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...if a baked good has 4 Tbs. of any sweetener, and it is divided into 12 portions, each portion has 1 tsp. of sweetener. That would mean a dozen cookies would have to last 12 days. I can easily eat 3 cookies in one sitting and this is why I very rarely have desserts! Glycerin is used differently by the body according to Dr. D'Adamo and so if I do bake, I either add glycerin or my compliant fruit as sweetener.
Good point there & great reminder!!

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Good point there & great reminder!!


I can't remember the last time I ate a cookie. I keep stuff like that buried in my freezer in the laundry so I'm not tempted. But I did eat a banana muffin tonight that had .25 of a cup of an equal mix of maple syrup and glycerin in the whole recipe of 12 muffins. I don't know how that translates from plain old sugar to how much I had in a muffin. The muffins are now in the freezer...... But they are gluten free and made of ingredients that are at least a neutral for me. A small amount of sorghum flour being the neutral.


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I think my SWAMI has me typed incorrectly, because Agave is listed as a superfood and I did not test well with it at all.  When I did used it in some baked goods, I got became nauseous.

If Os do not do well with carbs in general, I don't understand how 8 different sweeteners can be listed as superfoods.  I find this very confusing!  


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I think my SWAMI has me typed incorrectly, because Agave is listed as a superfood and I did not test well with it at all.  When I did used it in some baked goods, I got became nauseous.

If Os do not do well with carbs in general, I don't understand how 8 different sweeteners can be listed as superfoods.  I find this very confusing!  


If you as an individual don't do well on one or many sweeteners then by all means don't use them.

SWAMI is not meant to be a diagnostic tool. It doesn't know if you have specific food allergies. It does the best it can with the information you give it and most people are able to use that effectively.

As an aside, sweeteners are listed as superfoods only in the context of the limited use (portions) suggested. The values are based on a variety of factors of which specific nutrition plays a large role.
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i'm supposed to be able to have stevia and can't handle much of it at all. I have used the darker agave with no problems but as an explorer my swami gives me a wide variety of sweeteners to pick from including blackstrap which for some reason dose not sit well with my blood sugar. my favorite has become turbando cane sugar. the process is very simple, the crush and juice raw sugar can and then spin it in a turbine (hence the name) to dry it out. the result is similar to brown sugar but is only raw cane sugar (no molasses or anything else added) and the taste is wonderful. not to mention it cooks like sugar because it is sugar. it is a little coarse (raw unrefined sugar   ) but it works well in everything to far.


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I do well now with agave since my last posts on it, because my gut has healed more.
I put it in my morning tea. I don't feel like adding a lot because on the whole, it's just not that sweet anyway.
It made great baked bread for Easter too.  


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If Os do not do well with carbs in general, I don't understand how 8 different sweeteners can be listed as superfoods.  I find this very confusing!  
Same here.  I agree.  I need to ignore the recommendation.



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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It doesn't matter whether you have 8 sweeteners listed as "superfoods" or if all your sweeteners are only "neutral." Take a look at the portions. If you're only supposed to have half a teaspoon per day, you're simply not going to do well eating a muffin with a tablespoon of agave per portion! And remember that your portion size of sweeteners is total for the day- you can't have a teaspoon EACH of 8 different sweeteners.

You also may not do well on the sweetener when it's baked into a muffin or cake with additional carbs. The same sweetener may react very differently in your body if you had it in a cup of tea or hot cocoa, not consumed with grains.

And remember that SWAMI isn't perfect. It's an incredibly complex computer program, but it's nowhere near as complex as the human body. Sometimes it gets foods "wrong." That may be the case with you and agave.


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It doesn't matter whether you have 8 sweeteners listed as "superfoods" or if all your sweeteners are only "neutral." Take a look at the portions. If you're only supposed to have half a teaspoon per day, you're simply not going to do well eating a muffin with a tablespoon of agave per portion! And remember that your portion size of sweeteners is total for the day- you can't have a teaspoon EACH of 8 different sweeteners.

You also may not do well on the sweetener when it's baked into a muffin or cake with additional carbs. The same sweetener may react very differently in your body if you had it in a cup of tea or hot cocoa, not consumed with grains.

And remember that SWAMI isn't perfect. It's an incredibly complex computer program, but it's nowhere near as complex as the human body. Sometimes it gets foods "wrong." That may be the case with you and agave.


Well said Ruthie!  
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Quoted from ruthiegirl

You also may not do well on the sweetener when it's baked into a muffin or cake with additional carbs. The same sweetener may react very differently in your body if you had it in a cup of tea or hot cocoa, not consumed with grains.


Hmmm....come to think of it, it did make me eat 3/4 of the loaf of bread all in one day.  


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Agave:  JUST SAY "NO"!


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Sorry to resurrect this thread but I had to do a search to see if had been discussed before.

I have to admit I was a bit dismayed to discover that the Dr. D. Cherry Uni bar has Agave listed as the FIRST ingredient.  It has a higher glycemic rating that HFC Syrup.  

What gives?  Thoughts?


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It's a very tired subject. Lot's of misinformation.
Quoted from Dr. D
Fructose cannot cause any significant insulin spikes since fructose does not require insulin for its absorption and metabolism. Agave is a source of fructose (as are blueberries) but the main reason it is generally considered a 'neutral' as compared to other sweeteners is that it seems to produce almost no bacteria overgrowth (as opposed to hfcs, which does) and does not provoke major immune/ gut related reactions, which hfcs also does (probably because it is corn derived; I've seen this same thing with 'ascorbic acid' vitamin C versus rose hip and acerola derived vitamin C -- most commercial ascorbic acid is derived from corn syrup).

Beware of the 'fructose is bad' mantra. If you took that to it's logical extreme, you'd never eat a fruit. It's the hfcs we are being deluged with that is the problem.


Be aware that a lot of opinion is simply curated information from unreliable sources and incomplete research. Often driven by industrial sabotage (the sugar and corn lobbies are hugely protectionist and influential). Better to stick with Dr. D's objective research.
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Agave is listed as a super food for me, but at zero to 1 teaspoon per serving I don't think I am going to have any huge issues with it at all!! The sugar industry has been throwing its monster weight around for decades. It has been many years since I bought any of their poison!

As for the Unibars, I cut them up into five slices so that gives me more or less that teaspoon I'm allowed per serving. One of those slices with a few nuts make a delicious snack!


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Agave is good for me on the SWAMI so I don’t have a problem that it is part of the UNI Bar.  I do however have concern that it is the first ingredient.  I wanted to keep it around in case I had to miss a meal.  But it is way too much servings of fructose for a single meal so I was hoping that there was another alternative besides cutting it up.

Thanks for the feedback.


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Naturegyrll, there are so many different ways to make a nice "candy" that is compliant. It is so easy too! Just get some cocoa and/or carob, a little molasses, honey, agave or whatever you like, some nut butter, a little dried fruit, a few chopped nuts and soon you will have a delicious candy! BTW, I think the Unibars could be at least half as sweet as they are, but so many people love sweeteners I suppose they would be hard to sell.


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I have agave every other day now. Only in the morning. In my cocoa almond milk. Somehow when it combines with the cocoa and the unsweetened milk it is intensified, therefore, it doesn't take much.  


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Yeah, I guess I’m going to be forced to make my own in order to control the ingredients better.  So much for grab and go .  


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Yeah, I guess I’m going to be forced to make my own in order to control the ingredients better.  So much for grab and go .  

You could make up a batch, cut it up into whatever size squares you like and refrigerate or freeze it! I have some in my refrigerator right now! Really, it is just sooo easy!


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Yeah, I guess I’m going to be forced to make my own in order to control the ingredients better.  So much for grab and go .  


Why not use the Unibar as a base for mix-ins, like compliant nuts? Stretches the sweetener per serving more to your liking.  Keep them in the freezer, I'll bet they'll thaw in just few minutes in your pocket.
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Much less expensive and easier to just make her own.


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I eat Unibars, but I'd prefer it if they were half as sweet and contained more fat.  Lately I've been buying jerky or pemmican bars.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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If you can eat dates, here's my date fudge.

Medjool dates, soaked in hot water until soft. (I use 4-6 large ones depending on the batch size I'm making)

Put dates into mini food processor.  Add a tsp of instant coffee powder.  This is optional if you can't
have coffee.  I also use a pinch of sea salt and a few drops of vanilla extract. (could just as well
be almond extract or any other flavor).

I add as much raw carob powder as it takes to blend with the dates and become a thick paste.  Pretty
much like a stiff cookie dough...  But you could just as well use cocoa powder (just happens to be a black dot for me and carob is a diamond).

Last time I made this, I also added a tsp of coconut oil....which gave it a super rich flavor and added
just enough fat to stiffen the mixture a bit more when I refrigerated it.

Chill the mixture.....  Then form into balls and roll in crushed almonds or any crushed nuts.  I keep
my date balls in the freezer. (so I won't eat the whole batch at once).

It's super delicious....reminds me of fudge.

Sorry for hijacking the thread....this has nothing to do with agave.....but just sharing a way to make a sweet
tasting "candy" without using any refined sweetener at all.


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Thanks Chloe, I'll have to try this using figs and ghee  

I miss medjool dates  
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Thanks Chloe, that sounds wonderful!  Dates are a Superfood for me.  I'll have to leave out the coffee, however.  

I found some bars at the market called RISE which has a very short list of ingredients.  My current favorite lists:

INGREDIENTS: ALMONDS* DATES* COCONUT* RAISINS* BROWN RICE SYRUP* TAPIOCA SYRUP* AMARANTH* ACAI* SEA SALT
* ORGANIC INGREDIENT

All work with my SWAMI.  So it's a convenience factor for me.  I also am looking at a site called True Nutrition which will make bars for me based on my specs.


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