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cajun
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My Yoga instructor recently typed her blood and was dissappointed when she found out she is an O-. She thought she was an A due to her avoiding meat for 7 years, really enjoying and growing in yoga practice and her lifestyle in general. ( I lent her my ER4YT , Genotype, and Bloodtype Encyclopedia books to read in January.)
She has since heard from a friend about a new diet.."the bloodtype diet".. and how wonderful it has been! Now she has 2 testimonials (mine and her friends) so she really wants to follow but is afraid her aversion to red meat will stop her. I suggested she go slowly and add a little turkey, chicken and fish to begin. She might be gluten sensitive and already quit eating wheat. I know she eats lots of organic veggies.

Are there any O- members out there who do well without beef? Is it possible to benefit from poultry and fish as the only source of animal protein?

( I will add that as gifted as she is as a yoga teacher ( calming/nurturing/pleasant), she hikes often and does do other more active forms of exercise.)  


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getting rid of the avoids for her type will get her back to adding lean cuts of beef once in a while.....

she will need something to get over all the whole wheat and corn laden GF stuff she has been eating....

wait and see


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Sounds like me in many ways. I am o- and was vegan for about 15 years. It takes time and I still have to limit the amount of meat I eat.

I do best with fish, but grass fed beef is becoming more tolerable. BTD is the best, you have to listen to what your body truly needs.

For sure, pescatarian is possible and not a bad choice, however, to be most productive, I think red meat is necessary. just my opinion.
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My opinion is that type O's thrive with the addition of some red meat.  

Having said that - if a person has such a strong aversion to red meat that it could jeopardize their chances to be successful at the BTD, I definitely think they could focus on compliant fish and poultry (especially turkey; chicken is neutral for most O's)

I was a vegetarian yoga instructor for more than 20 years and I understand her perspective.  I think she should start where she is, de-emphasize grain carbs and emphasize fresh multi-hued produce with some kind of animal protein daily.  And eliminate the avoids for her blood type.

Type O's really thrive on lots of fresh vegetables - they don't need huge slabs of beef in order to be healthy.  There are some O's that love to eat as much beef as they can, but that's not necessarily recommended for all O's.

I have a type O friend who has been a devoted vegan for 20 years.  At some point, as she aged, her health finally began to unravel.  She can't bear to eat mammals, so her primary protein is wild Alaskan salmon.  It's not perfect, but it has been working for her for the past 3 years and her health has improved.

As your friend becomes accustomed to more animal-based protein, she may find that she can begin to try a little lamb or beef, or buffalo.  



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My mind, heart, and soul are vegan but my body rules us all and demands meat.  Sometimes I just can't emotionally handle eating another animal and I try to get by on beneficial beans, grains, and other vegatables but it only takes a few days to notice the difference.  So I first add eggs, but they aren't enough....fish.....not enough....chicken...getting closer...and finally I run for lean beef and feel whole again.  I try to look at it this way....I love my cat and don't begrudge him his animal protein in fact I make sure he has quality protein to suit his feline needs.  I am my cat. lol

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Thanks to all of you for such quick and great responses!
I cannot wait to relay all of this to her!


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oh, and p.s.

The more compliant you are in all areas of the diet the smaller the portions of animal protein you will need to stay healthy.  If I ate gluten, milk products, potatoes, corn, sugar and a whole host of other foods that are avoids for me, even huge slabs of animal flesh would not make me well.  


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huge slabs of animal flesh


I have yet to find that you mention in my frequency values given to me.....

huge is not what I would call 3 to 4 servings the size of my small hand a week


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Quoted from Lola


huge is not what I would call 3 to 4 servings the size of my small hand a week


I agree.  I think a 2/3 pound steak 7 days a week is a huge amount of meat.



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Perhaps you misunderstood.  I did not say the diet called for huge slabs of animal flesh.  I implied that meat of itself is not a panacea.
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Makes sense, Kibble.  

For a type O, vegetarianism usually means starchetarian.  And the lack of meat is only a small part of the problem they are creating for themselves.  In that case, even huge slabs of meat will not fix the imbalanced diet.  



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I eat more fish than red meat or poultry and that feels right to me.  My SWAMI also gives me more fish than red meat or poultry.  Just be sure that if and when she does add in red meat that it is grass fed and grass finished.  Generally I prefer lamb over beef as well.


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She could be an Explorer...not quite as much meat  


Married to a wonderful O- sec Hunter - he has already lost his 15 pounds...I have a few more to go    We both follow SWAMI

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At one time beef was my most hated food and basically eliminated from my diet, but I must credit it since BTD for giving me back clarity of thought and feelings of well-being.

L-Tyrosine in beef for Type O helps regulate dopamine and I must have been greatly lacking in this area.

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Quoted from Victoria
  

For a type O, vegetarianism usually means starchetarian.


One does not need to be an O to be a starchetarian. Following a vegetarian diet does not always equate to healthy eating in type A either.
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She could be an Explorer...not quite as much meat  


O explorers have quiet a lot of meat actually.

As a B explorer i have as much meat as a friend who is an O explorer, and she is the same as her O gatherer sister.


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Are there any O- members out there who do well without beef? Is it possible to benefit from poultry and fish as the only source of animal protein?



theoretically, sure, but i think that the healing would take longer.

if she is unable to take in red meat right away (whether psychologically or physically) perhaps she would benefit from beef or lamb broth. Use it as a base for soups, etc... it would be one way to introduce a beneficial back into her diet in an easier, less distressing way.

In the long run, all the Os & Bs i know who are / were vegetarians have had issues with weight, depression and anemia among other issues related to their neurological health, hormonal health, blood sugars and even they way their muscles/joints behave. In time, they will start to have greater issues with their health.

I was a vegetarian for 11 years (about 6+ as a vegan)... and i was so sick by the time i swtiched back to eating meat. It's taken YEARS to recover fully. BTW...i have finally gotten back a blood test where i have NO ANEMIA (iron, B12, and ferritin levels are all good)... first time in 12 years.

Anyways...

A yogi will understand what i am about to say... one of the primary guidelines in yoga is to listen to the body and not hurt yourself. This also applies to what you eat. If you are eating things that are harmful (even at the small, cellular level) you are not honoring yourself.

In Buddhism, the first teaching is commonly stated as 'do no harm to others'. In fact it is do no harm to yourself, then do no harm to others. This always makes me think of the Dali Lama... he eats meat because he needs to, otherwise he becomes anemic.


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Type O is supposed to avoid catfish.  I can understand farm raised catfish being bad because of what they are fed (corn,commercial feed).  But how about catfish caught out of the lake?
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Type O is supposed to avoid catfish.  I can understand farm raised catfish being bad because of what they are fed (corn,commercial feed).  But how about catfish caught out of the lake?

Type O Secretor should avoid catfish, although Typebase doesn't indicate why.  There doesn't appear to be a lectin, so it is hard to know why Dr. D. specified Avoid...


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I never did well without meat and believe it caused many health problems as well as real-world type problems like victimization.  Maybe ask her about that and see how it goes.  If she is really in touch she will get it.  
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Again, thank you all so much for great stories!
I relayed the earlier posts to her this morning at yoga practice.
She definitely "gets it" ...as a yogi and a very bright person.
She already tried a small amount of chicken and a larger portion of turkey. It made her feel good. I believe the idea of beef and lamb broths will get her to finally try some red meat. She still has my ER4YT books (3) so is doing some studying. Her goal has been to become an ND and now she wants to add Dr. D'Adamos philosophy!

Lloyd,
You are correct about vegetarianism and A's. Again, individuality, because I cannot
function without fish and turkey! I may have only one or two "fishless/turkeyless" dinners a week. I am trying to change that to lunches so that I eat most of my protein earlier in the day.


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Sounds like she's doing well!

She can definitely start out with the  eggs, fish, and poultry for now, along with cutting out the O avoids. After a few weeks, when she feels stronger from the diet but realizes she's still lacking something, she'll be ready to start eating red meat. But don't phrase it that way when you talk to her. Keep it all positive- how much better she'll feel and how she'll probably be ready to try some red meat in a while.


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Ruthie,
She already ate eggs, lots of veggies, fruit and an assortment of grains and some seafood. When I first introduced ER4YT to her she had suspected a gluten intolerance.
After a medical check up, blood drawn, etc. she decided to try eating naturally GF foods and felt better. I know she shops at our local Farmers market and health food store and enjoys cooking, especially Indian food. Since reading my D'Adamo books, she is aware of additives and avoids and pays close attention.
You are right about phrasing. I am always positive and encouraging. It is easy though as she is "hooked!" Recently, a friend from long ago contacted her and spoke of this "great way to eat/feel better/lose weight"....she was on the Bloodtype diet!
And, hopefully, it goes on and on.....


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She could be an Explorer...not quite as much meat  
Not in my experience.  If she is a nonsecretor it will be even more important, as will the avoidance of grains.

It does not surprise me that a well-balanced Explorer would take well to yoga.  It is very much an Explorer the-whole-is-greater-than-the-sum-of-the-parts kind of thing.



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Paul,
We haven't officially measured her but from what we have read we are both concluding she is a hunter.   She is tall and lean with a short torso and very long legs.
If I remember, you are tall also...yet an explorer. She is not muscular but has the tendon "pop-up" on her wrists when touching thumb to pinky. ( My feet/shin and wrist tendons are very visible without flexing. Typical teacher. )
I am thankful for everyones response as it helps her tremendously.


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The leg length is the best way of picking out Hunters out of a type O, Cajun.

I surprised a woman who knew a little about the BTD by telling her that she was either a Huntress if she was type O or a Nomadess if she was type B or AB, but there was no possibility that she was type A.  Her hips were very high - and she had a ect-meso look to her.

I am tall, but my hips are just a little on the side of low (longer body) and my knees are a little on the side of high (longer lower leg).  At my ideal weight I am a very boney 220 lbs.  


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Thanks, Paul!
You are built somewhat like my youngest son but his upper and lower legs measure just about even. He is a 24 1/2 year old type O- and a very muscular/lean 6'4" currently weighing 235. He was always tall and skinny as a kid but very filled out now.
My O- yoga instructor does have high, narrow hips, short torso, long lower and upper legs. She reminds me of a willow branch, long lean and graceful. She is thankful to learn about ER4YT and is doing well considering her aversion to eating any animal flesh! ( the lamb and broth ideas helped ) I am proud of her for eating chicken, turkey and fish.    


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Hi All,

Just agreeing with so much that people have said so far.

When I started the diet after 8 years of vegetarianism, it was not hard to transition to meat. I had been craving beef during my moon times already, and resisting the pull. Even though I, like Kibble, was devoted to the idea of not eating meat.

As to quantities, I think small amounts more often works best for me-- I'd rather eat an ounce or 2 of red meat 3 times a day than a huge steak at dinner, though when I'm doing lots of physical work I crave more-- it's like my muscles need the amino acid  and other raw materials in order to grow.

I noticed from the first bite of beef I ate that my body felt noticably better. What helped me to transition was making a vow to eat only sustainable mostly locally-raised meat, no factory-farmed environmentally detrimental beef. I very rarely eat out, and our favorite local restaurant does local meat quite inexpensively, so this is pretty doable.

Totally agree with these two:

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At one time beef was my most hated food and basically eliminated from my diet, but I must credit it since BTD for giving me back clarity of thought and feelings of well-being.

L-Tyrosine in beef for Type O helps regulate dopamine and I must have been greatly lacking in this area.


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In the long run, all the Os & Bs i know who are / were vegetarians have had issues with weight, depression and anemia among other issues related to their neurological health, hormonal health, blood sugars and even they way their muscles/joints behave. In time, they will start to have greater issues with their health.

I was a vegetarian for 11 years (about 6+ as a vegan)... and i was so sick by the time i swtiched back to eating meat. It's taken YEARS to recover fully. BTW...i have finally gotten back a blood test where i have NO ANEMIA (iron, B12, and ferritin levels are all good)... first time in 12 years.
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I meant to include this link for Joel Salatin's rebuttal of the New York Times article "the myth of sustainable meat".

http://grist.org/sustainable-farming/farmer-responds-to-the-new-york-times-re-sustainable-meat/

Joel was featured in The Omnivore's Dilemma.
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Great article Bekki, thanks for posting it!

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