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Easy E
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Quoted from Kim

My Mom is an O and she won't give up coffee.  She has lots of stomach acid issues.  Of course she is taking all kinds of medications that are making it worse, but I can't reason with her at all.  My brothers who are managing her care, buy into all the big pharma decisions that her doctors make so I have no  influence there either.  


That happens to many people.  It definately happens to me and i am A.  I love the stuff, but it is a love of poision to me!

As is said, there are exceptions to every rule.  The stomach acid and blood type correlation are high, but not a 1 to 1 correlation.  There must be some O's that would benefit from coffee i would think...prob gatherers.  
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ABJoe,
I, for one, know I am not alone on this forum in thanking you for all the experience and knowledge you bring! You were one of the first to be patient and help with my silly questions when I first started. I listened and learned from your welcome advice!
Keep it coming!


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ABJoe,
I, for one, know I am not alone on this forum in thanking you for all the experience and knowledge you bring! You were one of the first to be patient and help with my silly questions when I first started. I listened and learned from your welcome advice!
Keep it coming!

Thanks...  I realize that I am sometimes terse and don't find all of the information at once, but my skin isn't so thin that I'll let one comment shake me away...  I've gotten so much help here that I feel that I have to give back and most appreciate it.


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ABJoe,
I welcome all your knowledge to!!!.  


"Let food be thy medicine"

Dr. D has said many times that it's not about what you don't eat but what you do eat that makes the difference.  "Quoted by Jane"
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Not only your knowledge, ABJoe, but your patience as well . Could you send me some of that?


It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.
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Can someone please answer my question? The last response was more someone showing off than being helpful.
How can you say that?

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Patty H
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Quoted from Goldie
Patty .. have you read the books? that is important.. there is much info to put together..

O's have enough stomach acid for what is good for us.. A's have enough stomach acid for what is good for them..

O's are not meant to drink charcoal for breakfast, and A's are not meant to brush their teeth with meat sauce..

having some fun here, so you can see what I mean..  

THE food that are good for O's is in any of the books.. Whether YOU or I are able to change from one day to the other is NOT the issue.. you may want to keep drinking coffee, while, A's might want to continue to eat meat - for a while.. YES we all have our threshold of what we are willing to give up or when.. I am not certain that giving it up is one issue, not understanding why is a much bigger one..

NOT wanting to follow blindly and give up all sorts of foods for a time is important, but understanding WHY is a different discussion.. O's have indeed enough stomach acid.. they don't need to have any more, and coffee has little to do with that, other then activating all sorts of body issues that are basically not good for us.

You could ask the same QUESTION about any beans.. certain ones we just don't do well with.. and that is basically all we normal humans need to consider and then IF WE CHOOSE to eat or drink something not good for us, then we don't need to do anything other then accept our selves for whatever follows..

Some add sugars when they have Coffee, strong and ready to go on Monday morning to take apart the world and start putting it back together every day.. while others, learn to get up and smell the flowers along the way.  The REASONS of why what and so on is of no importance.. The tycoons say they need to do what they do, while eventually they get sick and make room for another behind him or her...

Knowing that coffee is not good because it interferes with your development of many body fluids starting in the throat, down the hatch, then the gallbladder needing to respond, then the liver needing to dump stuff to neutralize it, the pancreas having to do extra work..never mind all the processes that are needed to get the stuff poured out of you and keep you going, all the wile the brain nerve centers are busy directing traffic while trying to balance the stuff that is 'poisoning' your mind and body function..  Every gland gets involved trying to process what we put into it, every cell that is preoccupied with foods that are not good for them, need to expend much more energy in defense of short term thinking and acting on it.  I know becasue with diabetes you can see what sugars do to the body in near record time - every time!

Thinking about EACH food, or drink item -- ice cream, coffee ice cream - I can make all sort of excuses for having it, but in the end I need to decide how sick I wish to be, for its sugar, fat, flavor triggering my addiction, its acid, its slowing my digestion for the other ingredients in coffee, the roasted parts, and so on.. I have to accept that I will never know what harm it does.. but I do know it will .. so it is with coffee lattee or any name we give it..

All the reasons of why we should not have it are spelled out in all the books.. It pays to read all the front pages and all the other pages and always the O pages as they tell you why we O's are quick tempered, quick to pic up new habits, slow giving them up and forever doing battle with our own health..

That is indeed the answer to your question, or I could have said.. it is the opposite .. we have more then enough acid.. but that is a minute part of the story.. patience is one such item affecting us big time, time to learn is another.. give your self time.. the results of feeling better one food at a time, will show and tell more then all the words..  

By the way there where many of the same questions already posted and answered on the use of coffee, you might have seen them in search.. and seen how hard it is for everyone to get it that coffee is a bean roasted and charred, to which we add all sorts of stuff to make it delish, and wash down that desserts so that we can feel - spell it backward .. stressed..    


Goldie, I have read all the books, some more than once.  In fact, the only one I don't own is Dr. D's book on cancer because I don't know anyone who has cancer.

That being said, as I stated in my earlier post, my cholesterol and blood sugar were better when I was drinking coffee.  I never had stomach acid issues.  O non-secretors have less IAP.  I still don't understand why, if O nonnie's have the stomach environment of an A, with less stomach acid rather than more, why some A's can drink coffee but O nonnies cannot.  I think it is a valid question and would love an answer to that specific issue.  I think it was Mickey who said it is an individual thing and I appreciate that, but I would love for someone with knowledge of nonnies to chime in, if possible.


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Quoted from Gina
Why is coffee on type O avoid list? I know I need to avoid it, but what is the reasoning behind it??? Please advise.


Gina, the short answer is that O's have a highly acidic stomach environment as it is.  Coffee adds more acid to the stomach and makes the stomach environment even more acidic.  It is also why other acidic foods are avoids, such as vinegars, pickles, etc.  Too much acid for an already acidic environment.  I hope this answers your question to your satisfaction  


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Patty,
Wish I could answer your question about coffee.  I think that considering all your concerns and the test results, a call to Dr. Nash might be in order to address specific concerns about coffee and about your cholesterol and C Reactive protein test results. Please don't "throw the baby out with the bath water".  Get some answers from those in the know.
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There are exceptions to each rule.  I am A and have plenty of stomach acid.  Coffee is the last thing my stomach needs!  There must be Os w lower acid i would think too.  If it works for you, then it works!!  
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Quoted from Easy E
There are exceptions to each rule.  I am A and have plenty of stomach acid.  Coffee is the last thing my stomach needs!  There must be Os w lower acid i would think too.  If it works for you, then it works!!  


And all A's are different too.  I have very little stomach acid.  Coffee does not affect me at all and is actually listed as a beneficial on my swami.  
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Easy E and Kim,

You two are right. Its all about individuality.

Just look at Easy...an A explorer with alot of stomach acid.
            
Kim...an A explorer with little stomach acid.

I am an A teacher/explorer somewhere in the middle with the stomach acid but I enjoy coffee maybe 2 or 3 times a week yet always eat something with it! ...no problem. Its a bene on my swami, also.


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And all A's are different too.  I have very little stomach acid.  Coffee does not affect me at all and is actually listed as a beneficial on my swami.  


I envy you that coffee is a beneficial!   I miss it terribly.  


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Fortunately, coffee is nothing I had to give up as it never sat well with me anyway.  I'm pretty sensitive to caffeine, anything that mimics caffeine and, well, sensitive to a whole bunch of stuff...  I'm hoping my Geno book & secretor kit arrive soon, so I can learn more & hopefully feel some benefits.


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Quoted from Gina
Can someone please answer my question? The last response was more someone showing off than being helpful. I am type O. Why is coffee a no no but green tea is a beneficial???


Gina...he wasn't showing off...he was just quoting the Blood Type Encyclopedia that Dr. D has written.  

Thank you ABJoe for being helpful.

Debra

P.S.  And the main reason I got off coffee...migraines.  



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I envy you that coffee is a beneficial!   I miss it terribly.  


Me too.  I've been off it for awhile now (had some on vacation tho!) and now when I wake up in the am I think, "oh, yay! another cup of yerba mate (or green tea) awaits me!"  Might as well go back to sleep.

I haven't noticed much difference being off it.  Thought it was making me jittery for awhile but that turned out to be too much thyroid meds.
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I've been off coffee now for about a month, with a small relapse of a few days in the middle of that.  But, this morning, while sipping my Mr. Itaru's Green Tea from Dr. D's web store, I was loving the fact that as I drink it, I know that I'm drinking something that is in there fighting cancer and heart disease.  I make it real quickly using a plunger pot.  Opened a new pack this morning and it is just wonderful stuff.
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Patty H,
I know the feeling.
I watch my DH eat sweet potatoes ( my fave!) or peppers and my mouth waters!


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yeah, I've gotten off coffee but want something rich but with the gentle kick of yerba mate', but richer so I can add cream to it...... I miss the decadence of that.
Tomorrow I will try morning thunder (bl. tea and yerba m) with cream.........
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yeah, I've gotten off coffee but want something rich but with the gentle kick of yerba mate', but richer so I can add cream to it...... I miss the decadence of that


Dandelion 'coffee' is perfect with a lil dash of cream  

Look out for the one that does not have additives like lactose, most contain some chicory though.
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I feel as an A it gives me immune benefits.  I think this is a reason i keep drinking it.

I drink mine black with sugar or honey, i keep it pretty simple!
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Tomorrow I will try morning thunder (bl. tea and yerba m) with cream.........

Jayneeo,
I'm sorry if i have asked this before, where do you buy this in San Jose?.

Thanks!
Mickey


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Quoted from Gina
Can someone please answer my question? The last response was more someone showing off than being helpful. I am type O. Why is coffee a no no but green tea is a beneficial???


It's not about the caffeine. Coffee has other stuff in it that's bad for us- it causes us to produce more insulin, for example, which then makes it harder for us to keep our blood sugar stable. There may be other problems with coffee as well.

Meanwhile, green tea has all kinds of antioxidants and other properties that are very healthy for us. Caffeine-sensitive individuals would need to drink decaffinated green tea, or lose out on green tea's beneficial properties.

A better question, really, is why black tea is an avoid while green tea is beneficial. The answer is that there's something in the process of turning green tea leaves into black tea leaves that creates harmful substances and weakens the beneficial aspects of tea.


Ruth, Single Mother to 20 yo  O- Leah , 18 yo O- Hannah, and  13 yo B+ Jack


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O non-secretors have less IAP.  I still don't understand why, if O nonnie's have the stomach environment of an A, with less stomach acid rather than more, why some A's can drink coffee but O nonnies cannot.  


Patty, where did you get the information that O nonnies have the stomach environment of an A? I'm just curious, because I'm an O nonnie and I definitely have way more stomach acid than my DH, who is an A nonnie. From what I have read, I deduct that even those who have a relatively lower level of stomach acid among the Type O's would have a higher level of it than any Type A's.




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O nonnies may have less stomach acid than O secretors, but we still have way more than A secretors! I'm pretty sure that, in order of most stomach acid to least, it  goes: O sec, O non, B sec, B non, AB sec, AB non, A sec, A non.

Of  course, that's just the general rule and there are plenty of individual exceptions.


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