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D.L.
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I got my National Geographic Haplogroup results today from my mom's side. They have me as K1a, but do not go as far as the 23 and Me Haplogroup result that has me as K1a2a. Both tests have traced me from the beginning of recordable genetics to northern Europe, but no farther. I already knew which countries both my mom's and dad's immediate ancesters came from, but there is a gap that I can't fill in, because neither test shows which specific countries.
      I got neat info, including maps, from both Nat Geo and 23 and Me, which trace migration from what they know. There is also a list on both results that show where the genetics change. I don't understand that completely. 23 and Me gives more info, including general health %  info, but is a lot more expensive. It changed financial policy recently. It also shows your possible cousins of other members, based on certain things in your DNA. Lots of folks are hunting their relatives, and you can connect with them on 23 and Me if you want to.
     I had been considering testing my dad, but because of the expense and not finding out specific countries, I'm re-thinking. Straddling the fence, actually.
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I justamente was forced to cancel on *family tree* coz nothing has happened- not even after 7 weeks- would you mind dear D.L. to place the infos where you've made this test I'd like to go for too but here I got re-connected with a swiss firm who also works with *family tree* - ergo am I  at the same place...un-wanted...

thank you in advance for your kind help

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DL,
Thank you so much for sharing your information. Please give me your thoughts on my question.
My dad is almost 82 and suffers from Parkinsons disease. He is otherwise in great health. He has been ideal weight and exercised his whole life and his bloodwork and numbers are always great. I want to swab him for one of the tests.
My Mom is almost 81, a little overweight, has periodic angina(nerves/stress) but is otherwise healthy and looks very young. Her brother, my uncle, is 79 and doing well also.
I know I cannot get my Mom's Dad's background by swabbing her simply because she is female...but...I can use my uncle, her brother..correct? Since he is male and will carry both my maternal grandparents DNA info.
So, I am thinking of asking my uncle to swab for one test and my Dad for the other.
I am wondering which company I should do for which relative?
If 23 and me gives more details, maybe I should use them for both? Just how expensive were they compared to Nat Geo?
I really want to do this soon but only have so much I can spend right now.
Thanks for your help.


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DL,
May I ask which countries they told you about? Did there info agree with what you already knew from your family? Was your migration pattern anything like the one described for A blood by Dr. D in his ER4YT book? (Middle east over the Med sea into Europe)


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Amazone - In your web browser, type in National Geographic Haplogroup. When the list comes up, click on search National Geographic, Your Genetic Journey. It should give you all the info you need.  Also, in your web browser, type 23 and me. When the list comes up, look for Genetic Testing for Health, disease, and Ancestry; DNA test. Under that, click on How It Works. That should bring up the info.
Cajun - If I had to pick the one with the most info, I would go with 23 and me. It costs $299 now, with no monthly subscription fee anymore. Nat. Geo only costs $99.95 plus S&H. For Nat. Geo you swab inside your cheek. It takes up to 8 weeks to get your results and you MUST NOT lose your ID number that came with your kit, or you're out of luck because you enter it every time you log on. There's no other way to identify your DNA. 23 and me uses saliva to test your DNA. You set up an account on-line using your email address and a password. It does not take many days to get your results back on-line. And you can take a lot of neat surveys while you wait.
Since you are female, you might want to test YOU to get your info through your mom's side, but I don't know about your mom's brother. Maybe you could post that question on the testing website. 23 and me says "Mothers pass on their mitrchondrial DNA to her daughters and their daughter's daughters, and so on, and also to their sons, but the sons do not pass it on". My uncle and mom are both dead, so I tested me. Then test your dad to get his info. You can't get his through you but you can get hers. If it were me, I would test through 23 and me to get much more info than Nat. Geo, even though it costs more. I think it's a life-time membership now, with updates as they become available. Then, when you save up enough, test Dad with 23 and me. That's what I would do. I wish I could answer the uncle thing for you, but I think maybe you can get all the info you need about her side of the family by testing you. I'll see if I can find out anything more.
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They didn't give me specific countries. All of us started in Africa. There is a map and written info that shows the general migration patterns and where the people went when they left Africa. For me, on my mother's side, it is pretty specific for thousands of years, then they ended up in central and northern Europe. That's all 23 and me and Nat Geo told me. I'm a little disappointed because I was hoping to learn more specifics about the European countries. However,the migration paths and where the various DNA patterns changed showed me a lot. But I'm not sure if it is worth it to test my dad, because I don't know if I would find out anything more than what I already know by testing me.
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O.k,Cajun, now that I posted the question to 23 and me, I don't understand the two answers I received. After one long, detailed answer, I'm confused, but the poster said to tell you to go to the FAQ section in 23 and me and find your answer. Sorry I can't be of more help. I don't want to tell you wrong.I'm still trying to find out, though.
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Quoted from cajun

My dad is almost 82 and suffers from Parkinsons disease. He is otherwise in great health. He has been ideal weight and exercised his whole life and his bloodwork and numbers are always great. I want to swab him for one of the tests.

I am wondering which company I should do for which relative?


If dad has Parkinson's use this program:

https://www.23andme.com/pd/


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DL,
Thank you sooooooo very much! You have been a great help and given me alot of information.
C-sharp,
Thank you, I am thinking they would let me know my chances of inheriting Parkinsons.
There has been some new research and I know many factors are involved but they used to say it couldn't be inherited...we know differently now.   


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Cajun - I agree with C_sharp. I would use the 23 and me. You'll get a lot more info. Also, I think (but not 100% sure ... still waiting for the answer) that if you test you or your mom, you will ONLY get the FEMALE side of her ancestry. I think (but not yet positive) that you would have to test her brother to get the male side of her ancestry. Test your dad to get his ancestry. Every time I post the question, I get the female thing from different posters (or an answer so long I can't understand it.) Anyway, IF that's right, I'll never be able to get the male side of Mom's ancestry because both her brother and dad are dead. If someone knows more, I hope they correct me... soon.  My brain is starting to hurt hehe.
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Quoted from D.L.
Cajun - I agree with C_sharp. I would use the 23 and me. You'll get a lot more info. ... Test your dad to get his ancestry.


Also it's free for the Dad since he has Parkinson's.


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Cajun, 23 and me specifically tests for Alzheimers and Parkinsons.  You need to choose if you want to know your own chances of getting those diseases.


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cajun - I received another answer to my question that I asked posters on 23 and me. I was told that if I were able to trace my mom's father's line (since both he and his only son are dead) through grandpa's brothers or brother's sons or his father's father's sons, etc. I might be able to test one of them. (What a challenge. I don't even know about grandpa's people.) Anyway, that makes me think to get ALL the answers you want, you would have to test you or your mom to get her female line, your uncle to get your mom's male line, and your dad to get his line. I hope I understand this right. It's the best information I could currently get for you. Hope it helps.
The neat thing about 23 and me, is that I found out (through the female line only) what % I am at risk for certain health problems, what things I am at decreased risk for, how I would probably react to certain meds, and other things. Nat Geo doesn't offer that, so is a lot less expensive. I also know what paths my maternal ancestors took to get from ancient Africa to Europe. And I know what % Neandrathol (spelling?) I am, hehe.  
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If you want to know your own genetic risk factor on a disease, using 23 & Me--Test yourself not a relative.

For each SNP that it tests (I think there are roughly a million of these) it tell you what both copies of the SNP you inherited are. Does not really matter which side you inherited a particular SNP value from.

Does not matter what genes your relative has, what matters is what your genes are in conventional genetics.



On haplogroup:

Males find out both haplogroups from testing themselves




Females find out maternal haplogroup by testing themselves.
Females find out paternal haplogroup by testing father or a male blood relative of father (The father's: grandson, son, brother, father, grandfather, uncle, ...)



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C_sharp - thanks so much for your input. It's hard to explain to someone else when I'm new at this and don't understand everything.
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Thank you both so much.
Free is good...but yes, I know I need to test me to get Parkinsons results.
DL understood what I was asking...so that I can get my Mom's Father's line..which she will not pass on but her brother will...I need to test my uncle(her brother) as he should carry both their Fathers and mothers ancestries, right?
in other words...I want all info from my mom's side, not just her
mothers.
whew..it does hurt my brain..
So...I will go with 23 and me!
Thank you all for your comments and good information.


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Just to clarify, I am not being nit picky.. Only curious...
I know quite a bit of detailed ancestry on my Dad's side going back to the 15th century in the Pyrenees but not enough on my mom's side. I know my grandmere ( mom's mother) was French from both of her mother's parents but only know verbal stories of her father's Jewish/English side. I have a record of Scottish/Irish ancestry to a castle/Lord in 12th century Scotland and a village in Ireland on my mom's dad's mom's side but only have speculation of his dad being either Italian or Greek?!? My grandmere knew he spoke a different language but we cannot find out what?!?
I am just hoping I will be able to get more answers from 23 and me.


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Cajun - Just be aware that although 23 and me can tell you a lot, it won't tell you everything you might want to know. Like I previously said, there is a big gap in the middle for me between the research Mom did tracing her ancestors backwards, and what 23 and me did tracing my female Haplogroup from ancient Africa forward to northern Europe. If it weren't for Mom's research, I wouldn't know that her ancestors came from Spain, England, Germany, Holland, and Ireland, because 23 and me was not that specific for me. It only said northern Europe. However, from what some others posted, they found out more specifics that they didn't know. I don't want you to be disappointed if you don't find out everything you want to know. However, the health risk and other stuff they glean from YOUR DNA is terrific, and you may be able to also connect with other distant relatives you didn't know who are members, and with other members who have the same health problems or elevated risks, etc. I'm glad I did it, even though I guess my expectations were really too high on the specific ancestor thing. But 23 and me adds to their information as they find out more. That's why originally there was a monthly charge for a year's subscription, but now they just include it in the price you pay upfront, instead. I would do it again.
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btw.. I've found out some more european firms and those of USA but realy it's also a question of making money of our curieusity and the less responses the're going to give...the more curieuse we will get and the more they might get out of us.... this is called business


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Here is part of the official answer I got from the 23 and me team: "... mitochondrial DNA, which is what we use to trace your maternal haplogroup, is only inherited through the mother - but it is passed to both male and female children. ... If your brother were to provide a sample, you would learn your maternal haplogroup as well as your paternal haplogroup. However, if your father or father's brother were to provide a sample, you would learn your paternal haplogroup, but not your maternal haplogroup since he does not share your mother. Your maternal haplogroup only traces females, and your paternal haplogroup only traces males." So there you have it. Hope that helps. If I do go any farther, it will take awhile to save up the money. I just ordered another IgG4 blood testing kit for residual food allergies so I can compare it with the one I took last year. ($130). Probably will be the last one I do for a long, long time, since I'm doing Swami.
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Again, thanks DL! You have provided me with an abundance of info so I can make a decision and I so appreciate that!


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One other neat thing about 23 and me: If you click on "Disease risks", or "Traits", then click on "community", you can ask questions about your topic and when someone answers, it is sent to your email as well as being posted under your question on that page. You can also answer questions from others. And then there are also other community forums, such as one where posters ask if there are others out there with the same haplogroup. Pretty neat, huh? You could spend all day reading posts, if you wanted to, and new ones are added every day ... like here. I haven't had time to read everything. There are also some charts, maps, information pages, etc. Every time I click on a link with 23 and me, I find something else. Thought you'd like to know.
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I am glad to know that, DL! Sounds very cool. I am looking forward to getting this process started.


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