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Since type A's have low stomach acid, it is a good thing to supplement HCI? I have been taking digestive enzymes for a while now that have HCI in them, but am wondering now if that is a good thing or not. I try to stay on the more alkaline side of the scale, but these supplement have me right about 6.5 to 7.0 (saliva and urine) throughout the day. If I don't take them, I seem to be more at 7.5 to 8.0 on average. I am kind of mixed up on enzymes and ph levels.
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Supplementing digestive enzymes is not a good idea because long-term use will induce the body to produce less of the enzymes itself.

Taking so-called digestive bitters (Grape bitters) on the tongue before meals will hugely support digestion though (in a natural way). Bitters stimulate the bitter receptors on the back of your tongue, which stimulate the vagus nerve, which on its turn stimulates the liver. You only need to use very little (i.e. half a dropper); the focus should be on tasting the bitterness, not on swallowing it.

Grape bitters help to cleanse the liver, so it is important to drink a lot of water (preferably away from meals) when using them. You may feel a little sick the first week, but note that's a good sign; it indicates toxins are being removed from your body.
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Supplementing digestive enzymes is not a good idea because long-term use will induce the body to produce less of the enzymes itself.


this is only true of animal-source enzymes.  if you're taking plant-based enzymes, you have nothing to worry about.  As for HCl, I would say only take it if you need it.  I produce very little stomach acid (the bottle of HCl says to take 1 capsul at each meal, but I started out needing 6!  I'm now down to 3 at each meal, but I need it and literally can't digest food without it.  if you can eat without it without having any negative side effects, then it's a judgement call on your part, but I wouldn't see a need for it.

are you sure your body pH is corresponding to the HCl rather than something else?  If you need HCl then taking it, I would think, would make you more alkaline.  If it is truly the hcl thatis lowering your pH then you probably don't need it.


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Like Brinyskysail I have very little stomach acid.  So I think some of us need to take these supplements.  But I do keep reading about bitters and while I haven't tried them yet myself they sound like a good idea also.

Brinyskysail,  I've tried experimenting with starting with a lot of HC1 and understand that over time your body should start producing acid.  You said you started with 6, how long did it take for you to notice you didn't need that many and could start reducing the amount?

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Brinyskysail,  I've tried experimenting with starting with a lot of HC1 and understand that over time your body should start producing acid.  You said you started with 6, how long did it take for you to notice you didn't need that many and could start reducing the amount?


I'm sure it's different for everyone.  Some people seem to start producing again rather quickly - for me it took 2 years before I could start reducing the amount I was taking.  It probably just depends on the extent of the damage and what else you're doing to help the situation.


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Teachers get HCL in their GenoType supplements, warriors do not.


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Teachers get HCL in their GenoType supplements, warriors do not.


Why is that?
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brinyskysail,
Thanks this is helpful, I wasn't very patient when I was doing the  HCL at the higher dose.  I will try again as my acupuncturist keeps tell me my HCL is very low.
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Why is that?


Teachers frequently have problems with bacterial overgrowth in the upper GI tract. HCL appears to be added to help deal with that.

It also help teachers break down proteins which they have a problem with.

DNP also says it acts as a donor of methyl groups, which are needed to maintain proper DNA fidelity in teachers.  (Also Page 234 of book)


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ND gave me  Gentian and Condurango in a little brown bottle- stimulates the bodies natural response to create more enzymes.

HCL I do not think is effective.



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this is only true of animal-source enzymes.


Sorry but this is simply not true.

Your body's glands are in this respect just like muscles. You have to flex them to keep them in shape. The long-term effect of enzyme supplementation will be atrophy of the glands that are ought to produce that substance. So don't use HCl.

The way to go is to provide the nutrition the body needs to produce the stomach acid and to stimulate the stomach to work on its own with substances like digestive bitters. Bitters also provide the extra benefits of increasing ezyme secretion and bile secretion for better digestion and absorption. You can further support your body's stomach acid production by supplementing with the 'building blocks' of stomach acid: TMG (Trimethylglycine), Zinc and B vitamins.
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Supplementing digestive enzymes is not a good idea because long-term use will induce the body to produce less of the enzymes itself.

Short term supplementation can be a real boost to the digestive capability to enable enough nutrient intake to start healing so the organs can produce the enzymes...  Sometimes the body does need some help to get back on track.  This will vary by individual, obviously...


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Yes you got a point there.

Still that would only apply to very few people (those producing close to no stomach acid at all), and even then 'short term' would be a few weeks max.

For almost everyone it is far better to supplement with grape bitters (and optionally TMG, Zinc and B vitamins).
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Teachers frequently have problems with bacterial overgrowth in the upper GI tract. HCL appears to be added to help deal with that.

It also help teachers break down proteins which they have a problem with.

DNP also says it acts as a donor of methyl groups, which are needed to maintain proper DNA fidelity in teachers.  (Also Page 234 of book)


Why is fructose bad for warriors if it doesn't raise blood sugar?
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Fructose is an avoid for teachers and neutral for book warriors.


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Fructose is an avoid for teachers and neutral for book warriors.


Honey and Blueberries good for Teachers, bad for warriors.
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Your body's glands are in this respect just like muscles. You have to flex them to keep them in shape. The long-term effect of enzyme supplementation will be atrophy of the glands that are ought to produce that substance. So don't use HCl.


HCl may not be the answer for everyone and may not always be the best option, but producing no stomach acid caused me to not be able to digest anything.  I was 5'4" and weighed 75 pounds.  I was in constant digestive system agony and did not stop losing weight (and start gaining) until I started HCl.  As I said, it may not be right for everyone, but I believe it literally saved my life.  At that height/weight ratio my body was shutting down, I was housebound for a while and basically bedridden.  I could have died without discovering HCl, which started turning me around very quickly.  As for the digestive enzymes, I've been taught otherwise, but I'm no expert so I won't agree or disagree with you.


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HCl may not be the answer for everyone and may not always be the best option, but producing no stomach acid caused me to not be able to digest anything.  


I had to take it for a while, too, when I had systemic Candida. Made all the difference.


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Are there any teachers out there who think they may have too much stomach acid?
I love to drink my tea first thing in the morning but need to put something solid in my stomach shortly after.


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I need to get this straight. Supplementing enzymes is bad or just the HCL? I've been taking enzymes for a while now and need to know if I'm destroying myself instead of healing.
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I need to get this straight. Supplementing enzymes is bad or just the HCL? I've been taking enzymes for a while now and need to know if I'm destroying myself instead of healing.

If you need them (enzymes and HCL), then continue to take them.  Or take them for several weeks, then take a week or two off...  I took enzymes in heavy doses for 4-6 months before the body took over and I could taper off...  Now I haven't needed any for probably a year...


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I need to get this straight. Supplementing enzymes is bad or just the HCL? I've been taking enzymes for a while now and need to know if I'm destroying myself instead of healing.



OK, this is where I'm talking about stress.  I'm irritated at Damon because I believe he is totally wrong.  And it's BAD ADVICE.  I used to take many digestive enzymes at meals.  Otherwise I could not digest my food.  I used Enzymedica. My Doctor prescribed them.  He is an MD that does things holistically.  I took them for over two years.  I don't have to take them anymore.  I did not get "addicted" to them. I haven't had any for over 5 months now and I'm digesting food very well.  But I could tell at the time, if I didn't take them, I'd feel awful after eating because my food would just sit like a rock.  

If they feel like they are helping, go ahead and take them.  As far as the HCL in them goes, I don't think it's a bad thing if it seems to help.  You could always try another brand that doesn't have the HCL in it to see if it makes a difference.  Enzymedica makes a very good digestive enzyme and I know other people besides me have used them.  Vitamin Shoppe carries them.  

Now, I have to admit, I'm not a doctor and for all I know Damon is correct.  But my personal experience tells me something different.  So, again, it's my response to his post that causes stress.  Not his post.     Furthermore, I have zero experience with the grape bitters he suggests.  Maybe they are really good.  I don't know.  I just know I'm not addicted to digestive enzymes, even though I took large amounts of them for a lot longer than two weeks.  I took multiple at every meal at times.  


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OK, this is where I'm talking about stress.  I'm irritated at Damon because I believe he is totally wrong.  And it's BAD ADVICE.  I used to take many digestive enzymes at meals.  Otherwise I could not digest my food.  I used Enzymedica. My Doctor prescribed them.  He is an MD that does things holistically.  I took them for over two years.  I don't have to take them anymore.  I did not get "addicted" to them. I haven't had any for over 5 months now and I'm digesting food very well.  But I could tell at the time, if I didn't take them, I'd feel awful after eating because my food would just sit like a rock.  

If they feel like they are helping, go ahead and take them.  As far as the HCL in them goes, I don't think it's a bad thing if it seems to help.  You could always try another brand that doesn't have the HCL in it to see if it makes a difference.  Enzymedica makes a very good digestive enzyme and I know other people besides me have used them.  Vitamin Shoppe carries them.  

Now, I have to admit, I'm not a doctor and for all I know Damon is correct.  But my personal experience tells me something different.  So, again, it's my response to his post that causes stress.  Not his post.     Furthermore, I have zero experience with the grape bitters he suggests.  Maybe they are really good.  I don't know.  I just know I'm not addicted to digestive enzymes, even though I took large amounts of them for a lot longer than two weeks.  I took multiple at every meal at times.  


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