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aussielady582
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This is an interesting topic to keep looking into.  For me with Aboriginal and Greek ancestory, I don't eat coconut products much (I used to though).  In Dr D's book, Cardiovascular Disease, coconut oil is good for type O nonnies.  For me, I may use it on occasion, but I prefer to use ghee, or duck fat as my aboriginal ancestors would have done.  I was born in Tasmania, and no coconuts down there! With my gut in poor condition (Dr Dr is right about grains, sugars, and starches), yes, the oil in small quantities ok as antibacterial and antifungal properties.  I still use garlic, lemon juice, fresh and dried herbs and spices to help in my gut and now have taken out seed-like grains too as in Dr Cordain's book,
'The Paleo Answer' - low starch veggies are much better in my system.  and of course, freshly cooked broths from beef bones and chicken/duck bones.  The inflammation in my system is slowly disappearing, as my sleep is better, my hair smoother and softer, headaches/migraines better, skin softer, feel better when wake up in morning.  I had chicken/duck bone soup with veggies last weekend and wow, my system worked so well and so much energy yesterday too - I felt like a 'true hunter' able to go walkabout and get so much done during the day.  Plus relaxed in bathtub, abdominal massage all helps.
Now happily grain, sugar, starch free!!  this means no carob or chocolate or cocoa. I make something sweet out of nuts/seeds/nut butters, but less and less often as fruit is so good, esp now in Aussie summer.  I believe Dr Gabriel Cousen's piece from his web site on starchaholics, so now guess I am a recovering starchalcholic, and learning to deal with life much more positively.
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Quoted from aussielady582
This is an interesting topic to keep looking into.  For me with Aboriginal and Greek ancestory, I don't eat coconut products much (I used to though).  In Dr D's book, Cardiovascular Disease, coconut oil is good for type O nonnies.  For me, I may use it on occasion, but I prefer to use ghee, or duck fat as my aboriginal ancestors would have done.  I was born in Tasmania, and no coconuts down there! With my gut in poor condition (Dr Dr is right about grains, sugars, and starches), yes, the oil in small quantities ok as antibacterial and antifungal properties.  I still use garlic, lemon juice, fresh and dried herbs and spices to help in my gut and now have taken out seed-like grains too as in Dr Cordain's book,
'The Paleo Answer' - low starch veggies are much better in my system.  and of course, freshly cooked broths from beef bones and chicken/duck bones.  The inflammation in my system is slowly disappearing, as my sleep is better, my hair smoother and softer, headaches/migraines better, skin softer, feel better when wake up in morning.  I had chicken/duck bone soup with veggies last weekend and wow, my system worked so well and so much energy yesterday too - I felt like a 'true hunter' able to go walkabout and get so much done during the day.  Plus relaxed in bathtub, abdominal massage all helps.
Now happily grain, sugar, starch free!!  this means no carob or chocolate or cocoa. I make something sweet out of nuts/seeds/nut butters, but less and less often as fruit is so good, esp now in Aussie summer.  I believe Dr Gabriel Cousen's piece from his web site on starchaholics, so now guess I am a recovering starchalcholic, and learning to deal with life much more positively.


So glad you are doing well It is nice to hear positive things on the forum!! as well as all the issues and concerns. YAY!!!
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Oh well, I haven't been on here for a while and in the meanwhile there is a new SWAMI kit which sounds great.

I live in the UK and use an Apple Mac.  I have two questions for users i would really appreciate an answer to.
1)  I am an O (and really getting into Coconut oil, hence the return to this site)
2)  I never established my secretor type
3)  If I buy the SWAMI software will it be important to know my secretor type
4)  Does the software update naturally and without further cost?


Many thanks for any help in this matter.
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Oh well, I haven't been on here for a while and in the meanwhile there is a new SWAMI kit which sounds great.

I live in the UK and use an Apple Mac.  I have two questions for users i would really appreciate an answer to.
1)  I am an O (and really getting into Coconut oil, hence the return to this site)
2)  I never established my secretor type
3)  If I buy the SWAMI software will it be important to know my secretor type
4)  Does the software update naturally and without further cost?


Many thanks for any help in this matter.


3) secretor type is not needed but is something you should plan on determining. Especially if you want coconut oil.
4) It has to this point and for the foreseeable future, but there are no guarantees.

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Been buying this for years!  It's fantastic.  I don't even THINK about coconut oil since it's a complete avoid for me....
even though that is hard as now all mfg's are putting into anything considered a health food item.  

http://www.amazon.com/Californ.....ywords=rice+bran+oil

I keep 3 kinds of oils on hand:

Rice Bran Oil for high heat cooking
Olive Oil for low heat cooking
Walnut Oil for my salad dressings and adding to protein shakes
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Interesting because coconut oil is a superfood on my Swami.  So not bad for all O's.  I was thrilled to see that, as I have a few gallons of it laying around!

Just wondering what makes it good for O nonnie Hunters.....?


Glad I read that. Guess I have to break down & buy the swami book. Or is there a type food type base resource for that..?

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IG and TU,

until you guys run a swami and find out more about your individuality, like secretor status, variables, health history will you know if right or better avoid.

does epigenotoxic ring a bell?

other biochemical explanation you might get  as well, so here s a quote by Dr D for those skeptical:
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Some people don't do as well as others running a soap through their bile ducts."


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Glad I read that. Guess I have to break down & buy the swami book. Or is there a type food type base resource for that..?



SWAMI is a  computer program that computes a personalized diet after you give it some information about yourself: the measurements used to determine genotype plus some family and personal health history. SWAMI will compute a slightly different diet for each person. It costs about $70, and if you want one for each family member, you need to buy separate ones for each person. After you've run the SWAMI report, you can save the information on a PDF file to print out and/or view on your computer.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Pleased to find this site.  When I first read the Type O book in 1999, I cried.  Everything I read seemed to be the story of my life.  My body was “ravaged” by arthritis to the point I had been wearing wrist braces every night for years because of the joint pain and so many other stories I could share.  Over a short period of time, I lost 15 pounds (bringing me down to 130#) and within three weeks, I no longer needed to wear the wrist braces and my successes continued.

Fast-forward 15 years and some laziness, I am up to 160# although I no longer have the joint pain as I still stay away from wheat, etc.  It’s time to get back in shape!

Last year, my thyroid hit rock bottom and I’m now on Synthroid and well-stabilized.  Certain foods cannot be eaten within a certain time-frame or at all with this medication.  Since Type O’s can’t have almond, soy, dairy milk…I used coconut milk for morning smoothies.  Now, I see that’s a no-no.  This may be the reason why all of a sudden my abdomen seems to always be swollen and some other new issues.

Let the reading begin.  Time to re-train and re-think all of this to live a healthier life.

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Are you sure about the Almond Milk? Both my books are out but I seem to remember it being a superfood, or at least neutral. Soy and dairy are out.

welcome back by the way.  

looked it up on food base. (pull down tab, on support, blue bar top of page)  Almond milk is listed a neutral for sec and avoid for non-sec.

It is a diamond, super for me with my swami


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From Dr. D

Why Can’t I Eat Coconut?

QUESTION: Is the avoid status of Coconut Oil for Type O Secretors (and other types for that matter) based on the high saturated fat content or the existence of a harmful lectin remaining in oil? I just wanted to get this cleared up because some reports say coconut is healthy for you, and some say it’s not. All of this debate is driving me just a little batty!

ANSWER: Although palm and coconut oil do not contain cholesterol, they are very high in saturated fat; because of this it is probable that they accelerate the cholesterol-raising properties of other foods that do contain cholesterol -a potential problem if you are type O and are using animal protein as a basis of your diet.

Saturated fat will increase serum cholesterol even if there is no cholesterol in the diet (as in a vegan diet). Most of the cholesterol in the blood is not cholesterol that has come from the diet, but rather is cholesterol which has been synthesized by the body. Evidence suggests that saturated fat has this effect because it causes a reduction in the rate that liver cells synthesize LDL receptors, which are molecules responsible for removal of cholesterol from the blood. Thus, a vegan diet that was high in coconut oil would be expected to significantly elevate serum cholesterol relative to a vegan diet without the coconut oil – a potential problem if you are type A (already with a genetic proclivity to elevated cholesterol) and are using a low fat strategy as a basis for your diet.

The Blood Type/Lectin Argument:

Lauric acid has a reputation of possessing anti-viral activity, and had been studied against vesicular stomatitis virus, arenavirus and a few others. However virtually all studies have been in-vitro, using concentrations which if taken by mouth would certainly produce massive digestive upset. For this reason it has been used by many individuals with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, though no studies exist that support the use of lauric acid against Epstein Barr virus or Herpes virus.

The same basis by which lauric acid gains anti-viral activity is also the mechanism by which it may promote additional sensitivity to dietary lectins. This phenomenon is called ‘receptor capping.’ In essence, similar charges tend to keep cell surface receptors (like the blood group antigens) uniformly spaced apart from each other. Since lauryl acyl chains act as a type of emollient/detergent on the cell wall (which is why they put it in soaps) they can disrupt the surface tension of the cell surface, thereby causing cell antigens to aggregate, potentially disrupting many cell-to-cell functions.



My advice: Keep the lauric acid in your soaps and shampoos and the coconut oil in your moisturizers.


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Each person is different. There are differences between the same blood groups, if you break them down further. The more proinflammatory a person's physiology tends to be the more you want to limit dietary  myristic acid (coconut: 18%) and palmitic acid (coconut: 8%) especially if the person is overweight, has osteoporosis, has dysbiosis, or is prone to diabetes or arterial disease, since these acids activate the P2X7 receptors which are major regulators of inflammation.


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Thank you Dr D. Personally I just take your word for it. But this small simple straight to the point answer will be there to repost everytime this is brought up. Yes I'm and O need to work on this personality issue.  


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Quoted from Dr. D
Each person is different. There are differences between the same blood groups, if you break them down further. The more proinflammatory a person's physiology tends to be the more you want to limit dietary  myristic acid (coconut: 18%) and palmitic acid (coconut: 8%) especially if the person is overweight, has osteoporosis, has dysbiosis, or is prone to diabetes or arterial disease, since these acids activate the P2X7 receptors which are major regulators of inflammation.


What about a family history of Alzheimer's?  It is my understanding that coconut oil can help with this.


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What about a family history of Alzheimer's?  It is my understanding that coconut oil can help with this.


There must be a difference between coconut oil and the rest of the fruit, as some of us do get it (the oil) as a superfood.  Would love to know more, as it is really touted out there as extremely beneficial for everyone!
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Coconut has fructose/fructans, supposedly, and can seriously irritate the gut. I know I can't handle it at all, but am not sensitive to coconut oil (though I don't really care for it and am probably not an O nonnie).




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If not being ingested, but only used in toothpaste or for oil pulling, is it okay for O Sec?

Also, playing devil's advocate  :
re: how the oil may accelerate the cholesterol-raising properties of other foods that contain cholesterol.....if one is following BTD, GTD or the Swami's VERY closely.....would occasional coconut hurt them?



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I must be a non sec because I dont feel good when i have used almond milk in the past ....
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Are you sure about the Almond Milk? Both my books are out but I seem to remember it being a superfood, or at least neutral. Soy and dairy are out.

welcome back by the way.  

looked it up on food base. (pull down tab, on support, blue bar top of page)  Almond milk is listed a neutral for sec and avoid for non-sec.

It is a diamond, super for me with my swami



This information kinda give me a way to tell

I must be a non sec because I don't feel good when i have used almond milk in the past ..
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I must be a non sec because I dont feel good when i have used almond milk in the past ....


This information kinda give me a way to tell

I must be a non sec because I don't feel good when i have used almond milk in the past ..


Maybe, or maybe you are just sensitive to something (added) in the store bought milk.

Better to get tested,
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What about a family history of Alzheimer's?  It is my understanding that coconut oil can help with this.


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