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Susana
Tuesday, September 6, 2011, 9:40pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Having coffee on its own on an empty stomach made me realize the effects it has on me and is generally never a good reaction lol! I never notice any bad issues when I consume it with something else. So I guess the effects are there but tampered by the other ingredients I have ingested.

It significantly increases my adrenaline and I sweat, even if the coffee is not very hot. If I go do exercise to get out of the anxious/disoriented mood I run out of energy after 10 minutes. Sometimes it gives me acid stomach. I lose my appetite mostly because of the weird sensations I get.

I guess it confirms Dr. D’s reasons stated related to adrenaline, insulin and acid stomach.

I do not get the same reaction to green tea, except the sweating if the tea is too hot.
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balletomane and Ruthie, it was in response to a thread I posted on IAP and non-secretors that C Sharp said that O nonnies would have about the same amount of IAP as that of A secretors.  Maybe I am confusing IAP and stomach acid?


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I have looked through the coffee string to see if I could find the answer to my question to no avail.

In BT values there is no indication of WHY coffee is an avoid for B's.  Does it "flocculates" or "precipitate" something? Ha ha...  

I'm putting together a booklet for my own reference that spells out why particular foods are avoids or beneficial - how they affect my body when I eat them and how I have felt when I have consumed them.  If I feel like getting off track I look at it - at a glance - and know, in my own simple terminology, what its doing to me.  Have to keep in in sight sometimes when the sugar fairy calls.  Makes it easier to explain the diet to others, too.  

So - anyone know the explaination for the "avoid" for B blood type?
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No ideas to the above question as I am an O secretor, but like your reference idea. I shall implement it for myself.

I believe Ruthie mentioned that type O should probably drink decaf green tea. Well...again it comes down to individuality. I can drink green tea before bed and fall asleep...but I gave up black tea years ago. The time to drink black tea before it affected my sleep changed as the years went by...after dinner, 4:00 p.m. and then as early as 2:00 p.m. kept me up.

My husband, O nonnie, will drink coffee for long distance travel only, no stomach acid problems for him ever. He's got a stomach of steel! But...he can't have green tea after 4:00 p.m. or he won't sleep properly.

I may have consumed 30 cups of coffee in my life; I love the smell but not the taste and its effects. I would burp it up and the stomach acid was awful.
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Yes, my fiance is an O and will experience stomach issues, pain with stomach acid.  Me, disturbs sleep, ears ring and seems to make my bladder too active; at least three night runs.  I'm not supposed to drink it - I have to keep my blackstrap molasses, pure cocoa, agave and goat milk handy for those cold winter mornings about to close upon us!  When you are eating to respect your body you have to be prepared! Not always convenient or easy, but keeps me occupied.
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I used to love hot goat milk with blackstrap molasses. Haven't had that in years! It was a powdered goat milk and I'd have it just before bed and sleep like a baby. I should try it with carob and almond milk. When I travel by car I take lots with me. By plane, not as much but I always search the net to know where the health food store are where I will be traveling and ask for specific products. It's alot easier to stay at home!
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Quoted from Dianne
I used to love hot goat milk with blackstrap molasses. Haven't had that in years! It was a powdered goat milk and I'd have it just before bed and sleep like a baby. I should try it with carob and almond milk. When I travel by car I take lots with me. By plane, not as much but I always search the net to know where the health food store are where I will be traveling and ask for specific products. It's alot easier to stay at home!


Powdered goat milk, sounds good I'll look for that.  It's a black dot, so I don't really like to keep the wet stuff around, but a hot cocoa mix really sounds nice.
Chicory is a diamond for me (gatherer) I have it with agave, and a little cream for the mornings.


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Hope I got the quote things in the right place!
Lola, I was familiar with this because I am an O. But I am wondering if this is true for Bs as well. (the bit about cortisol really made me sit up and take notice.) My 82 year old mom tolerates me not letting her have coffee, but gets my brother to make it for her when I'm not around... it (and her other food addictions) are so much of an issue that she basically has told me she doesn't want me staying with her and helping her. She's daibetic AND has a heart condition ($ operations so far...)

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Type O’s avoid caffeine and alcohol. Caffeine can be particularly harmful because of its tendency to raise adrenaline and noradrenaline, which are already high for Type O’s

LR4YT on page 137 it is written that all
    forms of Coffee increase stomach acid production, something most O's don't need too
    much help with, if the stomach is working properly.
about caffeine for type O in LR4YT on page 169-70. The short version is it is not recommended.
coffee raises your adrenaline levels (stress) which can cause a hypoglycemic effect in O's because our adrenaline levels are high (flight or fight) to begin with especially if you do not exercise regularly.
    increased cortisol which increases intra abdominal fat. coffee-elevates cortisol levels which promotes fat storage.

    [quote]mimics insulin resistance hypoglycemia or some sort of blood sugar issue
    Crashing and burning and then...Starting to crave carbohydrates messes w/ the adrenal glands hypertension. Also it causes excess acidity leading to acid reflux.
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I still don't understand why, if O nonnie's have the stomach environment of an A, with less stomach acid rather than more, why some A's can drink coffee but O nonnies cannot.


This O nonnie is an Explorer! It doesn't bother my stomach but it will keep me up at night , and if I drink the fully caffinated stuff I turn into a motor mouth-- it's embarrassing. Bt the main reason I seldom drink it is that I don't like it without cream, and that makes me snotty-- can't do the smallest amount of dairy without feeling it in my respiratory system.
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Meant to say-- being a non-secretor is what makes me an Explorer--otherwise I'd be a Hunter-- and its my explorerness that makes coffee not work for me.
I do drink it 1 or 2 times a month, as a "treat"
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Quoted from Dianne
When I travel by car I take lots with me. By plane, not as much but I always search the net to know where the health food store are where I will be traveling and ask for specific products. It's alot easier to stay at home!


Same here!    I email or call natural food stores in places I will be traveling to and ask them to set aside products or even order them to have ready when I get there.  



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I always learn  when I click on the "coffee" threads!
I had a couple o cups  today .
But I stopped cold turkey last week another long stretch of three or four espresso with plenty o organic 1/2n1/2 routine. For what it's worth I think my reason for trying to cut back now is inflammation. Not severe but pesky. I didn't have any trouble with things like headache and I was surprised that regularity was actually enhanced some. I have indulged mostly with organic fair trade non espresso roasts but I "espress" whatever I can find in a tiny stove top pot. I used a substitute this past week in the same pot. A relative brought me some Chagga to try back in the summer. If it sounds new to you as it was to me it is a fungus found  at the base of some kind of birch trees. Dried up and ground up it works as a tea most any way but for me it was nifty to espress it. I don't sweeten my coffee but I did add a taste o honey to the Chagga oh and still used that organic 1/2 & 1/2 too. Why did I have coffee again today? I ran out of Chagga. I may try green tea this week. Chagga is said to be anti cancer btw but I still need to check on its blood type status. Anyone know about that? I don't think it's listed. I've said this before and I might as well say it again: If you really pay attention I really don't think the wake up effect is all that real when one gets down to it. I don't dispute the stimulant properties of drinking coffee. I do notice magical alertness right out of bed this time just a few days away from the last morning cup of coffee. I really think morning drowsiness in die hard coffee drinkers is just part of the crash syndrome. It's some kind of maintaining the level thing. Death to all harmful Polyamines!
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Quoted from ieatmeatnlikeit
I always learn  when I click on the "coffee" threads!
Death to all harmful Polyamines!
So do I Glad you said death to all *harmful* polyamines, as it is such a balancing act... http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archiveb/config.pl?​read=102573
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I am an A nonnie, Explorer, according to my Swami. I am sensitive to caffeine , so Swami declared my previously bennie coffee, an avoid. Could I switch to de-cafe? That would bypass most of the caffeine , but still supply the acid I may need. Any ideas? Thanks, Nan


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Being an O I can't really comment on that, but if you are going to continue with coffee now & then, I suggest that you drink organic coffee. It will be easier on your liver, too many chemicals otherwise.  
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Good idea Dianne, I will switch to that as I wean myself off. s-l-o-w-l-y!   Don't want the headaches that accompany breaking my addiction!


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Coffee is hard to give up, especially when all those paleo people are enjoying their coffee with chicory root. I want coffee too!
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Quoted from Lola
coffee in Os or other BT/GTs for who it s an avoid, may experience an insulin mimicking effect.

brings on sugar cravings in many as well.....to each their own.....individuality is what we are all in search of here, and Dr D has many biochemical answers

adrenal exertion in others.....etc

find out more using the search window


It did that to me (sugar crash and strong rushes).  Dr. D had a reason why explorers should not drink coffee at all.  I thought because i am an A (it is an A superfood), i could drink it and it didn't matter.  I can't have my cake and eat it too!

Black coffee makes my sugar drop low low, hungry and tingly, and coffee with sugar just gives me a rush.  Also gives me a sour stomach and throat irritation that comes on a few hours later and can eat little without getting acid reflux activity.

I am not touching it any more, only small amounts of teas right for my gt.  O's and non O explorers should prob stay away from the stuff altogether.

I drank it last on wed. black with nothing, and felt tingly and hungry for awhile.  I am not drinking it again, i broke the cravings, it only took me a few days.  It is free and there all day where i work, but so are teas.  And most importantly, water!

It really shocked me when i drank it black and felt the way i did, it revealed a lot.
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I don't sweeten my coffee but I did add a taste o honey to the Chagga oh and still used that organic 1/2 & 1/2 too.
I make my morning "coffee" from 2 Chaga capsules, 3 Maitake, 2 Reishi, and sometimes add Lion's Mane.

And my afternoon/evening "coffee" from 1 Chaga, 3 Maitake, and 2-3 Dragon Herbs' "Four Kings". This last one is made of 4 main mushrooms extracts, Reishi, Maitake, Agaricus, and Cordyceps. It is very aromatic, very nice - and very strong...  

This is where I buy: JHS Mushroom Science, Dragon Herbs' Four Kings


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Meant to say-- being a non-secretor is what makes me an Explorer--otherwise I'd be a Hunter-- and its my explorerness that makes coffee not work for me.
I do drink it 1 or 2 times a month, as a "treat"


Sorry to interrupt the discussion on coffee temporarily--but being an O non-secretor doesn't automatically make one an Explorer. I am an O nonnie and a Hunter, although I am very close to being an Explorer as well. Just wanted to clear things up a little. Please go on with your coffee discussion  


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Heya Yaeli, Nice blending of the extracts and powders! Thanks for the source link!
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balletomane, sorry to seem to imply that all O non-secretors are Explorers-- not my intent.

With my measurements, RH factor, etc (if you look at the charts in the back of the GT book), secretor status is the critical factor for me-- secretors with my measurements are Hunters. Non-secretors with my measurements are Explorers.
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I see, Bekki. Thanks for the clarification!


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And in fact if I remember correctly it's different by gender as well-- men with my measurements etc are Hunters or something. (finger length I think).
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