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D.L.
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O.K., Victoria. Here is the food addiction thread you suggested. I was really, really addicted to cola drinks. I could sip on one all day instead of eating. I started drinking them when I started college at age 17 instead of milk, (which I grew up on, love and am allergic to).  I would try to quit, but would get bad headaches. The stint in the hospital hooked up to machines took away the headaches and I haven't had any caffeine in a 1 1/2 years. I know if I have just one I'll be back on them again. That happened when I was off for 3 years when I had ulcers. One sip and yum, addiction was back. I have a sweet tooth and love cakes, pies, ice cream, doughnuts, chocolate, all of which I can't have either because of eggs, milk, gluten.  We always had desserts at home and Mom baked the best cookies. Sometimes I think if I could only have pizza and a coke, or a chololate milkshake, or chocolate candy bar and a coke I would be so happy. But alas, not for me any more. I don't have any other addictions. I never smoked or drank alcohol. Just give me some chocolate and a coke, hehe.
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Thanks for starting this thread D. L.  

Rather than repeat what I wrote on the recent thread about giving up dairy, I'm going to share the link here in case you want to read what I commented about my dairy addiction.

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1340406685/



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I think I am addicted now to just about anything on my diet that will make me feel good!!  Feeling good outweighs everything else!!


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D.L. Thank you for starting this valuable thread.  
Do you see this as basically a caffeine addiction or is it for specifically coke and chocolate?

To other folks, I am curious about food addictions that are not connected to a substance that in itself, is already addictive.  Chloe's addiction to dairy is an example.  Eating compliant dairy doesn't necessarily make her feel bad, but by the second or third day, she is hooked in, feeling worse and worse as she eats more and more of it.



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Victoria - I think it was the caffeine and sugar combo for me. I used to joke that I didn't drink diet or caffeine-free drinks because without caffeine and sugar, what was the use of drinking cola? I would get terrible withdrawal headaches without caffeine by 9:00 in the morning, and really weak from low blood sugar. I tried tea to weaken the addiction, but my mouth would break out in canker sores. I love chocolate, but it is not an addiction.  I can do without it and do. So I went cold turkey. Maybe it was all the stuff they pumped into me in the hospital, but the headaches didn't come back. Except for the brief episode with the milk, cheese, and ice cream, I have been Swami compliant. And I only drink water, sometimes with a little lemon.
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This may sound strange, but what Chloe described with dairy, I have with potatoes.
Anything with potatoes in it will make me crazy for more things with potatoes in them, and before I'm really aware of it, I'm irritable and shoveling fries or baked potatoes or potatoe chips in my mouth like there's no tomorrow.

I was raised on a steady diet of potatoes with every evening meal, french fries on any festive occasion, and potatoe chips as a treat.
But it was my husband who pointed out, a few years ago, that once I started eating potatoes, I just couldn't stop. He was right.

No great surprise that potatoes are an avoid for A's. And after three months completely potatoe-free, I knew I shouldn't ever go back.
But being human, and in the vicinity of potatoe-based foods too often   , I tried several times to "just eat a little".
But with potatoes, I can't. Never met anyone who had the same thing, but it's the one food that would count as an addiction for me.


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Victoria - I think it was the caffeine and sugar combo for me. I used to joke that I didn't drink diet or caffeine-free drinks because without caffeine and sugar, what was the use of drinking cola? I would get terrible withdrawal headaches without caffeine by 9:00 in the morning, and really weak from low blood sugar. I tried tea to weaken the addiction, but my mouth would break out in canker sores. I love chocolate, but it is not an addiction.  I can do without it and do. So I went cold turkey. Maybe it was all the stuff they pumped into me in the hospital, but the headaches didn't come back. Except for the brief episode with the milk, cheese, and ice cream, I have been Swami compliant. And I only drink water, sometimes with a little lemon.


I was this way with coffee.  Made with maple syrup or maple sugar and steamed with 1/2 and 1/2, I could have continued drinking it all day.  Once I quit drinking milk, coffee lost all its' appeal!  

Water and lemon is a great choice for you.    How do you do with green tea?  Is that when you got canker sores or was it black tea?  



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This may sound strange, but what Chloe described with dairy, I have with potatoes.
Anything with potatoes in it will make me crazy for more things with potatoes in them, and before I'm really aware of it, I'm irritable and shoveling fries or baked potatoes or potatoe chips in my mouth like there's no tomorrow.

I was raised on a steady diet of potatoes with every evening meal, french fries on any festive occasion, and potatoe chips as a treat.
But it was my husband who pointed out, a few years ago, that once I started eating potatoes, I just couldn't stop. He was right.

No great surprise that potatoes are an avoid for A's. And after three months completely potatoe-free, I knew I shouldn't ever go back.
But being human, and in the vicinity of potatoe-based foods too often   , I tried several times to "just eat a little".
But with potatoes, I can't. Never met anyone who had the same thing, but it's the one food that would count as an addiction for me.


Another of our dear members - Peppermint Twist - had this relationship with potato chips.  



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Both green tea and black tea gave me canker sores. So do tomatoes (which I gave up). I never liked coffee. My heart doctor said no more caffeine because of my already rapid heartbeat. I don't take meds.
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2degreespisces -- how are potatoes rated for you?  They would generally be a toxin for type A...although
on my professional SWAMI, I have them listed as a beneficial....I can take or leave potatoes.  I can take
or leave most foods.  What is particularly curious to me is that dairy is one of the hallmark beneficial
foods for a Teacher....and given my addictive and other extreme reactions to eating any, I think something about my subtype of A might be the missing link.  I think it's one thing to react negatively
from a toxin, but to an entire food group of diamonds?   That's what I don't quite understand.

Something I wanted to add about my experience when I'm detoxing from dairy.  Total and complete physical exhaustion.  I can barely breathe I'm so tired coming off cheese. Happened to me this week.
Two days in a row eating a Greek salad....with feta cheese....fine first day eating it...By morning of
second day, I was thinking about cheese.....ate it again because I had leftovers...By end of second
day irritable....hands and feet felt puffy...stuffy head....third day decided to eat no more dairy but
still living with residual effects of past two days of eating it.......and for two days after I quit the
dairy, I walked around like an exhausted zombie, craving cheese like a heroin addict...(I've never
tried heroin but I can imagine what addiction this strong feels like)  Today I'm fine...Four days off dairy and it's out of my system.  I peed my brains out yesterday...got rid of all the excess fluid
retention....I cannot take anymore of these wild cheese rides.....It's ridiculous!  


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Quoted from D.L.
Both green tea and black tea gave me canker sores. So do tomatoes (which I gave up). I never liked coffee. My heart doctor said no more caffeine because of my already rapid heartbeat. I don't take meds.


Did you feel you were you addicted to tea or tomatoes?

And how were they rated for you?

Yes, Victoria, I do remember PT and her potato chip addiction...I don't know how she ever gave them
up and lost all that weight. What courage and perseverance... It takes a very strong will to get over a food addiction....to want something  so badly and yet deny yourself that indulgence.  Yet, I'm quite sure potatoes were a toxin for PT.


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This is about Casomorphins and Gliadomorphins related to food addiction...the morphine like substances found in wheat and dairy.

http://www.sparkpeople.com/mypage_public_journal_individual.asp?blog_id=4065936


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As far as potato chips go, "an open bag is an empty bag". I'm not sure I would call it an "addiction", but I can easily eat an entire bag. I can just as easily avoid them if I don't get started. Potatoes have serotonin in them and they can make you feel good. These people recommend them, but if I ate a potato every night I'd weigh 300lbs before I knew what hit me! They are also recommending eating the skin which is a pretty bad idea if you have any sensitivity to potatoes, the toxins are concentrated in the skin.

Funny you have potatoes as a superfood Chloe, I have them as a complete avoid.


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P.S. Chloe, this is interesting from your link
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Casomorphins are formed during our attempt to digest casein, the glycoprotein that makes up 80-86% of the protein content of cow's milk (versus 0-2% of goat's milk)
Maybe this is why I don't have so many problems, most of my dairy is either goat or sheep.


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Chloe - no I wasn't addicted to tea or tomatoes. In fact, I don't much care for any foods except the ones I can't have, with eggs, gluten, and dairy. My favorite foods were desserts, pizza, colas, and chocolate. You know, the really healthy stuff, hehe.
Tomatoes and black tea are avoids on my Swami. Green tea is a beneficial.  
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P.S. Chloe, this is interesting from your link  Maybe this is why I don't have so many problems, most of my dairy is either goat or sheep.


GR, you've complained of headaches before...not saying there's a dairy component but given you
tolerate sheep's and goat dairy without problems, it might be in your best interest to make a note how you feel after eating any cow's milk products...even a day or two later, when you might be going through withdrawal and detox (although not obvious to you as it is for me)...and perhaps a headache like my sense of exhaustion is the result.  Not saying I know this to be fact...but just a theory that seems plausible when headaches re-occur in some people without obvious cause. This happens to my DH after popcorn.  He loves it, he can eat a ton of it in the movies.....a day or two later, major headache.  Irritable as well.

I wonder if food addictions have a detox component... more extreme for some than for others.


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Nope, I've already tried that Chloe my headaches are clearly hormonal, it doesn't matter what I do or don't eat. In fact it's one of the first things I tried since my mother's headaches seem to have been related to dairy, but she is an O.  Thanks though.


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That is an interesting article, Chloe.

"Both casomorphins and gliadomorphins are morphine-like opiods that have been likened to drugs like LSD. They can be very sedating and addictive and help to explain why 75% of the calories in the standard American diet (S.A.D.) come from wheat and dairy alone. Food addiction is a very real thing and these opiods play a huge role."

A few years ago when I was still battling IBS, a very insightful M.D. (my primary care doctor) told me to try leaving off cow milk and all gluten and just see if it helped.  It immediately helped and I've stayed off gluten ever since.  I continue to eat ghee with no problems.  The very rare times I've eaten a little bit of a diamond cheese made from cow milk, my body has not felt well at all.  It's not for me.



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When I pig out on my addictions (anything sweet) I don't think it has anything to do with the food itself converting into a morphine-like substance.  I think it's the sweetness itself that's triggering brain chemistry.  And I can continue eating birthday cake (especially the frosting) until I feel pain from my stomach being grossly distended.  Even then I might go for one more piece.

In "Zoobiquity" the author describes how animals (including humans) have reward centers in our heads to drive us to hunt, gather, procreate.  So even behaviors can be addictive.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I can eat a whole loaf of sourdough bread in one sitting. I rarely buy it anymore. I don't love all bread this much, just sourdough bread. When I eat sugar, I crave sourdough bread. When I eat sourdough bread, I crave more.


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I can eat a whole loaf of sourdough bread in one sitting. I rarely buy it anymore. I don't love all bread this much, just sourdough bread. When I eat sugar, I crave sourdough bread. When I eat sourdough bread, I crave more.


The old "bulimic brain" pathways are much similar, to the point of some doctors suggesting that bulimia sufferers brains are "wired" (pathed?) differently than other folk. For example - the opioids discussed re: wheat and dairy, PLUS, my suspicion that most chronic bulimics are Nonnies, would explain the "repeat eat" action you are describing even when painfully full - until the brain hits the level of suggesting the bulimic purge or vomit to feel "even more better" (body covering up for the guilty binge it has undergone.)

OR - Chloe,perhaps the ghrelin level in your gut shoots up to an abnormal level when you eat that sourdough! Ghrelin is the "non-satiety" factor enzyme that sends signals to the brain to eat MORE.


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I was going to start a thread today about "why do avoids make us want to eat more?" but this is a great thread too........

Rhetorically answering my own question: "avoids" probably trigger "other" types of opioids according to your BT or GT......


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GHRELINS and OPIOIDS and INFLAMMATORIES -- oh my! *Wizard of Oz tune.......*


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I think it's the sweetness itself that's triggering brain chemistry.
If you mean toward craving, luckily this is not accurate.

Sweetness alone doesn't do it. Personal experience of compliance let you realize this.

True that it is not that easy to get there, yet as Lola's words go, "The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!".





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