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eva b.
Wednesday, March 21, 2012, 8:14pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I've been referred to a dietician because of severe digestive problems, and when I told her I had been sticking to the blood type diet for some years before my current issues started (connected to physical problems  - visceral neurapathy - and probably the medications I've ben prescribed)

Her immediate response was "o yes, I've heard of it but there's no sicneitific evidence"....what on earth does one say in response.

Surely all Dr D's work over the years can be called scientific evidence....

any suggestions would be welcomed, aas this is the 3rd person I've tried to work with and am close to giving up, but have special needs now.

p.s. please don't suggest SWAMI because I don't have the money at the moment
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At the very top of the page, click Learn More, and then click Scientific Basis.  It will have your doctor's head swimming, I'm sure.
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Wednesday, March 21, 2012, 8:29pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Yes, there are scientific papers about the role of lectins on blood type, that is the proof.
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This usually translates into 'I've heard that there is no scientific evidence.'


A whole system is a living system is a learning system.’ -Stewart Brand
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Eva,
I feel blessed, I work with an Acupuncturist who is Chinese and an MD/Holistic and they both agree with the Blood Type diet.
It is frustrating to hear the "naysayers" but I think Dr. D. is right.  They probably haven't done their own research and they've heard somewhere there is no scientific evidence, and it perhaps suits them to believe that because they wouldn't want to have to think about food choices!
Shame on them. Thank goodness not all of the people in the medical profession are so lazy.  I heard fairly recently of a boy sent home by the hospital who couldn't help him, but the Doctor told his parents to follow the blood type diet closely.  He was healed!  So how about that.

Lin


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it is terrible how people allow themselves to give any statements about issues they justamente can't or don't know....


I love the 3d phrase of the Ruiz programs: don't make assumptions....and no5 is da best be sceptical but learn to listen.....


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Be skeptical but learn to listen.


Amen to that.


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There is no scientific evidence if the only kind of evidence that happens to be scientific is double blind studies on extensively already researched topics...

ALL of the work is based science. It stems from a lot of research that is cited in many books, on the website, etc.

Perhaps this forum could help you some with digestive issues if you wanted to tell us some about what is going on with you, what you eat, don't eat, etc.
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This usually translates into 'I've heard that there is no scientific evidence.'


"Oh, you mean you've "heard" that there is no scientific evidence?" And do try not to sound sarcastic!    


"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." -- Benjamin Franklin
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Many people do not understand how the scientific method really works. A hypothesis which is the whole purpose for doing a scientific experiment in the first place really cannot be proven.

This is not because the science behind it changes but rather our understanding of the science. This is why scientific experiments must be repeated many times by different research groups so that the result can be reproduced and often at the same time our understanding of the results of the experiments can change.

If there is enough evidence to support a hypothesis then there is obviously something to it. But if their is no evidence to support it then you reject it  altogether and based on what other studies show a hypothesis can be modified.

In other words, a hypothesis is modified to fit what the experimental results show based on frequent and rigorous experimentation not on speculation but hard evidence.


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but the Doctor told his parents to follow the blood type diet closely.


amen to that Doctor as well!


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Is this dietician  willing to work with you, and respect your decision to follow BTD, even though she doesn't understand it? Or is she going to actively try to dissuade you from following BTD? This is especially relevant for O's, since the "official dietary advice" out there often says to reduce red meat, eat more whole grains, etc- the opposite of how O's should be eating.

If she's willing to work with you, in spite of her lack of understanding, then keep working with her. You don't have to convince her that BTD works or make her want to put every one of her clients on BTD (though that would certainly be nice!) Even if she thinks BTD is "a waste of time and energy but basically harmless" you can work with her.  All you really need is for her to be able to work with you personally on your specific health needs and be willing to accomodate BTD.


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Real world people and dieticians think they know how the metabolism works, in their world it is very simple- calories in and calories out.  They don't understand lectins and the role they play in messing up other hormones like leptin which most definitely will keep you from losing weight.  They just can't admit it and likely never will.
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THERE IS NO.... WHATEVER ... means the person is not willing to come here and learn!!!!

it is a cllear sign of chains on the brain..

as for proof.. theonly one that matters to me is my own BLOOD test..

when they are bad, they are bad,.. IF I improve, with food, then what more would anyone wan't????

Pills sometimes might work, and might be needed, as are some supplements, but still if i do not have to take 4 pills and can do with only 2 then that is prof enough1

ON the down side of 'scientific' proof.. to be honest, I could not drop any weight, after THE MANY years of 95% compliance.  My body had gotten used to it and adjusted, so yes weight can still be a issue.... but nothning else Drs could prescribe never made me drop weight.. so you figure..

When recently I went on HGC homeopathic - hormones-  now taken off the free market, becasue they worked so well for millions to shed OLD fat.. i WAS ABLE TO DROP A POUND A DAY FOR THE  first 21 days..  but that is a different issue.. one that only the strongest can do.. ___

I WISH they Dr D would come up with other weight loss hormones -- to give us HOPE!

BUT..  in the years.. I was on BTD... my sugar stayed stable for a lot longer then otherwise.. but they did get worse every year!!1..

ON HGC.. MY SUGAR LEVELS - TRYGLICERIDES - and CHOLESTEROL numbers DROPPED by 30% in 2 weeks on the drops.. and the numbers have stayed that way even after several moth's ..

MY GUMS and BONE loss was mayor for years!! and that has STOPPED and I have NO PAIN any more and the bone loss seems dimminished.

AND all that while LOOKING GREAT...

Is there SCIENTIFIC proof -- You figure out what is proof -scientific ?/ I have all the proof I NEED!  and my Dr sees what I report to him over the years..  and he is learning..    As I am showing through my experienc ewhat his younger wife is going trough.. haha



    



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eva b.
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thank you all for your replies...you've given me plenty to think about and some ammunition as well.

I have put of my latest appointment, because I've just had a load of blood tests for auto-immune stufff (Sjogrens and Lupus) and feel it would be a waste of time even attempting to discuss long term diet until I know what my status us with those.

I will certainly see if I can get her to look at the website and the evidence that is publishes,.


Your input is much appreciated!
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yes let us know what you learn/experience....

but Lupus like symptoms are difficult to deal with. Strengthening Your immune system will make a big difference,.. no matter if you have it or not.. !

If you don't have either of them.. I hope you don't...  then eating RIGHT to fix what ails you is even more important..  Then what will be most helpful, will the the fact, that the Doctor then will not prescribe heavy duty medications..

Have patience with your state of health and we will be here to help you..  



Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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ON the down side of 'scientific' proof.. to be honest, I could not drop any weight, after THE MANY years of 95% compliance.  My body had gotten used to it and adjusted, so yes weight can still be a issue.... but nothning else Drs could prescribe never made me drop weight.. so you figure..



Not to hijack this thread, but I wanted to share what Dr. D wrote about Deflect.  I'm wondering
if you've been 95% complaint after "so many years" without losing weight, have you taken Deflect for type O?

Situations where DEFLECT products may be indicated include:

Carbohydrate intolerant individuals who typically gain weight on high carbohydrate diets.
'Leaky Gut' and intestinal dysbiosis.
Food sensitivities.
Individuals with a low inflammatory threshold.


D'Adamo Personalized Nutrition produces the DEFLECT line of dietary supplements based on the writings of distinguished naturopath Dr. Peter D'Adamo, author of the best-selling book Eat Right 4 Your Type. DEFLECT products provide anti-adhesive therapy to lectin sensitive individuals. These ABO specific formulas block the effects of dietary lectins before they cause damage, by providing a source of free blocking carbohydrate. Since each blood type is susceptible to lectins with different carbohydrate specificities, we've designed formulas that block lectins by using mono and polysaccharides specific for each blood type. DEFLECT products are also an excellent source of soluble and insoluble fiber for that particular blood type.

Deflect isn't going to allow you to regularly consume avoids any more than a bulletproof vest can't protect your head, arms or legs. It may have some value as a 'morning-after' pill, but beyond that I would not posit... It is used to primarily repair lectin damage, typically by lowering the activity of lectins in the gut and blood. Some lectins are not food derived (such as bacteria, Candida, pollen, or even our own immune systems) and dietary avoidance will not inhibit them.

One way this repair mechanism works is by 'prying off' lectins that have already adhered to cellular receptors, such as insulin. Since insulin blockage by dietary lectins has been linked to both insulin resistance and obesity, using DEFLECT can help accelerate weight reduction in diet-compliant individuals by speeding up the time it takes for the regeneration of new insulin receptors or the 'cleansing' of the old ones. This can take upwards of one year in some individuals who just follow the diet, and explains why some dieters do not see weight loss in the early stages of the program. It is because of this 'lectin-locking' function that many other diets (which do have accelerated weight loss in their early stages) cause their followers to lose muscle mass and fat -when what we want is to lose only the fat. If the weight loss in Eat Right For Your Type is occasionally slow, at least it is healthy: Losing only body fat means that that a person's weight loss can sometimes be only 50% as rapid as other programs which are destroying muscle and fat. The problem is that muscle is hard to get back, and any drop in muscle mass results in a lower metabolic rate, leaving the dieter more likely to gain back the weight, but this time only in body fat.

Many lectins can amplify the effects of auto-immune disease, such as thyroiditis, rheumatoid arthritis, scleroderma, fibromyalgia and pemphigus. Research shows that some of the lectins that can cause this may actually be manufactured by the body itself (serum lectins). By acting as sacrificial molecules, Deflect can block this action.

People with 'food sensitivities' or 'leaky gut' usually have a phenomena called 'active endocytosis' where prior lectin damage results in an intestinal absorption surface that actively scoops up macromolecules. Because these larger molecules are very antigenic, then tend to increase local inflammation and thus increase the leaky gut. Again, by acting like 'sacrifical molecules' Deflect can block this, while also inhibiting bacterial adhesion to the gut as well (bacteria use their own lectins to attach to the intestines) a secondary cause of leaky gut. The amino sugars in DEFLECT can also help prevent re-infection by H. pylorri and many gram-negative bacteria which cause bladder infections, by flooding their own lectin receptors, thereby preventing adhesion, the first step needed for infection.

The amino sugars in DEFLECT encourage healthy bowel flora, although they do not provide a source of flora themselves. These same amino sugars are healthy enhancers of joint gliding surface and synovia as well.




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I like to distinguish between mathematic proof and scientific proof.

When someone says "no scientific proof" you can counter with "plenty of scientific evidence" for the principles of the BTD.

How a person responds to the proof/evidence distinction will tell you why they are sceptical.  You either do not waste your time on people who do not understand, or invest the time to explain the limits of scientific proof.


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for me .. Cloe.. Yes I lost 20 pounds at the very beginning of the change in eating.. that was great but was 16 years ago..

the same happened when I went 35 years ago on low carb.. 20 pounds.. then nothing..

I might need to look at the deflect one more time.. I have bought some but not for a year.. so that might be the issue..

Thanks for the writings..


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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for me .. Cloe.. Yes I lost 20 pounds at the very beginning of the change in eating.. that was great but was 16 years ago..

the same happened when I went 35 years ago on low carb.. 20 pounds.. then nothing..

I might need to look at the deflect one more time.. I have bought some but not for a year.. so that might be the issue..

Thanks for the writings..


I was losing weight and now I feel like I am at a standstill. Not sure how to increase my weight loss but something needs to change.

Maybe I am not eating enough meat, but I am following my portions and trying to listen to my body.

Low carb for me is the key...even if I have too much of bene fruits, I feel bloated and irritable..Goldie, have you ever experienced this?
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I wish someone would buy me deflect now... ha!
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tell me please at what point things become scientifique... all begin with an idea and then it is a sort of  experience... so all medicine is a form of experience oriented act.... but cant' take grip coz everybody is different and can't be compared (in reality ) so far this is since the very earliest beginning s form of joke or hoax...ahem yessss....are we mice...rats...or...........

the most problematic thing here (in my view ) is...that we attach so much of expectancies that other will have to succed in our names and assumptions/presumptions that we're going to punish those who *failed* in our views....* can't take place coz we are the culprit for our own expectancies.... so far: causa et effect....the so called evidence based medicine might be a form proof in futur but it won't explain any scientifiques at all.... its only in our brains..... we've to be aware about dogmas which are
déjà very powerful in so called *school medicine* ...and ther's also the points of punishments IF we won't act as others might to or would do so....to get burned verbally is à la mode today....

btw you can't heal anybody without his/her agreement.... you see.... all about
agreements ......this is the most powerful tool.... no doubts...


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