 med salads a day. I aslo eat a ton of broccoli, some celery, carrots radishes for snacks in between meals. Sometimes I'll have some nuts or seeds or nut butters but I keep my portions small. I usually eat 4 2.5 oz portions of animal protein a day give or take a bit. My stomach and blood sugar like incomong food every two hours and my stomach like it best on the small side. Heavy oils bog me down too. I just recently upped my protein a bit lately and feel better, more energy. It doesn't seem to take a lot to qualify as too much or too little and sometimes it's hard to figure out the missing piece. In my long windedness it comes down to with me, too little food OR too much food both make me feel heavy. If you've recently cut back, maybe that's it or if you've recently added, that could be it. Stressful times can require a bit more as well
AND YES! it is dang hot here! We've never had a summer like this.


Thanks For sure,  I do think our bodies like a simple lifestyle, and if I stray from this, I gain or lose weight fast. I eat many of the same things you do, tons of broccoli, carrots, peppers,celery and protein. Interesting, I will try to add a bit more fats into the plan and see how it goes.

All about finding the right balance.

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about how many ounces of protein are you eating?


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I will try to add a bit more fats into the plan and see how it goes.

All about finding the right balance.



I think good Fats are good for you. We do live in a society that is quite fat averse, you are always seeing 'low fat', 'reduced fat'. fat content on food labels and so on. I often feel myself jumping back at the sign of fats so I am trying to train myself to stop and think it through.






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about how many ounces of protein are you eating?


Hi
I counted today and it was about 65 grams but I think I was up to 100 before. No way could that have been healthy. Also, I dont want to cut back on weights because everyone always says we lose muscle as we age, however, I feel like I am trying to hard and building unnecessary muscle... does that make sense?

I also think I need to adapt to a slower lifestyle until school starts. I was living in a big city, working out everyday and working 2 jobs.

For the last 2 weeks, I moved to a smaller city ( less walking) and not working. Even though I am going to the gym for 2 hours a day, that is not healthy either. I will get there, just need to stay with the uncomfortable feelings and work through them.

Thanks for your guidance! I still seem to lose weight when I cut back on my olive oil, though. This I noticed before.
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Please do not be upset with me that I am dwelling on the weight. But, how can I accept that I am gaining or staying the same weight when I am following btd and working out. Something has to be wrong here... yesterday, I had smoked fish/tofu with veggies for dinner, a pear for a later snack and some dried fruits and nuts throughout the day. Oh, for breakfast... 2 oz of chicken with veggies.

Today, I worked out intense  2 hours of cardio and half an hour of weights. I definitely thought the scale would be down a little bit, even if it was water.
NOPEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-- it was the same. Come on, really? I am not comfortable at this weight and actually getting a little concerned as I age that my weight is increasing with this lifestyle.
Once I accept this weight, then I am concerned that I will keep accepting as I get larger.

Please tell me if anyone has any ideas. When I decrease portions, I seem overly fatigued. There has to be a healthy way to handle this.
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Please do not be upset with me that I am dwelling on the weight....

Once I accept this weight, then I am concerned that I will keep accepting as I get larger.

Please tell me if anyone has any ideas. When I decrease portions, I seem overly fatigued. There has to be a healthy way to handle this.

Maybe you need to do a body fat test as a semi-verification of whether you are gaining muscle or fat.  If the ratio is within reason, you may have to accept that this is a healthy weight for you, but the acceptance is done with a reasonable assurance that you are at a good place for you.  

It is difficult to accept that a heavier you is OK when you have fought with size perception issues for a long time.  Just keep your focus on feeling good and eating enough to maintain it.


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Maybe you need to do a body fat test as a semi-verification of whether you are gaining muscle or fat.  If the ratio is within reason, you may have to accept that this is a healthy weight for you, but the acceptance is done with a reasonable assurance that you are at a good place for you.  

It is difficult to accept that a heavier you is OK when you have fought with size perception issues for a long time.  Just keep your focus on feeling good and eating enough to maintain it.


Thanks for replying. I am not sure how I can accept the weight but I know something has to change. I appreciate you being thoughtful and providing insight. Maybe a body fat analysis will help.

This probably has a lot to do with my move, and right now I am bored with no friends in a new town.
I will get through it, just another obstacle and I have faced bigger ones before.
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OK Marjorie,
I was having the same thing as you the last few months, worked out more, harder and longer, cut portions and started to feel fatigued and weak muscles. I didn't do it on purpose. It's summer and as you know hot here so I wasn't hungry for big meals, I was going to the gym more often to my high intensity one hour cardio classes. My stomach was getting worse as well and I felt bogged down. Too many classes in a row and I could hardly get through them. Started researching and found lots of stuff about low carb and high intensity or chronic cardio with glcogen being used as fuel and not getting restored. In short, I kept emptying my glycogen stores and never replenishing because I'm low carb and I inadvertantly also cut my protein as well, the two things that replenish glycogen. (my blood sugar was going up too because my liver was dumping glucose to fuel me)
This last week, I stopped the gym, upped my protein and calories(actually by a bunch) in general. My energy is back, my blood sugar is back to normal,my stomach is great and the scale is down 3#'s.All this happened in the first few days. I was definately over training based on my caloric needs, sounds like you are too. When you are low carb you are never supposed to do high intensity OR long duration training. You can't replace your glcogen fast enough. Now I do a 15-20 min brisk walk 2x a day (heart rate between 60-75%) and all is great. Google low carb and high intensity exercise.
Perhaps try not exercising and uppong your calories for a few days and see what happens. You're certainly not going to gain anyhting measurable even if it doesn't work for you.


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OK Marjorie,
I was having the same thing as you the last few months, worked out more, harder and longer, cut portions and started to feel fatigued and weak muscles. I didn't do it on purpose. It's summer and as you know hot here so I wasn't hungry for big meals, I was going to the gym more often to my high intensity one hour cardio classes. My stomach was getting worse as well and I felt bogged down. Too many classes in a row and I could hardly get through them. Started researching and found lots of stuff about low carb and high intensity or chronic cardio with glcogen being used as fuel and not getting restored. In short, I kept emptying my glycogen stores and never replenishing because I'm low carb and I inadvertantly also cut my protein as well, the two things that replenish glycogen. (my blood sugar was going up too because my liver was dumping glucose to fuel me)
This last week, I stopped the gym, upped my protein and calories(actually by a bunch) in general. My energy is back, my blood sugar is back to normal,my stomach is great and the scale is down 3#'s.All this happened in the first few days. I was definately over training based on my caloric needs, sounds like you are too. When you are low carb you are never supposed to do high intensity OR long duration training. You can't replace your glcogen fast enough. Now I do a 15-20 min brisk walk 2x a day (heart rate between 60-75%) and all is great. Google low carb and high intensity exercise.
Perhaps try not exercising and uppong your calories for a few days and see what happens. You're certainly not going to gain anyhting measurable even if it doesn't work for you.


Hi
This makes sense when I look back to when I did not exercise as much. I was at alower weight. I think my body just is conditioned ( and mind) to thinking I have to workout so much, and it is a good thing in many ways. I think part of my issue is I am not working, so I get bored and nervous that I will gain weight when I am not doing anything productive.

However, today I did a weight class and that was it. Just an hour.. then I got a massage and rested on my couch for a little bit, reading alot!! I drank alot of water to flush out my system and just took your advice. Thank you. I am sure it will be better once I start school and work in a few weeks. I actually will be working this week but not sure if it will be a permenant position. One day at a time.

I really appreciate your help, I was tempted to go buy a scale to have in my home and start watching my weight on that one versus the gym. However, this would not be a good thing, I want to start listening to my body and not depend on the scale to determine how I am feeling.

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Sounds good Marjorie,
I know what you mean about thinking you need to and wanting to work out, especially when bored but I can't tell you how counter-productive that is. You are at a good weight right now right? I should NOT lose any more weight. Since I wasn't fueling myself for that kind and much exercise I started losing muscle too. Maybe try just walking slow to moderately for a few days and see how your body responds, you'll still be doing some exercise, just keep your heart rate below 130 and onlt do that for 20 min then walk slower (fat burning) . High intesity burns glycogen, moderate burns glucose and slow burns fat. I can honestly tell you that I lose more fat doing slow/moderate exercise than high intensity. I just 'think' the harder I work, the better it is. NOT. Try not going to the gym for a few days and take a walk outside and get your viatmin D. Let your body rest for a few days...I think you'll be surprised


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I was concerned when you mentioned working out for 2 hours and then only having 2 ounces of protein with dinner. When you do heavy workouts, your body needs more food! Over work/under feed yourself,and your metabolism slows down. A lot of people can't lose weight until they're eating enough and resting enough.

But, of course, eating too much will cause weight gain- the key is to eat "just enough" and that can be hard to figure out. Since "eating less and working out more" hasn't been working for you, I think it's time to try the opposite approach.


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