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Sahara
Friday, March 30, 2012, 3:47pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I never drank coffee before but have drank some lately due to stress & was wondering if it contains an actual lectin that is bad for Hunters.
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Having coffee on its own on an empty stomach made me realize the effects it has on me and is generally never a good reaction lol! I never notice any bad issues when I consume it with something else. So I guess the effects are there but tampered by the other ingredients I have ingested.

It significantly increases my adrenaline and I sweat, even if the coffee is not very hot. If I go do exercise to get out of the anxious/disoriented mood I run out of energy after 10 minutes. Sometimes it gives me acid stomach. I lose my appetite mostly because of the weird sensations I get.

I guess it confirms Dr. D’s reasons stated related to adrenaline, insulin and acid stomach.

I do not get the same reaction to green tea, except the sweating if the tea is too hot.


Thank You for Ur very detailed observation. Indeed coffee contains other ingredients than caffeine, that makes it even stronger beverage.


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Here's what I don't understand.  If O nonnies don't have the same amount of stomach acid, and in fact their stomach acid is quite low, why is coffee a problem for O nonnies.  I can understand why it is a problem for O secretors, but I don't understand why it is a problem for O nonnies.
Can't see an actual answer to this question...
I am also wondering if decaf coffee would actually be a better alternative to cocoa for me?! I have trouble with histamines and cocoa is listed as a histamine releaser, as well as a substance that blocks the diamine oxidase (DAO) enzyme (along with green tea, black tea and mate tea)
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This might be a good choice of decaf for the coffee drinkers:

http://www.coffeeam.com/bludebrasorc.html

It is organic and uses the 'Swiss method' instead of chemicals to remove the caffeine.
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And, yes, I'd like to know if I can have decaf coffee, even though it is marked avoid on my SWAMI because I checked 'caffeine sensitive'.
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Thanks Adam!!
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You're welcome, Possum.  I'm giving all my coffee supplies, including the decaf I bought, to a co-worker.  I'm done with coffee in all forms.
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You're welcome, Possum.  I'm giving all my coffee supplies, including the decaf I bought, to a co-worker.  I'm done with coffee in all forms.


Guests often ask for coffee. Why not keep it on hand?  


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The June 30 edition of Science News reports the results of a study that suggests that drinking coffee may increase life span.  The effect is stronger in women and for those who drink six or more cups per day.  There's no mention of the effect of cream and / or sugar.  But decaf is just as effective as regular.  Read more:

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/340733/title/Coffee_gives_jolt_to_life_span


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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The reason I'm not going there is because I believe in Individuality, and unless the results are broken down by some marker such as blood type, I don't really care for following "the latest new study".

If it says Coffee increases blood type A's life span, for instance, that might be worth a click. For me, I'm saying.

'Cause it also raises blood pressure, more or less in some people. It also alkalizes the blood, ditto...
For me, it revitalizes, most of the time.


But, thanks for sharing, of course.


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Guests often ask for coffee. Why not keep it on hand?  


Number one, I don't entertain guests.  Number two, they can have whatever I have on hand, which may include water, tea, juice, soy milk, or almond milk.  Why have something tempting around while I'm trying to be 100% compliant?  Would you ask an alcoholic why he doesn't keep some booze around for his guests?  
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Guests often ask for coffee. Why not keep it on hand?  


I keep instant coffee on hand for guests. I still have my 4-cup coffee maker that I bought for myself pre-BTD. I have a type B son for whom coffee is neutral, so I'm keeping the coffee maker around in case he ever uses it someday. It's kept in an out-of-the-way cabinet, though. If my kids were all O's, I would have freecycled the machine.

My coffee grinder is now used for grinding spices and sugar (to make corn-free powdered sugar for birthday cake frosting.)

I don't keep non-instant coffee on hand because it gets stale too quickly- a relatively fresh package of instant coffee is going to taste better than brewed coffee from stale beans! Also, more than half the time, we have guests on Shabbos, when we can't brew fresh coffee but can mix instant with the water I keep hot all of Shabbos. I'd need instant coffee for guests even if I had the supplies for brewing it fresh. And since I don't live alone, my teens invite people over a lot, including several "regulars" who drink coffee.

If I lived alone and didn't entertain much, I'd offer any guests the things I can consume safely, such as green tea.


Ruth, Single Mother to 20 yo  O- Leah , 18 yo O- Hannah, and  13 yo B+ Jack


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Guests often ask for coffee. Why not keep it on hand?  


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Number one, I don't entertain guests.  Number two, they can have whatever I have on hand, which may include water, tea, juice, soy milk, or almond milk.  Why have something tempting around while I'm trying to be 100% compliant?  Would you ask an alcoholic why he doesn't keep some booze around for his guests?  


Adam: Please don't take offense at my question. It was not meant as an enticement to sin or debauchery or illness, I assure you, okay? ruthiegirl explains well, above, that many people who don't drink coffee themselves do keep some around for guests and family. I don't know your family situation.

Ruthie: Re: Your belief that coffee beans go stale, while instant coffee does not: Just keep your beans in the freezer.




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I understand that many forum members don't like "one-size-fits-all" advice or study results.

However, given that studies usually deal with random samples of population, and that there are more blood type O individuals in the population than all other types combined, if a study says that something has a certain effect in most subjects, there's a favorable chance that type O will experience that effect.

Besides, Dr. D might not have considered this effect of coffee in the SWAMI.  Since SWAMI is a "black box" to nearly everyone here, it's important to bring these non-blood-type-specific studies to light.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Can't see an actual answer to this question...
I am also wondering if decaf coffee would actually be a better alternative to cocoa for me?! I have trouble with histamines and cocoa is listed as a histamine releaser, as well as a substance that blocks the diamine oxidase (DAO) enzyme (along with green tea, black tea and mate tea)
Just bumping this question... & adding another one...

I was also looking for the thread where Lola said something to the effect that for some of us O's coffee was actually ok (individuality at work again) Can anyone recall please?
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looking for the thread where Lola said something to the effect that for some of us O's coffee was actually ok


I did????

you do not need my permission to drink coffee......

I can proudly say I weaned my self off it a decade ago!!!


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Well I thought I read something you (or someone) had said re it helping those O's who actually have lower levels of stomach acid?!
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Gatherers, therfore some O's, have coffee as black dot.

Perhaps, as per Swami, some O gatherers can have coffee as neutral or beneficial but I have not read of any.

How about Yerba Mate for you.

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Thanks for the suggestion Susana... Not sure I can get Yerba Mate here though & I do like drinking coffee - especially in our city (which has extremely good coffee & actually more coffee places per head of population than New York even) I feel it is a nice social thing to do - especially as it is already anti social enough not to be able to order regular food...

Having given it up at various times along the way, it does seem to be suiting me after reintroducing it recently & actually seems to help my weight issues, rather than the other way round - hence my curiosity re some O's actually doing ok on it
I don't get reflux, sleep issues (like yesterday I had a coffee right before bed) or any other of the commonly mentioned reactions to coffee - not even withdrawal if I don't have as much... Today I have had just one coffee at 10.30am & am not craving it even though it is 2.30 now
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Individuality, Possum!
I experiment just like you. If we listen to our bodies, we learn.
The 3 most difficult things for me to adjust to on my swami (actually BTD and GTD before that)were these avoids...tomato (my salsa and pasta sauce ), wheat breads in general( artisan boules, croissants, etc.), and black and red peppers.
Over the years I paid attention to how I felt after eating these avoids...and frankly, were they worth it?
Wheat...not worth it; tomato....once in a blue moon.....peppers, never bothered me!
So, I cut way backon my pepper consumption just to be more compliant.
Coffee for you may be as peppers are for me.   


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Cheers - I think you're right Cajun Perhaps coffee is ok then...especially as I don't seem to have as much stomach acid as some O's... (which is what the comment was alluding to, that I thought Lola had made...) Maybe one of my Grandparents was an A?

I typically react so quickly to things & yet don't even seem to react to coffee or even wheat as badly as some Cheese will give me an instant 2lb water retention gain overnight, whereas a slice or two of bread, if I have walked plenty that day is not a problem...

Perfumes/airfresheners & petrol fumes plus additives/preservatives/gums & thickeners will give me way more of a problem & fairly immediately, more than most foods, although soy & cucumbers do give me an instant problem
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Ruthie: Re: Your belief that coffee beans go stale, while instant coffee does not: Just keep your beans in the freezer.
I don't have the freezer space. Nor do I really want to bother with taking down the coffee grinder AND the coffee maker every time we have a  guest- and then I'd have to clean out the coffee grinder before using it to grind sugar for the next birthday cake. It's just not worth the hassle, when I can offer guests instant with the same water I heat up for cocoa and tea.

I know that instant coffee goes stale, so I buy it in small packages every 2 months or so instead of in large packages that last me over a year. I recently threw out a package of instant decaf coffee, because I realized it was a year and a half old and it smelled like stale coffee, not like good coffee.

Possum- you've been on this diet long enough to know how to listen to your body. If coffee doesn't trouble you, then there's no reason for you to abstain!



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I know Ruthie... It's just that so many other issues have clouded things along the way, that it's seriously been incredibly hard to really know what I am/was reacting to at any given time... Especially while working in a highly toxic (to me) environment which thankfully, I am not now!!
You must remember my earlier thread over that time (*blushes*)??!! And then you read so many threads/posts on how O's shouldn't drink coffee (you'd almost think some people forget we are all individuals) I get the impression it's the biggest sin in the BT world (next to deliberately eating avoids) for O's to indulge in coffee...?!
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I literally lost a good friend to coffee

She is German
The morning I decided to go off coffee, she declared war on me!!!

oh well!!!  her loss, not mine....

I am still reaping the benefits


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Lola, how does coffee affect insulin?  Does Dr. D have anything on how it affects insulin on the different blood types?  I am sure genotype plays a role in this too though.

I do not have blood sugar problems, but i am in home health care and some clients of mine are diabetic.  Trying to learn more about diabetes.
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