Hi
I am very concerned about my teeth. It appears the more compliant I am, the worse they are getting.


I really need to fiigure out what the issue...is??

Of course, I am older, and I do think genetics play a role, but I want to do more to be preventative.

My parents both had dentures at 35.

I need to order more calcium, but not sure what else I can do... very sad because I do not eat like the "general population" , nor smoke, drink and feel guilty if I have tooo much fruit, so why is it that I still am worse off than others who do not even care about their health.

I love gnawing on the bones used for my bone broths......my teeth are healthy and so are my gums.

The recessive damage my gums suffered pre BTD has been reversed.....

do NOT fear the meat!

you have done a secretor test, have you?

I had a little gum damage too until I started the supplement regimen I'm on. My dentist has been amazed at how healthy they are now! Another vote for the BTD/GENO/SWAMI diets!!

marjorie, what are the problems you are experiencing with your teeth.  

Have you tried oil pulling?  It is supposed to be great for the teeth and gums.  However, be aware that if you have decay under a filling, it could pull that filling out, from what I have been told.

I've been oil pulling every day since last March with coconut oil..  So far so good...nothing fell out.
I've read that it's actually a good thing if oil pulling dislodges a cap or filling...  It means it wasn't a healthy well fitting filling or cap in the first place.

I've started oil pulling recently, and I think it is helping my gums and teeth.  I have dental issues, too.  I'll try anything not to have to go through another implant process.  

Quoted from O in Virginia

I've started oil pulling recently, and I think it is helping my gums and teeth.  I have dental issues, too.  I'll try anything not to have to go through another implant process.  

I have an implant coming up.  Is it that bad?

ok ladies, thank you for the oil pulling, need to try this. I do have fillings, though.

Lola- how do I get the bone broth? I do not cook or at least I did not before tell me how to do this, please. Also, I had some beef in the last two weeks in moderation, however, my teeth are worse.... what else can I do? What causes tooth decay other than sugar ( which I hardly eat).

Perhaps, all the chomping on my salads, or maybe it was the horrible toxins from grilling that I did before. Or the pesticides from all the veggies, however, I always washed them. Once again, I am starting to not want to put anything in my mouth.

P- I have to have 3 teeth pulled. He also said my gums are weak.. so annoying when I totally take care of what goes in my mouth.

How about a good toothpaste?

Could you please share more about this oil pulling. I have had many teeth pulled on my right side. I want to keep what I have left healthy. I have to have some fillings redone on the left side. The only side left to chew with. I do need some fillings redone on the left. That makes me nervous. The dentist told me that each time a filling has to be removed, they take some of the tooth with it. The fillings become bigger and bigger each time which eventually leads to bigger problems. That is the problem with white fillings. I don't ever want root canals again. Would be nice if the oil could remove it naturally for me.

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I have an implant coming up.  Is it that bad?

Nah, just depends on where it is located.  It was the first time I'd ever had an extraction, and that really freaked me out.     My implant was in a location close to the sinus cavity.  I had to have a bone graft first, then wait a few months for that to grow; then the implant procedure, and wait a few months for that to "take", I guess for the bone to grow around it; then finally the other stuff (prosthodontist, etc., and waiting for all of that).  It took the better part of a year to get it all done from start to finish.  It was just took way more time than I anticipated.  Would I do it again?  Of course!  I'd much rather have an implant than bridge work.  Yours might not be as involved as that.  I sure hope not.  

My holistic dentist has this book in his treatment room.  I was having a tooth pulled and had a lot of waiting around between different things, so I read quite a bit of it.  I need to purchase it myself.

One thing I will say is that he talks about coconut oil.  O in V uses sesame oil, I think.  Most high-quality oils should work.  Coconut oil has other properties that I like, but DO NOT SWALLOW THE OIL.

http://www.amazon.com/Oil-Pull.....320274741&sr=1-1

marjorie, this will also help your gums!

PM - I think they take more of the tooth each time a filling needs to be replaced whether it is a composite filling or not.  I currently need an implant (had a tooth pulled in the front in October and am currently wearing a retainer with a fake tooth) and about five crowns, not to mention the amalgam removal, so I FEEL YOUR PAIN!!!  

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Lola- how do I get the bone broth? I do not cook or at least I did not before tell me how to do this, please. Also, I had some beef in the last two weeks in moderation, however, my teeth are worse.... what else can I do? What causes tooth decay other than sugar ( which I hardly eat).

I'm not Lola, but I make a lot of bone broth.  Just roast some grass fed beef bones (you can get these at Whole Foods if you ask at the meat counter, they may have to cut some for you in the back) or whatever kind of bones you want, in an oven for about 20 minutes or however long it takes to brown them.  I do that because roasted bone broth tastes better to me than putting raw bones in the pot.  I use a crockpot.  I add about 2.5 quarts of water and let it all simmer for about 24 hours.  The last half hour you can add lemon juice.  The acid is supposed to help draw out the minerals from the bones.  You can add that before.  I'm never very sure on that point.     Anyway, when your broth is done, strain it, let it cool, put in the fridge overnight.  Next day, skim off or strain the congealed fat.  If it is beef bone broth it will be like jelly.  The jelly will liquify as you reheat it.  VERY good for you!  I use that as the basis for wonderful soups with lots of veggies.  I use turkey bones more often now because turkey is ok for both me and my Type A husband.  So...it's a little time consuming, but easy.

Quoted from O in Virginia

Nah, just depends on where it is located.  It was the first time I'd ever had an extraction, and that really freaked me out.     My implant was in a location close to the sinus cavity.  I had to have a bone graft first, then wait a few months for that to grow; then the implant procedure, and wait a few months for that to "take", I guess for the bone to grow around it; then finally the other stuff (prosthodontist, etc., and waiting for all of that).  It took the better part of a year to get it all done from start to finish.  It was just took way more time than I anticipated.  Would I do it again?  Of course!  I'd much rather have an implant than bridge work.  Yours might not be as involved as that.  I sure hope not.  

Mine sounds exactly like yours:  tooth extraction (not near sinuses thankfully) but the root was huge and the extraction was extremely painful.  They think I got an infection after so had to go on a massive dose of antibiotics.  I had the bone graft too.  The entire extraction process was very painful because of the infection.  I am waiting for the graft to heal enough so that they can place the post, etc, etc.  I think the extraction is the worst part, yes?  I sure hope so  

Quoted from O in Virginia

I'm not Lola, but I make a lot of bone broth.  Just roast some grass fed beef bones (you can get these at Whole Foods if you ask at the meat counter, they may have to cut some for you in the back) or whatever kind of bones you want, in an oven for about 20 minutes or however long it takes to brown them.  I do that because roasted bone broth tastes better to me than putting raw bones in the pot.  I use a crockpot.  I add about 2.5 quarts of water and let it all simmer for about 24 hours.  The last half hour you can add lemon juice.  The acid is supposed to help draw out the minerals from the bones.  You can add that before.  I'm never very sure on that point.     Anyway, when your broth is done, strain it, let it cool, put in the fridge overnight.  Next day, skim off or strain the congealed fat.  If it is beef bone broth it will be like jelly.  The jelly will liquify as you reheat it.  VERY good for you!  I use that as the basis for wonderful soups with lots of veggies.  I use turkey bones more often now because turkey is ok for both me and my Type A husband.  So...it's a little time consuming, but easy.

Great Thank You. Now, I have to get a slow cooker. I am not joking, Patty. One pot in my house for bardboiling eggs and I just got rid of my george foreman.

I do have one cookie sheet which use for baking my fish. Talk about living in the dark ages. This weekend, I will get a slow cooker and a steamer... right after I work my 2 jobs, and study

Have you figured out, my family never cooked growing up.

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Mine sounds exactly like yours:  tooth extraction (not near sinuses thankfully) but the root was huge and the extraction was extremely painful.  They think I got an infection after so had to go on a massive dose of antibiotics.  I had the bone graft too.  The entire extraction process was very painful because of the infection.  I am waiting for the graft to heal enough so that they can place the post, etc, etc.  I think the extraction is the worst part, yes?  I sure hope so  

Patty, once the tooth is extracted, which must have been the source of the infection, the area can heal and the rest of the process should go more smoothly for you.  I'm sorry you were in so much pain.     I was given pain meds after the extraction (had stitches, too), but I couldn't take it after a day or two.  Opiate-derived meds make me feel waaay too weird...hallucinations/waking dreams.  Yikes.  I'd rather deal with the pain.  

Patty, you need bone broth, too!  I healed very well (my periodontist was extremely pleased) and I swear it was all the bone broth I was drinking while healing.

I'm going through the same thing.  Had a tooth pulled in the spring, implant was placed yesterday.  I also had two more teeth removed yesterday and the bone grafts done by the periodontist.  I look like a chipmunk today but not in  any real pain.  The cost is the real big pain!  Mine are in the back so I don't think I'll need the temps.  Lots of little stitches and ice packs.  I'm having to eat soft foods for at least 2 weeks so I bought some yogurt which I normally wouldn't eat but I can't have anything hot or hathrd.  I ate some Tinkyada pasta with feta and some soft veggies just warmed up.  
I'm also on steroids and antibiotics which I hate to do but I don't want an infection.  I'm also taking bromelain and Polyflora.  Hopefully back to work tomorrow.

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I'm going through the same thing.  Had a tooth pulled in the spring, implant was placed yesterday.  I also had two more teeth removed yesterday and the bone grafts done by the periodontist.  I look like a chipmunk today but not in  any real pain.  The cost is the real big pain!  Mine are in the back so I don't think I'll need the temps.  Lots of little stitches and ice packs.  I'm having to eat soft foods for at least 2 weeks so I bought some yogurt which I normally wouldn't eat but I can't have anything hot or hathrd.  I ate some Tinkyada pasta with feta and some soft veggies just warmed up.  
I'm also on steroids and antibiotics which I hate to do but I don't want an infection.  I'm also taking bromelain and Polyflora.  Hopefully back to work tomorrow.

Bone broth for you, too!  

The book "Cure Tooth Decay" is a MUST read.

Recipes for tooth strengthening, etc.  

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The book "Cure Tooth Decay" is a MUST read.

Recipes for tooth strengthening, etc.  

Who is the author?

Thank you

Calcium hydroxyapatite with a protein meal if you cannot afford Phytocal.

Quoted from Patty H

My holistic dentist has this book in his treatment room.  I was having a tooth pulled and had a lot of waiting around between different things, so I read quite a bit of it.  I need to purchase it myself.

One thing I will say is that he talks about coconut oil.  O in V uses sesame oil, I think.  Most high-quality oils should work.  Coconut oil has other properties that I like, but DO NOT SWALLOW THE OIL.

http://www.amazon.com/Oil-Pull.....320274741&sr=1-1

marjorie, this will also help your gums!

PM - I think they take more of the tooth each time a filling needs to be replaced whether it is a composite filling or not.  I currently need an implant (had a tooth pulled in the front in October and am currently wearing a retainer with a fake tooth) and about five crowns, not to mention the amalgam removal, so I FEEL YOUR PAIN!!!  

The thing is, composite needs to be replaced more often.

Quoted from marjorie

Who is the author?

Thank you

From a quick search, I think this is the book being referenced...  The author is Ramiel Nagel.
http://www.amazon.com/Cure-Tooth-Decay-Cavities-Nutrition/dp/1434810607

Quoted from marjorie

ok ladies, thank you for the oil pulling, need to try this. I do have fillings, though.

Lola- how do I get the bone broth? I do not cook or at least I did not before tell me how to do this, please. Also, I had some beef in the last two weeks in moderation, however, my teeth are worse.... what else can I do? What causes tooth decay other than sugar ( which I hardly eat).

Perhaps, all the chomping on my salads, or maybe it was the horrible toxins from grilling that I did before. Or the pesticides from all the veggies, however, I always washed them. Once again, I am starting to not want to put anything in my mouth.

P- I have to have 3 teeth pulled. He also said my gums are weak.. so annoying when I totally take care of what goes in my mouth.

How about a good toothpaste?

Hi Marjorie!

My teeth are atrocious! I inherited bad ones, coupled with all those years of eating processed carbs and not brushing at night as a child and teenager.

I have more crowns than the Royal Family, BUT my gums are textbook-ready - 1 or 2 as the pocket depth. ;o) I floss everyday (at night and sometimes in between) and use interdental brushes as needed. I used to use Crest ProHealth, yet recently began to use Tom's of Maine non-flouride toothpaste. I also use the Sonicaire toothbrush. ANd brush at least twice a day.

Sometimes, poor dental health can be related to crowding or needing orthodontia. And other times, no matter what we do (like me,) our teeth are what they are and we can only do the best we can.

I even have dental equipment at home - I am obsessed with my oral health.

Melissa

The thing is, composite needs to be replaced more often. From PrincessMia

I have several that are twenty-five years old, and they are still doing fine. Knock on wood, of course!

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The thing is, composite needs to be replaced more often.

That may be true, but trust me on this one - you do not want to deal with the mercury toxicity.  It impacts every aspect of your health and wellness.  Go for the composites over amalgam.  Why eat a beautiful, pure, clean diet only to have your body poisoned by mercury???!!!            

I use a Sonicare too. Also, wore braces when I was thrity-two and pregnant! I had too many teeth and had to have some pulled. In fact, the girl who was pounding on the braces, knocked off a crown down to the gum, and I had to have surgery to get rid of it. Of course, they paid the bill. It really didn't matter because I didn't have room for the thing anyway. Poor girl got fired because of it, though.

I used to have one or two cavities every time I went for my yearly exam.  A few years ago, I changed my dental hygiene routine and it has been very successful.  No cavities at all in the past 3 or 4 years.

I don't use regular (even natural food store) toothpaste anymore.  I have switched to Uncle Harry's 'toothpastes' that come in clear glass jars.  I buy two different kinds - one is clay based (Calcium carbonate, sea salt, mustard seed powder, peppermint, eucalyptus, clove, oregano, and wintergreen essential oils, bentonite clay, ionic minerals, and colloidal silver water) and one is a mild soft soap (Castile soap, ionic minerals, organic peppermint oil, purified ocean water).  Sometimes I alternate between the two and sometimes I combine them. They have different flavors, I like the peppermint.  They clean super well and have improved the health of my gums.

Sometimes I put the paste on my brush and then sprinkle on either some Uncle Harry's tooth powder or EcoDent tooth powder.  I also brush my tongue well, to remove the bacterial bed.

Before bed without fail, I floss very carefully, wrapping the floss around each tooth and making sure to remove any trace of build-up.  I found this wonderful woven floss by Dr. Tung's that works great.

My rinse is sea salt, baking soda and sometimes xylitol dissolved in a little warm water.

wow, I feel much better and not so alone on this issue. I would like to apologize for my concerns after hearing what others are going through. I hope you all are doing better with managing your teeth issues!

thanks for the feedback and I will try all methods suggested. Hopefully, I will prevent worse case scenarios.

Lola- I did a secretor test years ago, and it was done by me, then I sent the saliva test to the lab.... however, I am wondering if I did it right. Sounds like I might be a nonsecretor, plus I am rh- o.

I wonder if my doctor will do this for me?

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I used to have one or two cavities every time I went for my yearly exam.  A few years ago, I changed my dental hygiene routine and it has been very successful.  No cavities at all in the past 3 or 4 years.

I don't use regular (even natural food store) toothpaste anymore.  I have switched to Uncle Harry's 'toothpastes' that come in clear glass jars.  I buy two different kinds - one is clay based (Calcium carbonate, sea salt, mustard seed powder, peppermint, eucalyptus, clove, oregano, and wintergreen essential oils, bentonite clay, ionic minerals, and colloidal silver water) and one is a mild soft soap (Castile soap, ionic minerals, organic peppermint oil, purified ocean water).  Sometimes I alternate between the two and sometimes I combine them. They have different flavors, I like the peppermint.  They clean super well and have improved the health of my gums.

Sometimes I put the paste on my brush and then sprinkle on either some Uncle Harry's tooth powder or EcoDent tooth powder.  I also brush my tongue well, to remove the bacterial bed.

Before bed without fail, I floss very carefully, wrapping the floss around each tooth and making sure to remove any trace of build-up.  I found this wonderful woven floss by Dr. Tung's that works great.

My rinse is sea salt, baking soda and sometimes xylitol dissolved in a little warm water.

I like the sound of your hygiene ritual Where can I get the Uncle Harrys tooth powder?
Yes, I am getting better at the flossing.. very important.

Spring, I had way too many teeth as well... had 4 pre-molars & all 4 wisdom teeth pulled before I got braces at 19 & I still look like I have a mouthful of teeth!     I swear by my Sonicare toothbrush, too!  I'm such a hard brusher (more scrubbing = cleaner teeth, right?) and have some recession from years of hard brushing & also from the bands from my braces.

Lola, how long did it take you to reverse the recession???  I'd love to fix mine!

Marjorie, you can get Uncle Harry's tooth care products at any good natural food store, or search on Google.  You'll get countless sources there.

Quoted from ABJoe

From a quick search, I think this is the book being referenced...  The author is Ramiel Nagel.
http://www.amazon.com/Cure-Tooth-Decay-Cavities-Nutrition/dp/1434810607

Thanks ABJoe! That's the book

Quoted from Patty H

That may be true, but trust me on this one - you do not want to deal with the mercury toxicity.  It impacts every aspect of your health and wellness.  Go for the composites over amalgam.  Why eat a beautiful, pure, clean diet only to have your body poisoned by mercury???!!!            

I had all of mine removed years ago when I heard how bad they were. No worries about that.

Despite taking good care of my teeth, I was just informed that my dry mouth problem could be causing my dental problems. I cant breathe through my nose. This could be a big factor in my dry mouth problem. Learned from the Dr Oz show that this could be due to a deviated septum.  I will see a specialist for this. It can be easily fixed from what I understand. A friend of mine told me to use biotin products for this dry mouth problem in the meantime. Has anyone tried this? I don't sleep well, I need to sip water all night due to the pain of the dryness. Then I am constantly going to the bathroom.

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Despite taking good care of my teeth, I was just informed that my dry mouth problem could be causing my dental problems. I cant breathe through my nose. This could be a big factor in my dry mouth problem. Learned from the Dr Oz show that this could be due to a deviated septum.  I will see a specialist for this. It can be easily fixed from what I understand. A friend of mine told me to use biotin products for this dry mouth problem in the meantime. Has anyone tried this? I don't sleep well, I need to sip water all night due to the pain of the dryness. Then I am constantly going to the bathroom.

Mouth breathing causes a lot of oral problems, specifically periodontal disease and caries. It is especially dangerous for upper teeth. Our mouths need to be moist. I do not know what you can have, however, have you tried glycerin mouth swabs? I used these a little bit when I had pancreatitis and was NPO (I couldn't eat or drink anything.) They moisten the mouth without actually consuming liquid.

I have used Biotin because I have atrocious teeth and it definitely coats...it has a lot of junk in it, which is one of the reasons I stopped using it.

Are your nasal passages always clogged? What has your GP said about a deviated septum?

Melissa

My Dr gave me a prescription to see a an ent specialist. They will call me to set up an appointment. I just read up on oil pulling. The site I found did not mention olive oil. I hope I can use that. I mentioned a while back that I bought some and did not like it. This would be a good way to use it up. They state you should not do it at night. Is that written in stone. I am wondering if I did do it at night if it may help with the dry mouth problem. Nasal passages used to be clogged often before btd. If I block each nostril at a time, air flow is low on one side. If I try to breathe through my nose, I get out of breath, its like I am not getting enough oxygen.

Thank you to whoever mentioned the oil pulling. The more I read up on it the more excited I am about it. I ran across a site that said it would help dry eyes too which I also have.

I noticed my teeth getting stronger and less sensitive when I use Banana Flower Essence.

I usually add a drop of oregano oil to my tooth brush with my toothpaste but it always burned my gums a lot. After using the banana flower essence, I have ZERO burning. Amazing.

BANANA- A versatile remedy useful in a wide range of situations including male machismo, teeth, gum, jaw, and mouth issues, as well as sugar cravings.

Flower Power!

Oil pulling sounds very interesting, is Olive Oil alright to use, I think Coconut is an avoid for me. Does it work ok for Explorers?

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I noticed my teeth getting stronger and less sensitive when I use Banana Flower Essence.

I usually add a drop of oregano oil to my tooth brush with my toothpaste but it always burned my gums a lot. After using the banana flower essence, I have ZERO burning. Amazing.

BANANA- A versatile remedy useful in a wide range of situations including male machismo, teeth, gum, jaw, and mouth issues, as well as sugar cravings.

Flower Power!

This is one essence I've not heard of. Which company makes this and do you put it on with your toothpaste? thanks

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Oil pulling sounds very interesting, is Olive Oil alright to use, I think Coconut is an avoid for me. Does it work ok for Explorers?

It does seem to work well, but I lost a metal filling from oil pulling with olive oil.

You can learn to put up with the taste, but it is still a good idea to have something tasty to swill afterwards.  Green tea did it for me.

Majorie it is important to use a tooth paste which does not contain glycerin, such as the one Victoria suggests. 99% of even natural ones do and this forms a film on your teeth and prevents them remineralising. (The non-glycerin containing ones are generally called 'tooth soaps.') Here is info about it: http://arcanum.ca/2012/04/29/whats-the-problem-with-glycerine-in-toothpaste/

With proper nutrition and oral care, our teeth are capable of healing cavities on their own.

How about vitamin C for the gums & calcium/magnesium/D3/etc. for the teeth?
It may take some time, but BTD should help. This forum is very supportive!

Oh, my dentist says to take zinc with the Cal/Mag. She is the only person I have heard to recommend that. (Make sure your zinc/manganese balance is right.) I also take boron most evenings with my nightly cal/mag/D supplementation. It helps me sleep, too.