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tolondontoparis
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If white wine is basically made the same as red whine, but missing the skin bits, then how can it go from neutral/beneficial for Os (depending on secretor status), to avoid for white wine?  
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I just finished reading about this in the Live Right For Your Blood Type Diet book in the section - Control High Stomach Acid Levels (Type O). p. 137. It increases gastrin production for us creating problems for us.  
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I just finished reading about this in the Live Right For Your Blood Type Diet book in the section - Control High Stomach Acid Levels (Type O). p. 137. It increases gastrin production for us creating problems for us.  



So, I'm sure a little wouldn't be that bad! I like to marinate steak in and beef in it! But if I must absolutely cut it out, I could
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Red wine is fine for O non-secretors, I believe.
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On my swami, Red Wine is a super, and White Wine is an avoid.  Perhaps the benefits of red wine outweigh the harmful acidity, while white wine has no other mitigating benefit(?).  I will say this:  white wine gives me a headache while red wine seldom does.  I don't know why that is.
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Interesting thread. We buy organic non-sulfited wines (there are some inexensive ones at our local wine shop)occasionally. I tend to prefer white wines because I don't tolerate the tannins in red wines very well. But my tolerance for alcohol in general has decreased since my hysterectomy (fibroids) induced menopause. I find that I can pretty well avoid hot flashes unless I drink.

Prior to that I was always curious as to why I felt fewer negative effects from white wines than reds-- not what I would expect, given my blood type. It is interesting that my mother's people all came from the Tokaj (Northeast) region of Hungary-- white wines are the only kind they produce.

They also make the absolute best fruit brandies in the world-- true fruit elixers. I've often wondered how those would stack up for me as an alcohol source. The brandies made in the rest of Europe are nothing in comparison, imagine the finest essential oil or perfume, then imagine that it is a liquor and you would get close. Delicate and light and not overly sweet, yet heady- distilled essence of pear, peach, cherry, etc. I seldom crave alcohol, but the custom of a true Hungarian brandy, the way my family made them (always in a very small specially made stem glass) as a before or after dinner digestive,  always feels very lux...
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O in Virginia
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Those sound lovely, Bekki.  Are the brandies like raspberry or pear eau de vie?  I love those.  Yes, avoiding alcohol does seem to help keep hot flashes at bay.  Mine come and go.
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The health benefits of red wine seem to be far superior to those of white wine.  I think if you are cooking with the wine, al little will not hurt you, however, but I am no expert.


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tolondontoparis,
More information on SWAMI diets can be found at:
http://www.4yourtype.com/swamixp_video.asp
http://www.dadamo.com/media/swami.htm
http://www.dadamo.com/clinic/swamigenotype.htm
http://www.dadamo.com/media/gtd.htm
find out how food rates for you individually, given your personal variables.


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Wow, you guys are amazing! I think I am a non-secretor, it makes me feel inferior and sad . I have such annoying skin issues, it would make sense, going to do post about it right now!
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on the contrary, knowing all you can about your individuality and physiology is powerful!


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Quoted from Lola
on the contrary, knowing all you can about your individuality and physiology is powerful!


Thanks  Lola! you give me hope!
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Being a secretor or non-secretor is simply how your body is made, and how it's been since you were born. Finding out the lab test result doesn't change your biology.

Being sad to find out you're a non-secretor is as silly as being sad to find out you're an O and not a B so you have to  give up yogurt. If you want to be healthy, more information simply helps you tailor your diet more specifically. Yes, nonnies are much more susceptable to a variety of health problems than secretors. But when we eat right for our bodies, those problems are prevented. The BTD is even more powerful for us than it is for secretors!

As for wines, it's clear to me that white and red wines react differently in our bodies. For Gatherers, white wine is the one to drink and red wine should be avoided (if you're following the diet in the book.) So, clearly, some O's actually do better on white wine than red, although the majority of us do best on red wines.

SWAMI will give you the most personalized food list possible. But whether or not you have a SWAMI, you want to see how your body actually reacts to various foods. SWAMI doesnt' always get things 100% right.

Bekki- those "fruit elixers" you're describing do sound like they're unlike the "liquor, distilled" that Dr D tested. I would consider them to be an unrated food- something to consume in moderation, after a period of eating clean,  to see how your body responds to it. Besides, they sound so yummy I'd be comfortable having a serving once or twice a year as a special treat, even if it's not fully compliant. (Then again, I  get distilled liquor as a black dot, so I do indulge in brandy or equivilent once or twice a year and consider it compliant.)


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Thanks  Lola! you give me hope!
I am surprised that Isa has not posted on this thread to tell you that non-secretors have Royal Blood!

There must be positive strengths for non secretors or we would soon cese to be.  Non secretors are different and there are many threads available that go into that theme.

Search using the word nonnie:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?v-search/


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Quoted from Bekki Shining Bearheart
I tend to prefer white wines because I don't tolerate the tannins in red wines very well.


Some low-tannin red wine possibilities:
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/.....red-wine-2006?blog=8


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Some low-tannin red wine possibilities:
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/.....red-wine-2006?blog=8


Ah that's great, thanks for sharing that.
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Quoted from tolondontoparis
I like to marinate steak in and beef in it!

Some interesting research on white wine's health benefits  ...

University of Connecticut Health Center:
  • White wines may be beneficial to the heart, researchers say
  • http://advance.uconn.edu/2007/070212/07021208.htm

In further reading the PubMed abstract, the journal article and some additional information about the above study, its authors said that the study's results imply red and white wines are equally powerful in helping to prevent arterial blockage and improving heart function ... and they found white wines to be rich in a type of antioxidant composition that's typically found in olive oil.

Even though the study tested a variety of wines from all around the world, the researchers only recommend white wines from France, Germany and Italy as ones being the richest sources of hydroxytyrosol and tyrosol, saying that some European white wines are as good as any red wine for health benefits.

Nonetheless, I'm pretty sure this study didn't raise the bar on what constitutes a daily serving, i.e., about a five-to-six ounce glass a day. <~;

I've also read where drinking more than the above amount actually negates the healthy benefits of wine. Maybe this amount is the threshold limit; where the body can benefit from the inherent phytochemicals in the wine and still process the alcohol without undue detriment, but move beyond this beneficial amount and the processes required to metabolize the alcohol, et cetera, as well as their physiological results, tip the body's balance into the negative. I mean, I don't know. I'm just speculating.

Lastly, tolondontoparis, my SWAMI says red wine good, white wine bad. That said, if a marinade recipe calls for white wine, I'll still include it. For one, it's only for flavoring/tenderizing. I'm not going to drink the marinade later. Too, the meat that I marinate will be cooked. Thus, any alcohol's burned off and the heat will denature any enzymes and/or proteins left over from the fining process of the wine (which should remediate any residual lectin concern). So, I'll stick to drinking red wine and cooking with white wine ... in moderation, of course. ((:

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PubMed: Does White Wine Qualify for French Paradox?



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