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ruthiegirl
Monday, May 21, 2012, 4:55pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Ruthie and others: I just don't see any 100% cooking choc in the stores here. Maybe not available in UK?  


I've never gone shopping in the UK, but I do know that in USA stores it's with the baking supplies, next to the cocoa powder, spices, sugar, flour, etc. If you're looking on the candy aisle with the other chocolate bars, you won't find it.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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I didn't crave sweets for most of my life.
I snacked on saltier stuff.

In my late 40s I started sweetening tea -- then coffee.
I remarked about it to an older friend as we were having a cuppa together (he took plenty of sugar), and he said it's common to want to "sweeten the deal" as one gets older.

Anyone heard of that?


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I feel bad about sweets also, have had a sweet tooth my whole life.  I stick to dates & every other weekend have a gluten free chocolate mousse treat.  Red wine, chocolate & dry cheese like parmesan can also be a good dessert for Os.


I just typed my Ode to sweets and a dinner menue planned for O kids.. and then I wiped it all out in some error I keep making.. I might retype some of it.. but it is really painfull- I had so much fun// reliving my life with sweets..  no sorrow for me.. not today, even as I am eating very carefullly.  


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Ok sugar is not the bad thing it is made out to be,... Here is another stab at Ode to sweets..

I ate sweets all my life and especially when I was young.. and I never gained any weight.. until hormones or America sugar turned my life around..  and I started to gain, but I am certain it was more about STRESS than anything else.

for me the dreams of eating sweets will never be less than beautiful.  The pastries the fruit and all the other good things.. the camaraderie's the friendship, the being pampered, the being supported .. sugar was never on issue in my family.  we also worked and we moved freely and we balanced it with other foods and the gorgeous foods where always in proper portions.. IT IS NOT the foods and it is not the sugars, jams or chocolates.  

In the current life and time.. It is the monkeyed around with foods.. the packaged foods and the pressure to buy per- packaged foods.  I am lucky, I stopped following that herd decades ago, and then I found BTD and that settled it for me - guilt free indulgence.

Over the years my diabetes label gave me more to think about, more to learn and coming to term with.  HAD I not known that from Dr D's writings I would be sunk!   Genetics is the explanation.  Genetics about cancer was one consideration on moms side, I never knew about the diabetes gene until papa was older..  Dr D put life in perspective.  

YET, to drop weight AND not pick it up again, it seems that my body allows me to drop 20 pounds and sneaks 10 back on.. but I don't go all the way.  Even with BTD at the beginning I lost effortless even though I ate 2000 calories more than I do now..  Then I ate way more ate more meat, nuts and all kinds of foods but cutting the milk and grains allowed weight loss of the 20 pounds.. no matter the calories.  

Now my body is used to such a regiment and it does not allow me to drop weight unless It is with yet another TYPE of maybe SEASONAL diet.  But my current body is so used to eating relatively little, 1000 calories, and still I can not drop any weight.   It is my Gatherer body that is so clever, it will protect me form future starvations at all cost.  

I wish I knew how to eat more, but I do not feel deprived, just stifled..

BUT sugar and sweets, I am all in favor of eating it..

I will make a meal for kids and be generous in sugar foods and sweet vegetables.

I will make:
pizza on rice cakes
sweetpotatoe chips in my dehydrator along with bananas, and maybe some meat jerky
spaghetti squash with tomato sauce, Parmesan and meatballs
butternuts soup or dessert
banana rice pudding made with farmer cheese
a bowl of sweet hard candy on the table, and fruit next to it.
Cherry juice or cranberry blended with ice for smoothies and even carrot juice added
and whatever else I can dream up - to introduce the kids and parents to vegetables and grain free eating..  

I wish I could use plain trehalose in place of sugar, but its not for kids? not even over weight kids?

my ode to sweets is not to be afraid of it, but to include it in the overall food pattern.. If you want rice pudding for dinner so be it, with raisins and dates;  or chocolate pudding with allowed quark type cheeses and nuts in place of dinner.  Eat hardy. and then be satisfied.. no steak to go with that. Tomorrow is time enough for the steak and veggies.. I think fun & happiness is more important than fear of food.  and rice cake filled with candied fruit and a dab of cream.. YES! but it has to look nice.. not just a blob.  

Dish patterns facing me, napkins folded, and glasses sparkling.  Sometimes even candles.  anything to build Memories.. not blobs on a plate.  Help your selves to four  times one serving spoon full, but eat what you put on your plate.  and I don't cook to have big trays of left overs or they go in the freezer.
  
    
  
  
    


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You made me hungry just reading about your "substitutions!" They sound delicious. Rice pudding with cheese is delicious! Of course, we always used cheeses that I can't have now, but I think it would be all right with mozzarella. I will have to try it. Yum!!


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In the last year or so I've gotten way away from the daily sweet thing, has helped me a lot.
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Goldie, in the larger natural food stores, it is possible to find hard candies that are made with sweeteners other than refined sugar.  I used to give my kids sour plum hard candy sweetened with rice syrup. I think there are other options, too.  I bought a brand of candy canes sweetened with maple syrup. And there were also some lollipops sweetened with maple syrup.  Even with candy, it's possible to find choices for the occasional candy treat that are not a highly refined non-food sugar.



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I wish I could find a means to do give sweets up and still be friendly ..I would become mean fast..

.. I will not beat on me about some of the CHOICES, since I don't I have other things as 'lovers' in my life..  

Yes substitutions is what life is all about:  with Swami.. I am allowed :

GT2 'Gatherer' (Blood Group O Non-Secretor)Food choices emphasizing hybridized BTD and GTD values
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Frequency: 4 servings weekly.

Portion Size:
Milk: 6 ounces;
Cheeses: 2-4 ounces;
Ghee and Butter 1 teaspoon



Beneficial:
Ghee, Clarified Butter
Quark Cheese  

Neutral: Butter
Cottage Cheese
Farmer Cheese
Manchego Cheese
Paneer Cheese
Ricotta Cheese
Romanian Urda

so some dairy should be adoptable to making creamy things..

Minimize your use of processed cheeses, cream cheese, high butterfat forms of milk and cream. Minimize use of blued cheeses such as Limburger and Roquefort cheese. They have a variety of alkaloid mycotoxins which can be a problem for many genotypes.

Meaning I might be able to use low fat quark which is another whole ball of fun to contemplate.. I will make fresh pineapple & quark ice cream with trehalose smoothies hahaha  



  




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Trehalose has not been studied on kids, so for now "the powers that be" (aka TPTB) are saying not to feed it to kids. Even DPN has to say that, so they don't get into legal trouble. The offiicial line is probably age 18 as the cutoff, even though that makes little biological sense. Parts of the brain are still  growing until the early 20's, while the rest of the body may be fully grown by age 16.

You need to decide what your comfort level is regarding trehalose and these overweight teens- I'm guessing they're your grandchildren? I'm thinking the kids' parents should have some say in the matter as well. Nobody yet knows what trehalose may do in teenagers' developing brains (could be  good or it  could be bad) or what large quantities (like you'd use in baking, not supplementing) would do to growing bodies in general. Would too much at once cause GI distress? Unpleasant detox symptoms? Since trehalose causes "unhealthy cells to die off, making room for healthy cells" there's definitely the possibility of harm to healthy cells if there aren't enough unhealthy cells around.

OTOH, all other sweeteners have known dangers, and trehalose may be a much healthier option for overweight/prediabetic teens. But the studies haven't yet been done. My gut feeling would be to limit added sweetener altogether for these kids. I wouldn't worry about carbs from veggies at all, and I wouldn't worry about modest amounts of sugars from whole fruits. I would prepare meals that are low GI, meaning plenty of protien and fat along with the carbs to slow absorption.

All of the cheeses listed as beneficial or neutral are soft cheeses. Any one of them would make a tasty frozen dessert if blended in the blender with fruits and then frozen. I'd go with full-fat varieties to lower the GI and make them more satisfying.


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Goldie, I don't necessarily disagree with what you're saying.  However, white sugar IS processed.  I would feel far better about putting sweets on the table regularly if I knew the sugars in them weren't "corn syrup" or some other yucky form of sweetener.  But if you buy treats from the store, that's what you're getting.  

I let my kids have maple syrup in their oatmeal and rice regularly.  Honey too.  But the junky sweets that I have no clue what's in them, we limit.  I think it can do long term damage to eat on a regular basis.  Which is what I see most people letting their kids do.  Every day, or every meal, it's got to be some form of junk going in the mouth.  That is creating a dependency and addiction.  Which is exactly what Coca-cola or proctor gamble or whoever wants you to be. And maybe some people can get away with it.  In our family, it didn't seem to help our health.  It just seems to me avoiding those things have helped my health and my sons to a large degree.  Yeah, it's fun, sweets are great.  But I see them being abused so easily.  I'm not claiming you do, I'm just bringing an opposite side of the story to make a point.  Sweets can hurt your health.  If you've had leaky gut, you know what I'm sayin.


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