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marjorie
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Well, I am admitting my strength is not COOKING. Omg- I am not into cooking and I need to find a convenient way to eat BTD and feel not weighed down with cooking.

I have no interest in adding spices or herbs ( I prefer everything plain or maybe a little ghee)

George Foreman may have to come back into my life.... is this really a bad tool? I got rid of the microwave and now I have my skillet, but even that is not doing it for me when I want to grill my chicken

I am accepting that I only like vegetables and meat, but has anyone ever tried variety and then they are let down? It appears everytime I try something new or make a recipe, I am never satisfied.

I was making Kale chips in the oven today, well, I took out the glass dish and put it on the counter ( cold) and BAM_____explosion everywhere.

Keep in mind, my mother did not cook and we I never was taught, but I am wondering why I feel this force to have to be in the kitchen. Seriously, my next guy better be ok with this....
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Then you're forced to eat "it comes in a bag, and it comes in a can."

Is that what you want?

I never worked with any recepies from here.

Food is food.


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Marjorie, you simply need more practice! When I was not much more than a baby I was sitting on the counter while my mother cooked and sneaking all the butter I could get my hands on! And I was watching everything she did! But I really liked butter!! I don't remember my mother spending a whole lot of time specifically teaching us to cook. We simply learned from watching her.

Learning to use spices will help you get over the longing for seared, blackened (unhealthy) foods! I always did think that cooking beef was the easiest thing under the sun to help make a delicious dish. I assume you can have beef. My grocery has the most beautiful, organic beef I have ever seen! I would have been piling it into my cart if I could eat it!! Half a plate of good veggies and a serving of beef - yummy!!

I think the more you get into cooking, the better you will enjoy your food.


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I'm pretty sure that you'll use a hot pad under the glass baking dish from now on...

One other thing to keep in mind when using a glass dish is that you make sure the bottom is covered with liquid if the food may drip on the dish while in the oven...  One drip of water in the hot dish is enough to shatter the dish in the oven.

Each person has different desire for flavors, mixed foods in dishes, etc.  If you prefer to eat basic meat and vegetables, there is nothing wrong with that.  Spices add variety to eating, but not everyone desires variety.


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Quoted from Seraffa
Then you're forced to eat "it comes in a bag, and it comes in a can."

Is that what you want?

I never worked with any recepies from here.

Food is food.


Thank you for the reminder. No, I would never go that route. just need to make it simple as possible.
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Marjorie, you simply need more practice! When I was not much more than a baby I was sitting on the counter while my mother cooked and sneaking all the butter I could get my hands on! And I was watching everything she did! But I really liked butter!! I don't remember my mother spending a whole lot of time specifically teaching us to cook. We simply learned from watching her.

Learning to use spices will help you get over the longing for seared, blackened (unhealthy) foods! I always did think that cooking beef was the easiest thing under the sun to help make a delicious dish. I assume you can have beef. My grocery has the most beautiful, organic beef I have ever seen! I would have been piling it into my cart if I could eat it!! Half a plate of good veggies and a serving of beef - yummy!!

I think the more you get into cooking, the better you will enjoy your food.



For sure I can have beef and that is all I am craving lately!
Here is the dilemma, my mother did not cook and we owned a restaurant/bar in NY so I hardly ever had a home cooked meal. Probably what made me turn to anorexia in a way

I am not going to give up, and maybe u are correct, more spices might help me to not want to blacken my food.

Thanks for listening.
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I'm pretty sure that you'll use a hot pad under the glass baking dish from now on...

One other thing to keep in mind when using a glass dish is that you make sure the bottom is covered with liquid if the food may drip on the dish while in the oven...  One drip of water in the hot dish is enough to shatter the dish in the oven.

Each person has different desire for flavors, mixed foods in dishes, etc.  If you prefer to eat basic meat and vegetables, there is nothing wrong with that.  Spices add variety to eating, but not everyone desires variety.


Thanks. See, I do not even own a hot pad nor would I even think of this. I am almost embarrassed that I have not a clue... .

I can always eat the salad with some protein and stop trying new things,.... but that seems like a sad life with no variety.
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There are a whole lot of recipes in the recipe base, some simple and some not so. Tomorrow I'm going to crank up my charcoal grill. Grilled eggplant ( slice 1/2 inch thick, brush in olive oil and sprinkle with salt and cayenne pepper then grill a fork can pierce it). Grilled top round grassfed sirloin(season with spices and grill till medium rare). Grilled fresh pineapple(peel and slice into spears and sprinkle with cinnamon and sugar, and grill till softened a bit).
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If you have no desire to cook & enjoy meat & veg the most...keep it simple I say?! We just have most stuff quite plain, now we can really taste food...
I am just as much in ecstacy with a good quality plain steak & some great butter & a tasty salad (w compliant mayo) as with a spiced sauced meal - in fact more so !!!
My George is still my faithful companion but I also use a slow cooker, a ceramic pan &/or one of those fan forced bowl oven things with the motor on top... Cooks meat beautifully
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George has a nasty habit of draining most of the fat off of your meat (as it was designed to do).  I want my fat!
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Oh I have a tip for that - I just tilt the front legs up & the fat stays around the meat... Also adding butter to the meat when serving compensates for any slight run off Pumpkin & sweet potatoes cook nicely alongside the meat, soaking up the juices & fat too..
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I do not even own a hot pad nor would I even think of this.

A towel folded several times will function quite well as a hot pad, although it won't allow air to pass under the dish to cool it as quickly...


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Quoted from marjorie
I have no interest in adding spices or herbs ( I prefer everything plain or maybe a little ghee) .... George Foreman may have to come back into my life.... is this really a bad tool?

Hi marjorie, I have a George Foreman grill, too, and really find it to be useful for those times that I just want to quickly grill a single portion of meat. Plus, often I'll do as Possum mentioned, add a teaspoon or so of raw butter or ghee on top of the cooked meat and let it melt (especially good on fish with some lemon).

As for spices, I used to think I couldn't be bothered to use them ... until I started looking into some of the anti-oxidant and other pretty amazing health-boosting properties of (some of) them. Too, once I was a little more used to cooking with spices, I realized, used judiciously, the right ones really do a nice job of complementing various meats and vegetables. Of course, the lady at Williams Sonoma wanted to sell me the entire huge rack of individual spices when I first decided to start experimenting with them (which would've just ended up being a nice kitchen decoration then). However, I narrowed my first set of spices down to only four pre-mixed blends: (1) Jane's Krazy Mixed-Up Salt; (2) Frontier Organic Adobo Seasoning; (3) Simply Organic Grilling Seasons Chicken Seasoning; and, (4) Simply Organic Grilling Seasons Steak Seasoning. I found that one of these four seasonings would enhance the flavor profile of any egg, meat and/or vegetable that I cook/grill. I also use them as a dry rub on some meats/vegetables, and let whatever marinate all day in the rub and then it's straight to the grill.

If ghee is a compliant fat for you, a really easy way to add some spice flavors to stir-fried or steam/tossed vegetables is with spiced ghee, e.g.:

(The brand of ghee mentioned in the article can purchased from Amazon.com.)

Good luck with your continued kitchen adventures. It gets easier and, after a while, some days will even have glimpses of what Rombauer called the 'joy of cooking.'

By the way, congratulations on getting rid of your microwave oven.



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One way to get some perspective on practices and tools for the kitchen is to watch a cooking show on TV.  While many of the dishes are not practical for use on our individualized diets, you can watch the methods and tools used and pick up some terminology.

When I want ideas about what foods go together, I look at many recipes including that food to see what foods and spices they have paired.


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If you don't even own a hot pad, you can use a towel on the stove as a hot pad. Or an old t-shirt or whatever else you have on hand. Things don't need to be complicated.

If you're happy eating salad with cooked meat for every meal, and you don't enjoy cooking, then why force yourself to try new recipes all the time? The point is to make this way of eating livable for you. Many peole have fun in the kitchen and enjoy experimenting with new recipes. It's OK if you're not one of them.

If you want to play around with seasonings, you can experiment with marinades and/or salad dressings. See if you can find a store that sells spices in bulk. Why purchase a huge package of a spice you may not like if you can by a teaspoonful to try? You can buy more if you like it.

Are you afraid that you'll get bored with your food and get tempted to eat off-plan if you're not creative now? Maybe try one new recipe a week, and eat "tried and true" favorites the rest of the time. Over time, you'll establish some new recipes/flavor combinations you enjoy, without feeling overwhelemed with kitchen work in the meantime.


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Chopped fresh rosemary in a lamb or beef burger reduces the cancer risk for grilled burgers. Of course I have a giant bush outside so I don't have to buy expensive herbs. A little herb garden is a usefull hobby that can change your use of spices.
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A pot holder doubles as a hot pad. Keep it away from a flame..It can catch on fire.

I learned a lot from watching cooking shows on TV.

Like for example...when you don't use non stick pans, food will often stick....so you first want to
heat up the pan without anything in it.  When it's heated (we're talking about the stove top here).
you can add some oil or other fat and then put in your food...meat, poultry, fish, whatever. Even
vegetables.  Now, you don't want to flip a burger or a piece of chicken over until it naturally
wants to release itself from the pan.....otherwise it's going to stick. So be patient, don't keep
flipping foods over or they lose all their juices... I learned that from watching The Food Network.

There are books you can buy that teach you about kitchen basics....even a library book might
be available if you check Amazon to see what people recommend.

And then of course, I have a lot of small kitchen appliances which make life easier...a small
rice/grain cooker which is as simple as pie to use...Measure grain, measure water, put into
container plug in unit, hit "start" and it stops automatically when grain is cooked.  Makes two portions usually and I'm not likely to walk away from a stove top and burn a pot....which I've done way too often.  Also a mini food processor that will chop veggies into fine pieces which
I can add to a turkey burger..or use it to mix my silken tofu with a can of pumpkin to make
a compliant pudding..(plus added sweetener)

Having the correct pot/tool for your ingredients is important...learned that also on Food Network...

I didn't grow up watching my mother cook. I sat on the porch playing with my art supplies while my younger sisters hung out in the kitchen.   They liked cooking and baking and I didn't.  I still really don't but in order to make compliant foods I've had to learn how to play with many ingredients and use spices I hadn't ever heard of before. i have a lot of friends who are great
cooks. I've always asked questions about food to them which has made me a much better
cook than I thought I could ever become.

I bake my kale chips on a cookie sheet, not in a glass pan.....so next time you're out
and can pick up a cookie sheet, you might want to own one if you already don't. It's also perfect
for making flax bread...which is pretty easy if you follow the recipe in the file on this site.

marjorie, what are you biggest obstacles?  Anything specific you'd like to cook/bake but
don't know the process? ....Yes, you probably DO need practice like Spring mentioned
but you also might have cooking/baking questions that many of us can help you answer.

Youtube videos have wonderful cooking information.  Sometimes watching people make something in the
kitchen is far easier than reading a bunch of cookbook instructions.


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There's a lot of basic nutritional information at this site and they also have cooking tutorials.  http://www.whfoods.com/cookdemo.php
I usually just simmer foods in a little water and add fats and seasoning on my plate.  I once loved browning things until I learned (on this forum) that is not a healthy way to cook.
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I once loved browning things until I learned (on this forum) that is not a healthy way to cook.


Not disagreeing with this statement.  I 'm just curious how cavemen who cooked over an open
fire ever helped to perpetuate the human race.  Their meat was not only brown, it was charred.  


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Not disagreeing with this statement.  I 'm just curious how cavemen who cooked over an open
fire ever helped to perpetuate the human race.  Their meat was not only brown, it was charred.  


They didn't have to live very long to have kids.

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They didn't have to live very long to have kids.



But their kids survived and obviously didn't die out as a blood group..  Hunters and Gatherers are Os.  And you guys outnumber the As.


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I appreciate the feedback and help in the kitchen.

Definitely interested how the caveman lived with charring and browning like Kibble mentioned.
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Definitely interested how the caveman lived with charring and browning like Kibble mentioned.

If they lived to 30, they could have had a good number of kids.  Of course, we think of lifespan in terms of 70 to 100 now, but it hasn't always been so...


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Cavemen also ate a lot of raw food, and they certainly weren't eating any pesticides or GMOs or have any exposure to xenotoxins in their environment.

Living long enough to pass on your genes means having children and living until they grow up. It does NOT automatically mean that you live to a ripe old age, being healthy and productive in your golden years. If you start having kids at 15, you can be a grandparent at 30 and completely finished raising all  your kids by 45. Your genes carry on even if you're "a village elder" tottering around with a cane at 50 and die of old age by 55. I don't think that's the kind of life any of us are aiming for.

I don't know for a fact that cavemen were living such short lifespans- I'm honestly not aware of enough evidence one way or the other. In all likelihood, some tribes lived long and others didn't, and it probably varied widely depending on geographic area, exactly WHEN in pre-history, etc.

I'm just pointing out, the argument "the cavemen did it" isn't a good reason for us to follow their example. They might have lived very short lives, or they might have lived long, healthy lives due to other factors (such as purity of environment) that we can't replicate.


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Longevity for even the healthiest caveman was likely determined by his predatory risk --
the chance that he'd be hunted and killed, and would not have lived long enough to reach  old age.

As for the survival of the fittest, any group of people would survive if their genetics and immune
systems were strong enough for them to be able to reproduce.

There's a lot to be said for the conditions we face in our present times.  Although unlikely to be
eaten by a lion, we are very likely to be weakened by mankind's technology. A wild animal in
caveman times, roasted on an open fire is a totally different entity from cooking meat that was
purchased in a supermarket. The AGEs that do cellular damage might actually be due to the
type of animal we presently call our "meat"..  Agribusiness has done a lot of damage to our food supply.

And perhaps charred wild animal flesh consumed by a caveman was not equal to charred cow meat grown on a diet of unnatural feed and pumped with chemicals and drugs.

What would you rather be?  A caveman eating 100% organic food being chased by a lion?  Or
having a safe roof over your head with a questionable piece of meat you dare not cook on an
open flame?

Ah, the luxury of having type A blood......No red meat to cook...  


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