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tolondontoparis
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if everything probiotic like for Os is an avoid. And I dont want to get the online whateverrrr

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A number of Os do cultured/fermented vegies.  


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A number of Os do fermented vegies.  
The word 'ferment' doesn't appear in my SWAMI. May I consider fermented veggies neutral? Or are they recommended only for nonnies?



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The word 'ferment' doesn't appear in my SWAMI. May I consider fermented veggies neutral? Or are they recommended only for nonnies?



I use the rating of the uncultured vegetable product.  So if a vegetable is an avoid, I still consider it an avoid after culturing it.

Likewise if something is beneficial before fermenting, I do not consider it to drop to neutral just because it was feremented.

Both secretors and nonsecretors benefit from eating cultured vegetable products.


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fermented veggies dont really taste the best to be honest, and aren't that accesible to a college student :/
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The college students who live under me always have some vegetables fermenting.

Since the process is fairly simple you should even be able to do it in a dorm room, but I might stop if my roommate flaked out about it.


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Raw sauerkraut, compliant 'raw' aged cheese, red wine (moderate), umeboshi (the acidity of the pickled plum has a paradoxical alkalinizing effect on the body), eat salad herbs directly from my own garden that are only briefly water rinsed (to help include natural soil organisms in my diet), as well as eat chicory root and Jerusalem artichoke for the inherent inulin in both (inulin is a prebiotic, in that it helps nourish probiotic bacteria in one's body) ... and I don't really concern myself with it, otherwise, because our type seems to thrive without mega-doses of probiotics as long as we're eating foods that don't generate inflammation and such.



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My school's dining hall serves a few cultured products (not many) and might serve more if students asked for them.


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Quoted from tolondontoparis
fermented veggies dont really taste the best to be honest, and aren't that accesible to a college student :/


You can flavor them however you like, and they're super easy to prepare.  I'm a lazy cook   If it takes more than a couple minutes, I don't want to do it, but I almost always have cultured veggies on hand.


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Both secretors and nonsecretors benefit from eating cultured vegetable products.
Thanks! I tried only once with beetroots and was reluctant because of the extra saltiness. I'd like to read again the threads on fermenting veggies and retry.



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fermented veggies dont really taste the best to be honest, and aren't that accesible to a college student :/

Even if the only fermented vegetable you use is sauerkraut, you should be able to find a healthy brand in London. I'm sure the Whole Foods Market in Kensington has something. I was visiting a friend in East Croydon before Whole Foods opened, and I was even able to find some at a little shop in Croydon. Again, it doesn't have to be mass quantities. Traditionally, fermented foods were only served along side meals, primarily meats (but also grains), as an accompaniment. A little can go a long way. You know, bacteria are invisible to the naked eye, so there're a lot of them there. You just can't see them.

P.S. And, you're right, they're not chips, crisps or beer ... but, given time, your taste buds will adjust and, even, grow to like them.



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All the way through college, my daughter cultured her own veggies.



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Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it so much if you don't have any digestive problems and you're eating healthy.
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I take Dr. D's Polyflora for probiotics.
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I take Dr. D's Polyflora for probiotics.
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That's what I do also.  Just one every evening before bed.  



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I wish kefir didn't have hormones and was compliant for Os, cause it's so delicious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But cooconut milk kefir is bad, and so is normal kefir.
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Quoted from Conor
Raw sauerkraut, compliant 'raw' aged cheese, red wine (moderate), umeboshi (the acidity of the pickled plum has a paradoxical alkalinizing effect on the body), eat salad herbs directly from my own garden that are only briefly water rinsed (to help include natural soil organisms in my diet), as well as eat chicory root and Jerusalem artichoke for the inherent inulin in both (inulin is a prebiotic, in that it helps nourish probiotic bacteria in one's body) ... and I don't really concern myself with it, otherwise, because our type seems to thrive without mega-doses of probiotics as long as we're eating foods that don't generate inflammation and such.


Red wine for an 18yo isn't so accessable in NY where the drinking age is 21.

tolondontoparis- are you living in a dorm room and eating cafeteria food, or do you have your own kitchen facilities?

If you're eating cafeteria foods and living in a place without cooking space, then just do the best you can. You can't be fully compliant in that situation, so make the best choices you can  and don't sweat the small stuff.  If you can't  find any compliant fermetned foods easily, you have two choices. You can choose to skip probiotic foods or eat fermented foods that are not 100% compliant, depending on how badly you react to the specific avoids and how much you feel the need for probiotics.

OTOH, if you do have space to prepare foods, then you should learn how to ferment vegetables. There's a bit of a learning curve, but it's fairly easy to do once you get the hang of it. If you can't figure it out from online instructions, perhaps we can find a way to get together in person this summer, since I'm about a 40 minute drive from Stonybrook.


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You can make milk kefir with soy milk or almond milk.

My parents are semi-compliant so they are drinking my milk kefir. The probiotics seem to help my hunter dad's gut issues (even if dairy is an avoid for him).

I started eating tons of kimchee about 1-2 years ago. Although I am of Korean descent, my tolerance for spicy foods, including kimchee, was nil. After realizing my need for probiotics due to systemic candida issues, I forced myself to eat kimchee and other fermented/cultured foods. I LOVED fermented celery (similar crunch to pickles) and sauerkraut.

Hmmmm - I should go and make some sauerkraut this weekend!

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I wish kefir didn't have hormones and was compliant for Os, cause it's so delicious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But cooconut milk kefir is bad, and so is normal kefir.




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Red wine for an 18yo isn't so accessable in NY where the drinking age is 21.

tolondontoparis- are you living in a dorm room and eating cafeteria food, or do you have your own kitchen facilities?

If you're eating cafeteria foods and living in a place without cooking space, then just do the best you can. You can't be fully compliant in that situation, so make the best choices you can  and don't sweat the small stuff.  If you can't  find any compliant fermetned foods easily, you have two choices. You can choose to skip probiotic foods or eat fermented foods that are not 100% compliant, depending on how badly you react to the specific avoids and how much you feel the need for probiotics.

OTOH, if you do have space to prepare foods, then you should learn how to ferment vegetables. There's a bit of a learning curve, but it's fairly easy to do once you get the hang of it. If you can't figure it out from online instructions, perhaps we can find a way to get together in person this summer, since I'm about a 40 minute drive from Stonybrook.


Oh my gosh yes! We should get together some-time! You're so nice! I am really trying to get my digestion tip top before college, cause that is when things can get better or worse!

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Red wine for an 18yo isn't so accessable in NY where the drinking age is 21.

When I wrote that, I thought she was in London ... where 18-year-olds can drink wine. Too, I was following the thread's subject, i.e., 'how you get your probiotics?' And, red wine is simply one of the ones I include probiotics in my diet.



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I LOVED fermented celery (similar crunch to pickles) ...

Hi passionprincess, how do you make your fermented celery, if you don't mind sharing? (: All pickles, as are raw cukes, are a no-go for me ... so the celery really sounds interesting.



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I think cultured vegetables is really a better description than fermented, because you aren't aiming for alcohol as the end-result.



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I think cultured vegetables is really a better description than fermented, because you aren't aiming for alcohol as the end-result.

Sorry, I was referring to its basic biochemical function, i.e., a metabolic process whereby electrons released from nutrients are ultimately transferred to molecules obtained from the breakdown of those same nutrients. However, in order to avoid confusion with foodstuffs, you're probably correct ... in that one cultures food and one, typically, ferments grains, grapes, hops, ginger or whatnot to obtain the nectar of the gods (my, how the mighty have fallen).



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A good book to get on fermenting foods is called "Wild Fermentation" by Sandor Katz.  It has been recommended many times before on this site, i just checked it out at the local library though i haven't had much of a chance to look at the recipes yet!.  


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My digestion has been perfect for the last 3 years and I know it is mostly from taking Dr. D's polyflora for type A, once a day without fail!
I also eat lots of fresh fuits and vegetables, mostly organic, but none are fermented.
If I eat too much gluten I will get a stomach ache (then take a deflect) but my digestion is always great.


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