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thatoneguyonline
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Hello!  My name is Matt, I'm 26 and live in Indianapolis.  I've been vegetarian for about 6 years (vegan for 3).  I have a YouTube Channel where I'm known for posting vegan / raw food recipes and doing cleanses / fasts etc.  I recently ate raw vegan for 30 days and during that time I got to the point where I started being honest with myself and realized how much I miss meat... and no it wasn't "detox" lol.  I've always craved meat since going veg back in 2005, eating raw just intensified it.

I've become interested in the blood type diet and have discovered that my blood type is O+.  I was shocked to see that the recommended diet is a hunter-gatherer diet and am trying to decide if I want to try it.  After 3 years of being vegan I'm still overweight / sluggish with no energy (I also have psoriasis) and grain being the problem is a completely new concept to me.  It makes sense though as our paleolithic ancestors didn't eat grain.

Has anyone or do you know of anyone who has successfully gone from vegan to the blood type O diet with good results (weight loss, feeling better, more energy etc)?  The main reason I went veg was to avoid heart disease and cancer that runs in my family.  I was told by PETA and books etc that meat is the thing to avoid - so again, the grain theory is lingering in the back of my head.

If I were to do the blood type diet I would go totally paleo and just stick with lean meat, non-starchy vegetables and fruit that doesn't agglutinate type O blood.  There would be no dairy (which I'm already used to), gluten / grain or beans / legumes which is what Dr. D'Adamo recommends, right?  I'm still in the process of reading the book... so sorry about the newbie questions lol.  I'm also interested in the paleo diet, but I like that the blood type diet lists beneficial, neutral and avoid food depending on how it effects type O blood whereas the paleo diet says everybody should eat how the first hunter-gatherers ate.

So, basically, I want to know:

Has any type O vegans switched to the blood type diet with good results?
If I strictly follow the type O recommendations would that be considered eating paleo?

I'm thinking about trying it out for 30 days and documenting it on YouTube... I document everything on YouTube lol.  I keep thinking that I should call it The Blood Type O Paleo Diet or say that I eat the blood type O diet paleo style.  Most paleo diet people, from what I can tell so far, don't believe in the blood type diet.  I know Dr. Cordain says Dr. D'Adamo has the history wrong, like type A was actually the first blood type etc.  I don't really care about the history... I care about how food effects blood (like the grain thing).

Anyway, I figure when asked why I don't eat certain things I could use the blood type answer first (it agglutinates blood) and the paleo answer second (because our paleolithic anccestors didn't eat it).  I could also expose more paleo people to the blood type diet when they do YouTube seaches.  I don't know... these are just thoughts at the moment.

Anyway, that's my introduction.  I'm vegan and thinking about switching to the blood type O diet (paleo style) and need to know why I should and if anyone else has.  I'm not 100% convinced that I should switch, but I'm also not 100% happy with being vegan.

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Wow! Welcome  and yes we have a few that have moved from vegan to O diet.
  

Go slow and you will see the changes, grassfed meat... might want to start with bone broth.


The others will be along soon.


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"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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Wow! Welcome  and yes we have a few that have moved from vegan to O diet.

Great!  I hope to hear from them.

Indianapolis has a few health food stores that offer free range / grass fed meat.  I'm a regular at a store (Nature's Pharm) right down the street from where I work and we have a Whole Foods about 30 minutes from where I live.

I've vegan mostly for health, but the ethics / animal cruelty part has grown on me.  I know buying local / free range meat helps fight against factory farms... but I'm still not sure I can bring myself to eating it.

That's why I'm here...

I want to make a decision by September first.
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Hi Matt,  my name is Patty.  I was not, nor have I ever been a vegan or vegetarian, but I specifically chose the BTD because I have severe heart disease in my family.  In fact, I am the youngest of four.  My siblings are 65 - brother type O, almost 64 - brother type A, and 60 - sister type A.  I am 53, almost 54.  I am the only one of my family who has not had bypass surgery.  My two type A siblings both had heart attacks and went into cardiac arrest.  My A brother had a heart attack at 53 and my sister was 59.  All of my male cousins on my dad's side of the family have heart disease.  My father and his siblings all died of heart disease between the ages of 43 and 65.  I would say that I have pretty severe heart disease in my family and my doctor coins it as a VERY SIGNIFICANT family history.

When I went for my annual physical in September 2010 (before my sister's heart attack) my BP was up, my CRP-Cardio was in the high risk range and my cholesterol was up.  I am not overweight.  I am 5'2" and weigh about 110.  In September I was ten pounds heavier, but still not considered overweight, so it was not being overweight that was driving my bad test results.  It was my family history.

I started the diet in mid-October 2010 and specifically chose the BTD because it reduces inflammation in the body.  Inflammation can lead to heart disease, if one is pre-disposed.

I am feeling much better, I have more energy, I am exercising, I lost ten pounds and can probably only lose a pound or two if that, and my blood pressure is much better.  I get my blood tests done again this fall and am hoping for better results.  People comment all the time on how great I look.

Dr. D'Adamo says that O's pathway to heart disease is through carbohydrate intolerance.  Dairy and sugar are bad too!

I don't have cancer in my family, but I know that Dr. D has a lot of specific information about cancer.  His mom died of cancer, so it seems to be a subject near and dear to his heart.

Best of luck with your journey.  Introduce the meat slowly.  I recommend you start with fish.  In fact, I eat more fish than meat because of my family heart disease and it works great for me!


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Wow, Patty, that's amazing!  Really great to hear!

Thanks for the link Andrea!  I'll take a look at that.
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Hey, Oneguy! Welcome! I went from 26 yrs of vegetarianism (never vegan) to BTD for type O! Trust me ....it was the best health move I ever made!   I, and so many others, have restored our health by eating for our blood type.....your body is crying for animal protein. Yes, I too, became senstive to the killing involved in meat-eating, but I couldn't deny the results. If our bodies are made to do best on meat,, who am I to say it is wrong? (Still, one wishes meat grew on trees!)
I like the paleo style of eating, too! I am currently grain and legume free. I have cured myself of chronic asthma. There's tons of posts on this subject in the archives. Oh, and I started by using digestive enzymes to help me acclimate to meat....don't need em anymore.
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I'm not a type O, but I follow a combination of genotype diet (swami) and paleo.  Eliminating all grains has been the best dietary choice I've ever made  No way you could make me go back!


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Hey, Oneguy! Welcome! I went from 26 yrs of vegetarianism (never vegan) to BTD for type O! Trust me ....it was the best health move I ever made!

Wow!  That's amazing!

See, that's why I'm here.  I need to hear success stories to actually get me to do this.  Right now I'm still "pure" and very nervous about changing.

I wish I would have heard about the blood type diet in 1996... although I was only 11 back then lol.

Quoted from brinyskysail
Eliminating all grains has been the best dietary choice I've ever made  No way you could make me go back!

Good to know, thanks!
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Ooh, a neighbor! Welcome! I am also in Indiana.

As a B Nomad, I have to eat meat as well. I was vegan for a good 7 years and ate a lot of soy. I had allergies and health issues that did not resolve as a result. I notice that I crave meat/liver when my immune system is at a low point. If you are in relatively good health, you may be able to keep the veganism going. I know there is a Vegan O type who posts here. You may want to get in touch with him.


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Hi Matt,

I was vegan for 5 years. Mostly for ethical reasons. I had an experience one day of touching a raw  chicken breast and my mind made me think I was handling raw human skin. I freaked out. Ever since then I couldn't touch or even eat meat!

But in 2010, my body began to break down and I just wasn't feeling well. I had weird latent cravings for seafood. I kept thinking I was hallucinating or something    Haha

As a kid, I was raised strictly on fish and seafood.

My first animal protein experience was shrimp. And I could barely bring myself to touch the little shrimp bodies. It was not easy at all and a horrible experience.

I used to go to animal rights demonstrations! I really thought I was losing my sanity. I even had nightmares of killing animals as I began to eat animal protein again. Yeah, not easy at all.

But slowly I started eating fish again. I began to feel much better day by day. Got rid of the soy too! Nasty stuff for O's.

Anyway, everyone has their own unique experience. I can say I have WAY more energy now and my grey hairs are stopping from growing. My weight has dropped too. Woohoo!

I still have issues eating animal protein but I try to think of other things so I don't get freaked out again.

Good luck with your experience! Keep us informed.
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passionprincess, Wow!  7 years of vegan to meat... that's incredible.  I crave meat almost every time I'm hungry, lol.  I've pretty much have had it (physically), but could keep it going as I've though about trying to do vegan blood type o / paleo (oxymoron?).  Yes, I would love to get in touch with that person.

Sooks, wow what a story!  So glad to hear about the energy (that's my problem).
That definitely helps me in wanting to experiment.
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One way of looking at it...if you're not getting results with your current diet, what have you got to lose?  Since it is basically the complete opposite of what you are eating now, I'm sure it would be a big adjustment, but it would be worth it if you get results (which I think you would )


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Good point.  The only thing is veganism is more than about diet.  My ethics play a role in it too and I have to get over the idea that eating meat = bad.  I know it sounds weird, but that's what I've drilled into my head for the past 6 years.
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My ethics play a role in it too and I have to get over the idea that eating meat = bad.  I know it sounds weird, but that's what I've drilled into my head for the past 6 years.


Yes, I still have an issue with it. Not sure if it will ever go away!

I still will never eat lamb or veal, for example. That's totally not in my "reality box".

There's still guilt associated with eating animal protein in general for me. It's hard but the alternative is that I feel crappy physically.

In the end, my human interest wins. Selfish? Maybe. It's a trade-off of sorts.

Like I said, I just think of other things while I eat it so I don't end up freaking out again.  
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Good point.  The only thing is veganism is more than about diet.  My ethics play a role in it too and I have to get over the idea that eating meat = bad.  I know it sounds weird, but that's what I've drilled into my head for the past 6 years.


I understand, but as Sooks pointed out, if it comes down to feeling bad about consuming meat or feeling bad physically, you need to decide which is personally more offensive for you.


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I have embarked on a vegan BTD inasmuch as that is possible while eliminating animal products.
I personally would encourage this step first, to see if any differences could be noticed, with correcting your grains and legumes, etc. intake. If in fact you do notice some difference. Then it would be up to you to pursue your experiment as you see fit. The reasoning behind this suggestion would be to rule out the fact that you explain you have cravings for meat. Therefore if you jump in with both feet and consume animal products as well, how would you be sure that it wasn't the the cessation of the psychological craving of meat, and not the actual diet and it's chemical benefits with your system?
I'm not here to tell you what to do or judge you choices, but to me it make for better science to approach the experiment from this course.

This is my approach at the moment. I have no cravings for meat, nor are my ends based on eventually eating meat. I'll leave that alone for the moment and see what I can see.
If you take this approach let me know. I would love to compare notes.
One again I'm a vegan for 5 years, but I'm not here to judge you or anyone, as I allow everyone to make their own choices base on what ever they wish.
PS either way I'd love to hear about your journey.


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Here's my experience, for what it is worth.  I was raised a meat eater and always loved meat.  I have a degree from Cornell U. in Animal Science and was and am very knowledgeable about the "animal production industries".  However, about 10 years ago I decided, for ethical reasons, to go Vegan.  I was a very strict Vegan for nearly a year.  And, I might add, I tried very hard, as a Vegan to stay away from processed starches as my main food.  Within 60 days, I had gained 30 pounds, was suffering from hot flashes (was eating soy - something I can not eat at all, even though I love it) and was afflicted with hideous chronic fatigue.  I could barely make it through my days.  As a professional former pro athlete with good workout habits, I was working out as much as ever, but could not stop the weight gain.  I was sick and miserable....my body was rebelling. I only had one little benefit....my cholesterol, which had always lived at 220, dropped to 189.  Truthfully, I couldn't be happy about it....I was getting depressed from how rotten I felt.

I craved meat day in and day out.  I told myself that the meat that I looked at in the grocery case was the result of hideous animal suffering and conjured up all PETA videos in my head to stop the craving.  It didn't stop.  I, literally, like Pavlov's dog, would start to salivate at the sight of raw beef.  It was really hard and really a struggle.

I had also convinced myself that if I decided to eat meat again, I would have to ease into it because my body would try to reject it.  This was what people on the veggie boards told me and I started to believe them.

Right around a year into my Vegan life, I discovered the BTD.  My Mom had read it and thought that my vegan diet was making me, an O, sick. We were on a trip together to Miami, and she saw how physically bad I was:  tired, heavy, unable to keep my head sorted out and my mind focused.  She said to me, "I know that you're eating Vegan for ethical reasons, and I admire you for that, but you look the worse to me that I've ever seen you in your life (physically).  I've been reading The Blood Type Diet and I think that you should eat some beef at dinner.  I told her that I was continually craving it, but that I was afraid to eat it.  She told me that those worries were ridiculous, and that if my body was craving something so strongly, that I should feed it. She was absolutely right.  As soon as I read Dr. D's book, I went out to dinner and ordered a steak.  I remember that first bite.  It was heaven.  I could feel by body crying out for more and, IMMEDIATELY, I felt some energy return.  That day, I started to eat meat again and felt immediately better.  I started to avoid the wheat and grains and started focusing on meat protein.

I can't tell you how quickly the symptoms abated.  Within a few months I had dropped off the weight, and everything from my skin to my sleep patterns improved. And my cholesterol went back to 220.

There is one side note to this that I haven't mentioned before.  Once I started feeling better, I became hyper-vigilant about not eating wheat of any kind.  I went from eating veggie burgers, made with wheat gluten, every single day, to eating none whatsoever.  I've found, in a lifetime of dieting, that moderation works best for me, and almost anything extreme causes me problems.  I became nearly anaphylactic when it came to wheat, to the point that I had to carry an ephi-pen around with me.  The solution to this turned out to add a bit of wheat back into my diet.  I still eat wheat, regularly, in very small amounts, and I've never had that problem since.  I'm convinced that eating something so toxic for me in such continually large quantities, then completely eschewing it for an extended period of time made me hyper-sensitive to it.  For me, the middle road works best, as long as I'm eating animal protein several times per day, every single day!

I now, for the most part, limit my starches to beans and legumes.  I eat a bit of grains daily, but it's a very, very small amount (think 3 small pretzels) and this seems to work well for me.  I have lost 45 pounds since Feb. 1, and it has not been a struggle with food whatsoever. I also have cut my ADD/ ADHD medications into 1/3 of what I was taking when eating grains (any grains) and sugar.

The people on the veggie boards and Vegan forums really tried to help me deal with my body crying out for meat,but in the end, the body knows what it needs, and listening to my body - REALLY listening to it - has made all of the difference.

Good Luck!


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I think many vegans eat a lot of starches and other things thinking if it isn't meat, than it is healthy.  I used to work for a girl who ate no meat.  Her hair was thinning and she was always rattled.  Her BT was A.  

I think a paleo type diet is a default diet.  We as humans all came up eating it.  I don't eat strict paleo or eat any strict diet, but keep the explorer diet superfoods in my mind.  I eat prob 85 percent explorer meats and veggies and fruits.  I eat mostly rice for grains (eating a plate of rice for breakfast!)  The rest are cheats!!!
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I do understand about the ethical dilema.  I love animals.  In fact I have six pets; three dogs and three cats.  I used to have two ferrets because my neighbor found one that someone had obviously dumped and it ran into her garage.  We kept him and adopted a friend for him.  Our daughter rescued a cat in Arizona while she was attending college and he is now here with us.  I have rescued more stray animals and birds with broken wings than I can remember.

I did try to be a vegetarian at one point in my life and it was a disaster.  I felt terrible.  I recently joined a meat co-op from a local farm where most of the animals (cattle, lambs, rabbits, chickens and other birds) are all allowed to roam.  They are totally grass-fed up until the end of their life.  I feel better about that choice because I can go to the farm and see that the animals have a nice existance and are not being mistreated.  I try to be grateful and thankful for the gift of food.  I think about the current famine in Somalia and other parts of the world and I know how lucky I am to have the gift of abundant food.

I just recently learned about a fish co-op in my area and I plan to look into that as well.  I am assuming the fish will be locally wild-caught fish.  I eat twice the amount of fish as I do red meat and poultry because of the heart disease in my family.  My diet suits me, as I love fish.  I only eat red meat a couple of times a week and once in a while I eat poultry.


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If you look at the big picture, not for anything, but, if all the blood types ate for their blood type, on the planet, there would be better balance in the food chain, and the environment. People would not be cruely killing animals for the "demand" because the demand would be much less.  There would be much less insanity, depression and anxiety that is caused by eating the wrong diet.
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Hi Matt,

I was vegan for 5 years. Mostly for ethical reasons. I had an experience one day of touching a raw  chicken breast and my mind made me think I was handling raw human skin. I freaked out. Ever since then I couldn't touch or even eat meat!

But in 2010, my body began to break down and I just wasn't feeling well. I had weird latent cravings for seafood. I kept thinking I was hallucinating or something    Haha

As a kid, I was raised strictly on fish and seafood.

My first animal protein experience was shrimp. And I could barely bring myself to touch the little shrimp bodies. It was not easy at all and a horrible experience.

I used to go to animal rights demonstrations! I really thought I was losing my sanity. I even had nightmares of killing animals as I began to eat animal protein again. Yeah, not easy at all.

But slowly I started eating fish again. I began to feel much better day by day. Got rid of the soy too! Nasty stuff for O's.

Anyway, everyone has their own unique experience. I can say I have WAY more energy now and my grey hairs are stopping from growing. My weight has dropped too. Woohoo!

I still have issues eating animal protein but I try to think of other things so I don't get freaked out again.

Good luck with your experience! Keep us informed.


Matt and Sooks-
I can relate, I was vegan for 15 years, and then started eating fish, then chick... I love seafood, however, I am trying to incorporate more grass fed beef into my diet.

I still have issues about the ethical reasoning, but I overcome them. It is a work in progress

Energy is high, and I feel much more grounded. Stick with it, everything will get better in time.
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Welcome, Matt!  
It makes me happy that you are approaching your health with an open mind.  It is so easy to get into an ethical trap and just stay there even though the door to change is always open.
I was a vegetarian for more than 20 years, vegan off and on for part of that time, raw food eater for a year or two.  I began to eat that way for ethical reasons and also I was convinced that it was the healthiest way to eat.  

In the beginning, I felt great, lighter, cleaner -- my skin glowed.  But gradually, my health began a subtle downslide.  I lost muscle tone, gained weight, experienced depression and lethargy, had chronic sinusitis, low energy.  After 10 years, my appendix ruptured.  This was after a year of being a raw foodie.  I still persisted with my non-meat path (not being a quitter ), until I got breast cancer.  Right around that time, a friend told me about the Blood Type Diet and I went to hear a talk about it.  I got my blood typed and noticed that I was eating nearly all avoids, and eating nearly none of the foods that were good for me as a type B.  

I am a Non-Secretor, which is an important thing to find out, because it further personalizes the food choices and can make a difference in the success you experience.  Non-Secretors need more meat than Secretors, for example.

I purchased a lamb chop and fully expected to get sick if I tried to eat it.  I didn't think that I could psychologically handle it or physically digest it.  Wow, was I wrong.  I pan-seared it on both sides, sat down at the computer for a minute, while I chewed my first bite.  Suddenly I looked down at the plate and it was gone -- gnawed clean to the bone.  I had literally scarfed it down!  I have honestly not looked back.  I followed the BTD for Non-Secretors for more than a decade and when Dr. D came out with his next level of individualized eating, about 4 years ago, I moved to his Genotype plan, which helped me to fine-tune even more my eating for my own body.

I have lost weight down to my college size, skin has cleared, sleep has improved, energy has stabilized, digestion is impressive.  It feels as if the clock is turning backwards.  I'm healthier than I have ever been.

I suggest that you get a secretor test, if you're able to do so.  This will allow you to give the BTD a real chance.  And get a copy of LR4YT, even if you check it out from the library.  It will help you with the whole lifestyle approach of a type O, with whichever secretor status you are.



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Haven't read through all the posts, lack of time. Just wanted to point out, I too have a difficult time with the ethical eating animals thing when it comes to the commercially raised animals. I believe the animals that are raised in an humane manner, treated well, had a good life, respected, are the better ones to eat, better energy all around! I am not a religious person but when I eat an animal, and I do, even lamb, I thank that animal for giving it's life and providing me with life giving food. That's MHO.


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BTW, I have found a way to deal with the ethical issues, too.  I found a local meat market that does their own processing and butchering.  When I can afford it - about every 18 months, I call and ask them to get me a whole beef.  I ask them to make sure that it is only grass fed.  They regularly go to the sale barns, and know ranchers that don't grain-finish their cattle.  They purchase the animal for me and haul it back to their little facility. They assured me, when I first looked into it, that they bring the couple of cattle that they do on any given day to their place and put them into a pen to relax from the stress of the sale barn and transport. They then hand-slaughter each one themselves, making sure to keep the process as stress-free as possible.  They then will hang the meat to age, if you want it done that way, and process it into the cuts that you want.  I am charged, buy the live pound, for the beef and a $130 slaughter and processing charge.  The last time I purchased a beef from them it cost me, all told, 2.30/ pound for the entire beef, which ended up being around 500 lbs.

They deep -freeze it and call you to pick it up!  They also do pigs, which I don't buy, lambs, if possible and cabrito.  It's fantastic, and my biggest ethical issues, which are with the slaughter and processing at commercial operations, not longer bothers me.


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Welcome!

I think it woudl be wonderful if you documented your changes on YouTube- just think of all the people who can learn about BTD that way!

Keep on reading the BTD books before you get started. The O diet doesn't need to be Paleo, and it doesn't even need to be gluten-free. Many individuals do well on gluten-free diets, and a few do well without any grains, but neither is required to follow BTD. You can still have rye and spelt (gluten containing grains) along with gluten-free grains such as rice and quinoa, and a few beans. The key is to eat the right quantities of these foods: 1 or 2 servings of grains per day, not 6-11, beans a few times a week, not several times a day, and never as the "main protein" of a meal.


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Have you heard about this lady? Liere Keith, former vegan. Could be good reading.
http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.....ivorism-episode-334/
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I know Dr. Cordain says Dr. D'Adamo has the history wrong, like type A was actually the first blood type etc.  I don't really care about the history... I care about how food effects blood (like the grain thing).


Dr. Cordain is intellectually dishonest about this and quite a few other things.. like when and where he first came across the concept of food lectins causing disease, a concept he manages to now wholeheartedly evangelize.

When a scientist uses a mass market book as the basis for a scientific criticism they are either dumb or lazy.

Sour grapes, but true.


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Something I gleamed from reading Dr D's books is that he focuses mainly on "this is what the human body is like NOW, and here's how to determine who should eat what." The stuff about "evolution of blood types" has always been mere conjecture; interesting but not really important and he's not sure he's right about that part. Or, at least, that's the impression I got from reading it.


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Ruth, I was always certain of the 'genetic influences' that shaped how each blood type developed as a result of environmental influences, (founder effect, wild-types, etc, etc). However, most of that would have been way beyond the scope of a book like Eat Right For Your Type. One must realize that at that point in the process, the publisher has laid out a large amount of cash as an advance, plus still  needs to front the marketing money. In fact at that time they own the manuscript, not the author. At each step of the process someone in the pipeline comes in with a concern (too technical, too scary, too complicated) and amputates anything that could remotely risk impacting sales. A first-time author does not have much say in the process.

On the up-side, your reach a lot of people with a basic message that is helpful, on the down-side, critics attack the most popular manifestation of a concept simply because it has the highest recognition value.


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Something I gleamed from reading Dr D's books is that he focuses mainly on "this is what the human body is like NOW, and here's how to determine who should eat what." The stuff about "evolution of blood types" has always been mere conjecture; interesting but not really important and he's not sure he's right about that part. Or, at least, that's the impression I got from reading it.


Ruthie,
Well said, you always sum it up nicely.
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Welcome one guy,
If we all "listened" to our bodies more we would draw our conclusions from truth & not be bombarded by others opinions.
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But some of the details such as "Type O developed during this period of pre-history" and "Type A developed during that period of pre-history" as well as "which one came first" is something that can never be proved or disproved. Nor does that really have any impact on blood types today.


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I have not read through all the posts, but I want to tell you my Type O story.  I'm a former colon hydrotherapist and in the 1990's I really tried to avoid meat, and eat raw as much as possible.  I'm a Type O non-secretor.  I had a colon therapist friend back then who was over-run with respiratory problems, and now I understand why.  She was likely eating mostly grains and avoiding meat, as was the trend at that time for 'healthy people'.  I had plenty of aches and pains in my joints and I had no idea then that they were diet related.  I thought I was just 'getting older.'  I took plenty of supplements to try to 'fix' my aches and pains, and I also needed anti-acid remedies frequently.

At my best, back in those days, I weighed 140 pounds and carried more weight than was idea in my hips and thighs.  I worked out at they gym with weight training and I was toned and 'fit'.....at least I thought so then.

Just over two years ago I started eating the Type O non-secretor diet.  I now weigh about 125 pounds, sometimes less, every day, and my body has become so much more 'ideal'.  Those heavy thighs and big hips just melted away, and for the first time in my life I can see daylight between my thighs when I stand with my feet together.  I will be 68 in September, and I have no aches and pains in my joints at all, nor any digestive problems.  I never need anti-acid preparations, unless I slip up and eat wheat.  If I do that, I wake up during the night needing to have some baking soda in some water to ease my burning stomach.

I'm back at the gym now, doing the same weight training ritual I used to do.  I've been back at it for only six weeks and I have logged only about 16 hours so far doing weight training.  Already I can see my triceps, biceps, shoulders, and back are showing distinct definition, more so than they ever did way back then because I'm not wearing a layer of processed wheat and corn under my skin.  Muscles do have memory, I can see that now.  All that weight training I did back then is really paying off now that my body is thriving on the Type O non-secretor diet.

I urge you to get with the blood type diet, find out your secretor status and then get swami express, the computer program put out by Dr. D'Adamo.  It will tell you exactly what to eat, and how to live, in order to thrive for your type.  
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I would really appreciate it if you let us know what your decision is and if you decide to try BTD, let us know how it's working out for you.




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I have not read through all the posts, but I want to tell you my Type O story.  I'm a former colon hydrotherapist and in the 1990's I really tried to avoid meat, and eat raw as much as possible.  I'm a Type O non-secretor.  I had a colon therapist friend back then who was over-run with respiratory problems, and now I understand why.  She was likely eating mostly grains and avoiding meat, as was the trend at that time for 'healthy people'.  I had plenty of aches and pains in my joints and I had no idea then that they were diet related.  I thought I was just 'getting older.'  I took plenty of supplements to try to 'fix' my aches and pains, and I also needed anti-acid remedies frequently.

At my best, back in those days, I weighed 140 pounds and carried more weight than was idea in my hips and thighs.  I worked out at they gym with weight training and I was toned and 'fit'.....at least I thought so then.

Just over two years ago I started eating the Type O non-secretor diet.  I now weigh about 125 pounds, sometimes less, every day, and my body has become so much more 'ideal'.  Those heavy thighs and big hips just melted away, and for the first time in my life I can see daylight between my thighs when I stand with my feet together.  I will be 68 in September, and I have no aches and pains in my joints at all, nor any digestive problems.  I never need anti-acid preparations, unless I slip up and eat wheat.  If I do that, I wake up during the night needing to have some baking soda in some water to ease my burning stomach.

I'm back at the gym now, doing the same weight training ritual I used to do.  I've been back at it for only six weeks and I have logged only about 16 hours so far doing weight training.  Already I can see my triceps, biceps, shoulders, and back are showing distinct definition, more so than they ever did way back then because I'm not wearing a layer of processed wheat and corn under my skin.  Muscles do have memory, I can see that now.  All that weight training I did back then is really paying off now that my body is thriving on the Type O non-secretor diet.

I urge you to get with the blood type diet, find out your secretor status and then get swami express, the computer program put out by Dr. D'Adamo.  It will tell you exactly what to eat, and how to live, in order to thrive for your type.  

Interesting first post for someone following the plan for 2 years.  



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Joe we have many lurkers who never post.


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I think all the blood types existed for at least 10 million years.  But the genes are still there and they respond differently.  No one had to worry about blood type diet 5 million years ago, because everything they ate was natural and either meat or fruit or vegatable.  And most were lucky to live to be in their thirties!

Only in the past 100 or so years have people eaten so much with such ease or have had access to so many processed and unnatural foods.  
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Joe we have many lurkers who never post.
I believe this is the incorrect use of the word never.  


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But some of the details such as "Type O developed during this period of pre-history" and "Type A developed during that period of pre-history" as well as "which one came first" is something that can never be proved or disproved. Nor does that really have any impact on blood types today.


It really depends on where and how you look for such information, like Dr. D said, it is out there. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18629539 Found this after a 5 minute search, I'm sure there is more where it came from. BUT, many people have a problem with the basics of a punnett square displaying ABO type, they are certainly not going to understand "wild type" etc.

Veganjoe, you are nit-picking.


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I believe this is the incorrect use of the word never.  


We have many lurkers who never post. That is correct.

Sometimes, they decide to post and are no longer lurkers. There are many members who check in to read periodically and never post. Some have been members for years. They are lurkers who never post. There are many.  
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When I was 24 years old I decided to try a vegetarian diet not a vegan diet but mostly vegetarian style diet. I eliminated all kinds of red meat, but ate only fish and occasionally poultry. Lots of fruits, veggies, grains, and nuts but rarely beans or legumes. At the time, I was also a junk food eater as well and hoped I could lose a few pounds, but mainly I was interested in decreasing my cholesterol level.

This type diet was very similiar to my type A non-secretor BTD. I did manage to lose some weight, and my cholesterol went down, but not what any of us here would expect for a blood type A non-secretor, Explorer genotype. My total cholesterol level went down to normal but my LDL level went up and my ratios actually got worse. Not only did my lipid panel change, but my hemoglobin/hematocrit went down a couple grams not enough iron from what I was eating.

Eliminating junk food and red meat went a long way to help the high cholesterol, but what I was doing was still not my optimal diet for health. I needed to eliminate grains and still needed some red meat as evidenced by  my personal SWAMI 2-3X per week. I know that if I need some meat as an A that you will benefit for sure as an O.


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Wow!  Great replies!

Sooks, I imagine I would have an issue with veal at this point as well.
I would possibly try lamb though as a local international grocery store sells it.
I don't think putting health before ethics (which is what I'm working on) is selfish.

brinyskysail, at this point I'm tired of feeling physically sub-par.

Vegan Joe, that's great to know a vegan version of type o is do-able!
I may end up trying to correct my grains etc as you've suggested.
Thanks for the info!

Lola, thanks for the links!  I'll check them out.

EquiPro, great story!
You sound like me... thinking about PETA videos trying to make the cravings go away.
I'm glad you mentioned becoming super-sensitive to wheat from drastically cutting it out,
I almost worry about that (if I were to go totally paleo) as I'm an all or nothing type of person.

Also, to your latter post, that's incredible that you found a market that will do that for you!

Easy E, I agree and good to know.

Patty H, Good to know.  I may end up going the co-op CSA route if I end up changing my diet.

Mayflowers, I agree.  Unfortunately that will probably never happen.

marjorie, wow!  Vegan for 15 years!  Yes, I think diet is something I'll always work on as well.

Victoria, yes I felt great (as a vegan) in the beginning as well for about the first 6 months.
Then I gained all my weight back and felt just as lethargic and sluggish as before.
I am interested in finding out my secretor status, sounds important.
Good to know you were able to get healthy from this!

grey rabbit
, I tend to agree.  I think that praying or thanking the animal before eating is great!

And to your latter post, I usually start with Google for research lol.

ruthiegirl, Yes!  I will document whatever I end up doing on YouTube.
It's a great way to document and get the word out there.

From reading the book, especially Cook Right, I can tell it's not "paleo" specific.
I may end up cutting gluten from my diet first and taking it from there.

jayneeo, I've heard of that book - but I don't know much about her.  I'll check that out, thanks!

Dr. D, I'm always glad to to hear your explanations!
And thanks for posting on my topic.  I really appreciate it.

ruthiegirl, whatever works!

kauaian, Yep... that's what I'm trying to do - listen to my body.

SoCalSandy, great story!  glad to know this is working for you as well.

SandrAruba, I sure will let you know what I end up doing.
I want to take August to research and then start (if I change) on September first.
That's my plan as of right now, anyway.

Easy E, true true.

Captain_Janeway, great to know - thanks!

So, today I took a look at Cook Right 4 Your Type and realized that almost every meal on almost every day contains non-paleo food (mostly grain or beans).  I'm confused as type O should drastically reduce grains and beans.  I'm guessing they threw a lot of neutral food into the meal plans so it doesn't sound strict possibly?  Anyway, I'm an all or nothing type of person so if I'm going to do this I could see myself wanting to cut out all grain and beans (paleo).

So... I'm like should I follow the blood type diet and just choose paleo food or Should I follow the paleo diet and try to generally avoid food that agglutinates type o blood?

Basically I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to be a blood type dude, a paleo dude or both (or neither) lol.  Or should I do the blood type diet and then graduate to genotype / SWAMI?  So many options, the fun part is figuring it out.

Anyway, thanks for all the replies so far!
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I love swami! I followed the BTD for many years and was very successful with it. Along comes swami and I realize I have actually been eating like the "47%Teacher" that I am thinking that I was "cheating" and eating a fair share of avoids. I do have a tendency to eat what I feel I should eat

P.S. If I want to look something up I too usually start with google, it's just that with a scientific subject better info is likely to be found on pub med.


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As a newbie I'm still a little confused.
Is the genotype diet to be used in conjunction with the blood type diet or is that something totally different?

I have the genotype book too and noticed that hunter is separated from gatherer... whereas the type o diet is just a "hunter-gatherer" diet.  So the food list for hunter and gatherer is a little different then just eating type o, right?  I haven't done all the measurements or anything with genotype, but I "think" from what I can tell so far I would be a gatherer since I'm about 6 ft tall and weigh about 215 right now.  For some reason ER4YT type is grabbing at me more than genotype, though.  And thoughts of wanting to go "paleo" or do it paleo style keeps coming up.  I think because sometimes paleo people comment on my vegan videos lol.

I'm also confused as to what SWAMI even is... lol.
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As a newbie I'm still a little confused.
Is the genotype diet to be used in conjunction with the blood type diet or is that something totally different?
... I'm also confused as to what SWAMI even is... lol.


If you are unsure wether to go GTD or BTD look here
http://www.dadamo.com/which_diet_is_right.htm

SWAMI Xpress is a personalized software app that you enter all your stats into and it gives you a blended BTD/GTD report inc food lists and other recs, HTH!
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Cook Right is one of Dr. D's older books. Some of the ingredients don't agree with his later research. You can find the later food values on the typebase using the icons at the top of the page. A secretor test would help you narrow down your food choices. We have recipebase in the icons also. This contains recipes submitted by many members and tells if the recipe is suitable for your particular bloodtype.
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Hi Matt,

I was a vegetarian for 7 years and even went raw for about a year.  I was full of energy when I was raw, but then my hair started falling out, so I re-introduced fish to my diet.  I found that when I was vegetarian I was eating far too many grains and starches and couldn't figure out why I couldn't drop the weight.  Since I started the BTD diet, which has been only about 3 weeks, I've noticed that I've lost weight around my middle and I actually feel stronger.  Most of my joint pain has also diminished.  I'm rarely hungry either.  This diet feels right for me for the first time in my life.
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May I suggest you try the Blood Type diet first? Swami is a personalized version and I ended up getting a lot of the type O BTD foods back on Swami, even though I;m a gatherer.
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Vegan Joe, that's great to know a vegan version of type o is do-able!
I may end up trying to correct my grains etc as you've suggested.
Thanks for the info!

Well doable in what sense of the word. I'm under the impression that to follow this diet correctly one would have to partake of animal products. My suggestion to you was to start with something you are already doing. That being grains and legumes (carbs) and see what effects you notice before testing the animal side of the equation. I don't think there is a vegan version per say , but just a vegan who follows all other food groups excluding animal, and settles for the results at that level of compliance.



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OGOL.... Just remember that balance is important.  I think one of the greatest lessons this way of eating has taught me is that I need to be someplace in the middle. Raw foodism is extremism, paleo is another extreme diet.
The BTD/GTD is a balance and health is about balance.

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http://www.pemphigus.org/wordpress/2011/06/pemphigus-the-best-thing-that-ever-happened-to-me/

Interesting story by Steve Shapiro, when illness is the best thing that ever happens to us. Causes us to rethink how we are living.


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Matt,
Many of the O's follow what would be close to a paleo diet.  I, for one, rarely eat any type of grains although I am allowed one serving daily.  If I eat out at a restaurant, I might have rice as opposed to eating a salad and veggie with my protein.  I view it as having a treat, since I do love carbs.  I generally eat carbs once a week or once every other week.  A bag of rice or quinoa will last months in my house as will a loaf of compliant bread.  Beans and legumes are allowed, but I only eat them when I go to a Mexican restaurant, which is probably four times a year.  Dairy is quite limited for most of us and is to be used as an occasional treat.  I get one serving of dairy per week.  Also, many of us do not use compliant sugar.  I am allowed agave syrup, but I rarely use it at all.  I might use it in cooking occasionally, but I never sweeten tea or other food.  Potatoes are also a no-no.

I think there is a lot of similarity in the way I eat for my type with the Paleo Diet.  The benefit of the BTD/GTD is that Dr. D focused on harmful effects of food lectins and healing your gut.  The health benefits of not eating foods that cause your immune system to go into overdrive are evident and positively impact all the systems of your body.


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The paleo diet is extreme today because there are so many readily available foods in all types of forms.  Even eating a paleo diet will not mimic the diet our ancestors consumed.  

The variation of plant and fruits they ate was probably far greater than people today eat.  And they also ate a wide range of seeds and nuts.  All fresh with no pesticides or fertilizers in them.  They contained a lot more nutrition.

The meat they ate when they were lucky enough to land a good source was leaner and not laced with antibiotics or grain fed.  They did not coat their meats with mustard, mayo, bbq sauce and the like (but they prob would have loved it!)  

They ate everything from frog, squirrel, and small game to deer, buffalo, and others.  The variation was far greater than most people consume today.  I live in a place where hunting and fishing are common, so i eat frog and squirrel and alligator on occassion  But even the meats naturally obtained can contain harmful substances.

Dairy did not really exist.  Whole grain foods in the processed form they exist in today did not exist.  If anyone ate this original diet, i think they would be in fantastic health.  To me, these newer additions are tolerated by some more than others. Maybe i am biased because I am an explorer and did not fare well on the A diet. But it would be very hard today to meet the variation and nutrition our ancestors got from eating a strict paleo diet today.
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The paleo diet is extreme today because there are so many readily available foods in all types of forms.  Even eating a paleo diet will not mimic the diet our ancestors consumed.  

The variation of plant and fruits they ate was probably far greater than people today eat.  And they also ate a wide range of seeds and nuts.  All fresh with no pesticides or fertilizers in them.  They contained a lot more nutrition.

The meat they ate when they were lucky enough to land a good source was leaner and not laced with antibiotics or grain fed.  They did not coat their meats with mustard, mayo, bbq sauce and the like (but they prob would have loved it!)  

They ate everything from frog, squirrel, and small game to deer, buffalo, and others.  The variation was far greater than most people consume today.  I live in a place where hunting and fishing are common, so i eat frog and squirrel and alligator on occassion  But even the meats naturally obtained can contain harmful substances.

Dairy did not really exist.  Whole grain foods in the processed form they exist in today did not exist.  If anyone ate this original diet, i think they would be in fantastic health.  To me, these newer additions are tolerated by some more than others. Maybe i am biased because I am an explorer and did not fare well on the A diet. But it would be very hard today to meet the variation and nutrition our ancestors got from eating a strict paleo diet today.


Squirrel?  What does squirrel taste like? It is a neutral on my SWAMI.


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Squirrel?  What does squirrel taste like? It is a neutral on my SWAMI.


I've always liked squirrel.  It's one of those things that pretty much just "tastes like chicken", I think.  Tougher texture than chicken though.


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Easy E you are correct, but you don't take it far enough, not only were the things you listed eaten, most of the rest of the animal was consumed including the organs,brain, liver, intestines, probably not lungs? too fluffy?(they are rather delicate). Not only did they eat seeds and nuts and wild fruits but insects too. It may have been a superior diet to what we can find now, but they didn't live very long lives, there is a trade-off.


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Not to hijack this thread, OK too late, I tend to disagree with the paleo picture people are painting. I think for the greater part of the human tribes and communities of the past the diet was restrictive and hard to come by due to local environmental conditions like growing seasons, plant and soil specificity due to location, animal migration, and hybernation etc.. I think the keeping of our ancestor's bellies full was pretty much a full time adventure that was usually limited in the types of food eaten in a given period or season.


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A high protein diet can be more versatile, hence more healthful, than a purely paleo-philosophy based one. Or any philosophy-based diet for that matter.


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I've always liked squirrel.  It's one of those things that pretty much just "tastes like chicken", I think.  Tougher texture than chicken though.


    


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If Jean M. Auel's research is correct, Paleo people DID eat some grains, collecting the seeds from wild grasses in the fall. They basically ate whatever they could  get their hands on- nuts, seeds, grains, vegetables, any and all meats they managed to obtain. In late winter/early spring, winter's food stores were mostly gone but nothing new was ready to eat yet. Dried herbs helped fill in nutritional gaps (at least when they had a medicine woman like the fictional Ayla to prepare "spring tonics" for the rest of the cave.)

If it wasnt' in season or stored from when it was in season, it couldn't be eaten. Their diets weren't always balanced, and they didn't always have enough to eat.

To eat a diet of modern foods, but omit root vegetables, grains, and legumes, isn't really a "Paleo" diet, although that's how the term is currently understood.

A type O on a modern "Paleo" diet would probably do well, since it is fairly close to the type O diet, or anyway it's closer to the O diet than it is to the B, AB, or A diets. Paleo is closer to the O diet than the SAD (standard american diet) or vegan diet is. For a type O vegan, Paleo isn't a bad choice. But, IMHO, following the Type O Diet would be an even healthier choice.


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I could defintaly not do a strict paleo diet unless there was nothing else there.  Sometimes carbs help me feel good!  And you can combine non meat sources to make complete proteins, like Dr. D says.  Good to have variety and be flexible.

Squirrel is good!  Alligator is in resturaunts here and in some sushi even!

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Matt, also, not all people desend from the paleolithic era.  Some people descended from the newer, Neolithic era.  These people, I assume would be blood type B and AB.

Dr. D's new book, The GenoType Diet, takes this into account and adjusts the diet accordingly.  As an O, the diets for Hunters and Gatherers, the older two GenoTypes is still different from one another.  O's can also be Explorers as well as other blood types.  Explorers are considered a "Newer Model" according to Dr. D.  The difference in the diets can be quite amazing.  For instance, Hunters can eat beef and beef is considered a superfood.  Beef is an avoid for Gatherers and I believe it is a neutral for Explorers.  If you end up being an Explorer or Gatherer, the Paleo Diet may not be as good for you.

The Paleo Diet is a "one size fits all" diet, whereas the BTD and GTD are individualized.  That is the main difference, IMHO.


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Beef is neutral for Gatherers and Explorers. It's not an avoid for any of the Genotypes that Os can be.


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Beef is neutral for Gatherers and Explorers. It's not an avoid for any of the Genotypes that Os can be.


Yes, I stand corrected.  You are right, Ruthie.  Beef liver is a better example.  It is a superfood for Hunters, an avoid for Gatherers and a neutral for Explorers, according to the book.


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A high protein diet can be more versatile, hence more healthful, than a purely paleo-philosophy based one. Or any philosophy-based diet for that matter.


A diet based on philosophy rather then physiology may not be the best choice.



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A diet based on philosophy rather then physiology may not be the best choice.



i think that is the hook though, veganism is usually perceived as a careful blending of the two.

(ex-veg of 10yrs)
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i think that is the hook though, veganism is usually perceived as a careful blending of the two.

(ex-veg of 10yrs)

By some but not all.


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True veganism is foremost about the animal, and all other so called truths are proclaimed under that banner. If it's not foremost about the animal then vegan doesn't pertain to you. Monickers like strict vegetarian, dietary vegan, etc. might better discribe you.


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honeybee, that link says the genotype diet is my best system.
I have the original genotype book, so I may look into that.
I'm not sure why, but the BTD is grabbing at me more fore some reason...
maybe because I'm a newbie?

gulfcoastguy, oh yeah!  I forgot about the online database.

strawberry
, wow a year on raw!  I could barely do 30 days.
Glad to hear the BTD is helping.

jayneeo, yes good suggestion.

Vegan Joe, I very much like that approach!
I may end up starting by going gluten free and see where that takes me.

And to your latter post, I tend to agree.

Andrea AWsec, that makes so much sense!
A freind basically told me the same thing right before I read that.
Thanks for the link!  I'll check that out.

And to your latter post, good saying!

Patty H, thanks for the info.
I'm starting to understand that the grain and beans in the recipes are netural...
and that it's just the gluten containing grain that o should avoid, right?

Easy E, good point!

grey rabbit, another good point.

Dr. D, another great explanation!

ruthiegirl, the blood type o diet led me to paleo...
but the science behind the BTD grabs at me more than the theory behind paleo.
There's so many people who say it's pseudo science, but I believe there is something to it.

Easy E, I could do a strict paleo diet as I tend to be all or nothing.
If I can do raw vegan for 30 days I could do paleo, lol.

Patty H, good point.  And I like your comparison between the two diets.
For some reason I don't like that hunter is separated from gatherer...
I like that the BTD just lists type o as a "hunter-gatherer".
However!  It's probably good to distinct between the two...
as I would have probably preferred to gather back then...
I could never see me hunting... I used to fish, but never hunted.

honeybee, veganism is perceived in tons of different ways.
Health, ethics / animal compassion / animal cruelty / animal rights,
environment, spiritualism, rebellion (mostly teens, lol) etc etc etc.

And yes, Vegan Joe is correct.
True veganism... the actual lifestyle (not just diet) is about the animal.
We don't eat, wear and (to a certain practical extent) use animal products or products tested on animals.
PETA, along with the tons of books I've read (going back 9 years now), has really got me on their side lol.

Most people are ignorant (that's not an insult) about factory farming / animal cruelty etc...
As a teenager (interested at eighteen) I saw it as a way to be healthy and help reduce animal cruelty.

Now as a 26 year old adult I'm starting to question my decision and maybe eat free range meat.
Those types of people always annoyed me as a vegan, but I can see where they're coming from.

Anyway... back to the subject lol.

Yesterday I saw a copy of ER4YT at a used bookstore (where I found my copy) for $2.
I went there today to buy it for a co-worker and a lady grabbed it right before I did!
On the upside, I found a copy of LR4YT there so I bought it.
I think I might wait to see if I'm going to do this (or a variation of this) before buying CR4YT.

I'm going to relax on my couch tonight and read more of ER4YT, Genotype and LR4YT.
I also found a Paleo book there too.  I may end up taking it back if I don't do it.

I must say, the blood type diet is sounding more balanced than straight up paleo.
I'm thinking of taking Vegan Joe's recommendation of eating right 4 my vegan type basically lol.
I mean, I might stay vegan now and just follow Dr. D's recommendations for the food groups I do eat.

I still have lots of reading and figuring out to do.

I really appreciate all the comments!  You guys rock!
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I'll be honest I have'nt read everyones answers to you I can only tell you how BTD has helped me. I have never been vegetarian but I have gone in times in my life where I have'nt eaten as much meat as I do now, during those times I felt so lethargic, I had terrible acne and I was 60lbs overweight. I started BTD just from reading DrD's original book and started implementing small changes in my life, I cut out all grains (except brown organic rice) milk (I only drink almond milk) and upping my protein (meat for me) intake.

I also hired a personal trainer for a few months (money is tight so I could'nt do it for longer, wish I could have) anyway by implementing these small changes I have lost 35 lbs (I know it would definitely be more but I have *stalled* a bit over the summer in terms of exercise   My body definitely craves for me to eat meat and when I do I cannot explain the satisfying, feeling I get. My skin has cleared up so much and in fact I keep getting compliments at work about how superb my skin, hair and body look overall.

I am a firm believer in listening to your body and no one on this planet is going to fit into a *one size fits all* diet, listen to what your body is needing or craving in that moment you are in. If you choose to not include meat in your diet maybe there is a type of bean or other protein source that can be substituted. Again I am not into the whole GTD or SWAMI .. at this point only doing the BTD which is so basic but still for me has been life changing. Good luck and welcome  


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vegan-ism was started by a blood type A person. which is a bit selfish if you ask me.

If a blood type O person said everyone should eat Meat it would be equally unfair.

I rather prefer the norm which , although I'm not very religious, and that is as good intended it.


so if it's okay for a Lion to eat a Deer, it's okay for me to eat buffalo.



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vegan-ism was started by a blood type A person. which is a bit selfish if you ask me.

Which one of them? (Sorry just trying to keep it real)

In July 1943, Leslie Cross, a member of the Leicester Vegetarian Society, wrote to its newsletter, The Vegetarian Messenger, expressing concern that vegetarians were still eating dairy products. In August 1944, two members of the Leicester society, Donald Watson (1910–2005) and Elsie \\\"Sally\\\" Shrigley (died 197, suggested forming a subgroup of non-dairy vegetarians. When this was rejected, they and five others met at the Attic Club in Holborn, London, to discuss setting up a separate organization.[4] Suggestions for a concise term to replace non-dairy vegetarian included dairyban, vitan, benevore, sanivore, and beaumangeur, but Watson decided on \\\"vegan\\\"—pronounced \\\"veegun\\\" (/ˈviːɡən/), with the stress on the first syllable—the first three and last two letters of vegetarian. From Wikipedia.
Also was wondering when was the last time you hunted a buffalo. Please don\'t be upset with me. But just trying to draw out the the true analogy.


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Ah, but do you forage all your veggies? or even grow them?
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By the way I wasn't trying to be real, it was meant in humorous way. humour is usually missed by vegans though because they are so uptight (due to candida), but don't be upset by me

That's hardy a true analogy, it just suits you , there is a big difference.

my simple question is if animals naturally eat other animals and we are animals, what is the problem? is it any worse of a death to be eaten by a lion or a human.

remember ing of course that i don't agree with unnecessary cruelty to any type of animal human include. the word humane should give it away really.

also why did you become a vegan, as a matter of interest.


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OK, so if you are vegan because it is "all about the animal" I can respect your desire to live your life that way. If you are vegan because you think it is healthier, MHO is that you are wrong.

Personally, factory farms have gotta go, they have no redeeming qualities as far as I am concerned, family farms and co-ops on the other hand can do great things.

As I was driving to our local farmer's market this morning (very small, rural area of the SW USA, only one a week) I was wondering what would happen, hypothetically, if everyone was a vegan? These animals that you are trying to protect would not longer exist, with the probable exception of a few kept in zoos. What would happen to the game, deer, elk, etc.? First the natural predators would reproduce like mad because there was an abundance of food, when that extra food ran low and there were extra predators still around those wolves, coyotes, mountain lions would die of starvation - after they started eating family pets (this kind of imbalance has happened here in the west, this is not my original idea).

I haven't even gone into the problem of what ranchers would do to make a living, believe me that acreage used for cattle ranching is suitable to little else. Maybe they belong in the zoos with the examples of the cows they used to raise. I don't think it will ever happen, so they don't really have anything to worry about, just musing.


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True veganism is foremost about the animal, and all other so called truths...


Therefore by your reasoning 'True veganism' = 'so called truth'.
Because if your truth is 'true' and others are so-called, then your truth itself is undermined, because if the value of others truths is questionable, so too can yours be.
This is the problem with truth...

For you, being vegan is foremost about the animal (animal lib); this is a philosophy based on ethics.

The infamous canon of philosophy, shows us that learning to see all creatures joys and struggles through many lenses, not a bias of 'this truth' and 'that truth' can be useful in forming our opinions and beliefs, and understanding those of others.

I understand your intentions are to not harm any living being and even to advocate for greater understanding of the plight of animals raised for food. This is what you believe real veganism is, but my friends who don't partake in the animals products because they are vain, and think it makes them more attractive, are not real vegans, because their philosophy is seen to be lacking by you a 'true vegan'?

(…collective truth does not exist? Truth for you is entirely diff to truth for me for example. Therefore there is no 'true veganism', but you could argue there is what true veganism is for you, but you can not speak for your vegan brothers & sisters ( I do understand your meaning of truth as used here is being in accord with generally agreed facts of veganism as described by PETA et al.)

Peter Singer (Prof. Bioethics) pops into mind... Michael Pollan too (and so does Sartre, Hegel, Kant, Nietzsche, Baudrillard lol)

So there are my vain vegans and then there are my other vegan associates whom don't eat honey, use palm oil, or wear leather; and only drink alcohol that is not filtered through fish bones and egg whites.
[I know vegans who are anarchists, I know beautiful, healthy vegans even. I know beautiful, healthy, annoying vegans too -fascinating creatures  ]

And I am glad they all exist, not only because they are a data-set that provides researches, journos even, and the like, with more grist for the mill on human endeavour, inc health, philosophy, economics etc. Researches & analysts can extract information from the vegan population and cross ref that with demographics, farming practices, belief systems, genetics, blood types or how many vegans shop at Wholefoods for example.

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honeybee, veganism is perceived in tons of different ways.
Health, ethics / animal compassion / animal cruelty / animal rights,
environment, spiritualism, rebellion (mostly teens, lol) etc etc etc.


I did not imply it isn't, I simply stated what I believe, as everyone else here has lol.

None have the right or wrong answers, but we can dissect [sorry, pun unintentional!] a topic with respect and healthy debate, it is how we learn about ourselves and others.

BTW my interest is not what is veganism and what it isn't, but how we process our thoughts about the world-within, and the planet /solar-system around us.

To paraphrase from The Economist, concerns about animal welfare and obesity are food problems of the rich, in poorer countries it is not 'whats for dinner' rather 'will there be anything for dinner?'… (this idea is from http://www.economist.com/node/18200618 the same article argues organic farming could not feed the world   ).

Dr D's work has changed my life, I was a starch-a-tarian my entire life before, I didn't read packets, therefore I did not know what food is made of, I could not think clearly (brain-fog as we refer to it here), I had body image issues, bad skin & teeth and an unhealthy obsession with french patisseries

I am grateful for every meal I cook, every lemon I forage, every fish I catch in my net. This is my truth.

As you were…

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I'm also confused as to what SWAMI even is.

http://www.dadamo.com/clinic/swamigenotype.htm


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Therefore by your reasoning \'True veganism\' = \'so called truth\'.
Because if your truth is \'true\' and others are so-called, then your truth itself is undermined, because if the value of others truths is questionable, so too can yours be.
This is the problem with truth...

For you, being vegan is foremost about the animal (animal lib); this is a philosophy based on ethics.

The infamous canon of philosophy, shows us that learning to see all creatures joys and struggles through many lenses, not a bias of \'this truth\' and \'that truth\' can be useful in forming our opinions and beliefs, and understanding those of others.

I understand your intentions are to not harm any living being and even to advocate for greater understanding of the plight of animals raised for food. This is what you believe real veganism is, but my friends who don\'t partake in the animals products because they are vain, and think it makes them more attractive, are not real vegans, because their philosophy is seen to be lacking by you a \'true vegan\'?

(…collective truth does not exist? Truth for you is entirely diff to truth for me for example. Therefore there is no \'true veganism\', but you could argue there is what true veganism is for you, but you can not speak for your vegan brothers & sisters ( I do understand your meaning of truth as used here is being in accord with generally agreed facts of veganism as described by PETA et al.)

Peter Singer (Prof. Bioethics) pops into mind... Michael Pollan too (and so does Sartre, Hegel, Kant, Nietzsche, Baudrillard lol)

So there are my vain vegans and then there are my other vegan associates whom don\'t eat honey, use palm oil, or wear leather; and only drink alcohol that is not filtered through fish bones and egg whites.
[I know vegans who are anarchists, I know beautiful, healthy vegans even. I know beautiful, healthy, annoying vegans too -fascinating creatures  ]

And I am glad they all exist, not only because they are a data-set that provides researches, journos even, and the like, with more grist for the mill on human endeavour, inc health, philosophy, economics etc. Researches & analysts can extract information from the vegan population and cross ref that with demographics, farming practices, belief systems, genetics, blood types or how many vegans shop at Wholefoods for example.



I did not imply it isn\'t, I simply stated what I believe, as everyone else here has lol.

None have the right or wrong answers, but we can dissect [sorry, pun unintentional!] a topic with respect and healthy debate, it is how we learn about ourselves and others.

BTW my interest is not what is veganism and what it isn\'t, but how we process our thoughts about the world-within, and the planet /solar-system around us.

To paraphrase from The Economist, concerns about animal welfare and obesity are food problems of the rich, in poorer countries it is not \'whats for dinner\' rather \'will there be anything for dinner?\'… (this idea is from http://www.economist.com/node/18200618 the same article argues organic farming could not feed the world   ).

Dr D\'s work has changed my life, I was a starch-a-tarian my entire life before, I didn\'t read packets, therefore I did not know what food is made of, I could not think clearly (brain-fog as we refer to it here), I had body image issues, bad skin & teeth and an unhealthy obsession with french patisseries

I am grateful for every meal I cook, every lemon I forage, every fish I catch in my net. This is my truth.

As you were…


I think you skipped over the reading of the word foremost. And then try to display your philosophical schooling. You needn\'t have gotten so verbose to excuse people labeling themselves without really living up to the cause.
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BTW my interest is not what is veganism and what it isn\'t\"
Really lol


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Let me put it simply. Man the evolutionary creature he is, has capacity for compassion, unlike any other creature. He also the capacity for cruelty unlike any creature . All sentient beings (of which we are one) all strive for the same basic needs: among them to be satiated and avoid pain, and suffering. We as humans have the brain capacity to alleviate a lot of suffering in the world, when it comes to creatures that share this planet with us. Just seems to me that this is the next evolutionary plateau for humans, to eliminate as much pain and suffering in this world. And as for people who have to have their meat, well coming to your grocery store soon: Meat on a stick (lab grown meat). Think we won\'t evolve that way? Even if it\'s mostly economic forces driving it now. A kinder gentler world just seems like something to strive for. I don\'t need an excuse why I have to eat meat. Which is not what everyone seems to be saying amidst their compasionateness.
But I digress I don\'t care what you eat, I\'m not here to judge you, If you want to go hunting and fishing these are your choice to which you have every right. I make different choices. Let just respect these facts.
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I heard a kill last night.  Either a pack of coyotes or a cougar killed a dog or a deer.  

Let me tell you, it was neither noble or pain free.  The screaming of the carnivores and the prey was unbelievable, but the carnivores will be well fed for at least for a few days.  All of the animals in my area are especially beautiful this year, gorgeous coats and handsome bodies.  This is what is supposed to happen in nature.

I think, as we age, it becomes more important to follow either the blood type, genotype or swami diets.  The way I look at it is I am supposed to eat meat so I don't tax the medical system.  If I "put the wrong fuel" in my system, at the age of 51, I think I would be, as many of my contemporaries, be taking statins, high blood pressure medications, and probably antidepressants.  This type of diet keeps me healthy and keeps me from depleting resources with senseless rounds to the medical professionals who would, most likely, not be able to help me.  

I look at my mother who is now 84, eaten more of a meat based diet most of her life, but was also a heavy smoker.  The doctors cannot believe how her body has held up, but her mind is mush. I know none of us is getting out of here alive, but I certainly don't want to spend the last 10 years of my life trapped with Alzheimer's.  I am thinking this way of life will help me better negotiate through really old age.





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I'm all for open dialog (and I must say it's some interesting reading), but just keep in mind that what Matt was looking for in this thread was evidence (or lack there of) that switching from vegan to the type O diet would benefit his health - not so much a philosophical discussion of veganism.


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BSS, the two ideas overlap so it is hard to separate them.

Meat will make VJ more of who he was meant to be, it is a hard thing to explain unless he actually tries it for himself. One of my friends just started his SWAMI an O and he can't believe how good he feels when he eats meat.  All protein is not created the same so doing vegan protein will not have the same effect.



I do respect his choice and even more so for coming on here, not an easy thing to do.




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Meat on a stick (lab grown meat). Think we won\'t evolve that way?
Isn't that kinda what your fake butter and such is? Something created in a lab that is supposed to taste like something from nature? (still trying to say this with respect, not trying to bash you, honest) No, I do not think we will evolve that way, I am not a pessimist. I am a strong supporter of the local farmer, that is the way of the future. Even here in an area where new ideas are difficult to introduce we have a "farm to school" program. Have you lived your entire life in an urban environment; that can have an effect on your perspective?

jeanb, that was great, taxing the health-care system is a HUGE problem and getting worse as the population gets older. You are right about that, the older you get the harder it is to stay healthy eating the wrong things. The BTD is the reason I STOPPED eating red meat! This strongly supports Matt's reasons for eating this way. I too consume zero pharmaceuticals.


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One of the factors that create space to live in is to allow new possibilities. I know I hang on to some things, not even wanting to, but yet, until I re-visit that part of life or living, I seem to harber this or that within my healthy being, as if life it self depends on it.. / not real fear, just terror of fear, of change!

I wonder what your early life was like? did you live where there where plenty of foods you prefere? or did you have to eat what was served? did you ever go back to the day when you chose to take on veganism?.and looked at what emotion was there? which girlfriend made you happy? or for that matter, madder then a wet rooster?  

You know, as long as you feel great, look great, and have perfect blood tests, and have a great and reguklar love life, then by all means don't change, as we are all striving for that into old age.  

I expect that if you sit and read this and say: YES to all, then there is no reason to mess with new things.  If in the future of your anticipated long life (in your family) there is no cancer, no dementia, no diabetes nor heart issues and no water retention, then I think you have no need even for this whole posting thread.. as then you are truly in a great place.. there is nothing like such perfection, and no one here could nor would promise you that kind of security.. no one would dare to predict the future for fear that even the mere suggestion of it might make one liable.. or put thoughts in the universe opposing what you know as truth.

You are the best tour guide through your life.. If it is perfect, and life was good to you, why tinker with it.. if you have saved enough hard cash that money will not ever matter in older age, if you have enough to get you through old age with good friends and supporters all around, then, nothing ever needs to change.  I think such possibilities do exist, and then your view points make life not just a view point, but common sense to you .. there are such peolpe. There are such lucky moments for some, you must be one of them.  Congrats for the perfect life, as that allows you to be your own best counsel..

Sorry to say, all who are not perfect do come here for guidance and usually find it.. I for one always like my meat but until I found cajun spice I never really savored the flavors.. now - I -do and love to eat it.. would I like fish flavors and taste, I would put cajun spices on them too.. i have no issue adding it to fruit and salads..

all the best.. and much happy cooking  and may you be well the rest of your life.. I wish that for you and all who communicate here on this and any other subject all the best toyou too.         


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The Bible states that animals on this earth are to be used as a food source for man, along with plants and fruits.  Only when man's eyes opened was he cursed to till the soil for food.

Pray for the blessings of having food and the life of the animal.  You too will one day become food to nurture other organisms as well, as we all will.  That is the way of nature.  The elements that make your body up are as old as the universe and have been cycled over many times.
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The BTD is the reason I STOPPED eating red meat!


Same here. I loved my steak, but no more for me. And I am eating less and less meat, but only because I want to be healthy. So if an O has to eat meat to be healthy, I say, go for it. And if you have the luxury to find meat from an animal that lived a good live, all the better.

Just look at it this way, for every A that goes on this diet there's a piece of meat left for an O to eat.





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All or nothing thinking is all A's should eat no meat and all O's should eat meat;) I tried the no meat thing for a period of several mths and never felt crappier!
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As shouldn't eat most RED meat. They should eat poultry and fish, and possibly small amounts of lamb. In general, As should eat less meat than Os- but of course there are individual exceptions.


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Easy E, you are an Explorer, a whole different animal than most of us As! Yes, most As don't eat red meat, but many of us are not vegetarians.


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Regardless of your protein source, Dr. D's prescription is much more than that.


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O baby, good to hear the BTD is working for you!

policychecker, I'm not very religious either (I do consider myself christian, though), but as far as wrong or right goes I try to remember Romans 14:3 that basically says it doesn't matter what you eat because vegetarians and meat eaters are both welcome at God's table.

Veganism is a personal choice that many people make for many reasons.
I became vegan more for health, but I also like knowing that an animal wasn't slaughtered for my food (and yes I'm aware that animals die when crops are harvested, but there's a difference between accidentally killing an animal and purposely slaughtering one).

grey rabbit, I agree... factory farms have got to go.  Nothing makes that happen more than supply and demand.  Veganism helps boycott the whole industry.  If I start eating meat again I'll try to buy local free range grass fed meat (which, as you know, also helps).

I think if everyone went vegan, mother nature would take care of the animal population and the ranchers could become farmers and grow many crops as it takes 12 times the land to grow animals as it does to grow crops.  There would be so much food (grain) we would probably have enough to feed third world countries.

honeybee, true veganism is simply avoiding as much animal cruelty in every aspect of your life for whatever reason you as a person has.

Lola, thanks for the link.

Vegan Joe, I agree.  And the stem cell type meat that may come in the future is just plain wrong IMO.

jeanb, makes sense to me.  I mentioned changing my diet to my mom and she asked if it were true then why haven't mainstream doctors told anyone about it (eating for your blood type).  I simply said "money".  Mainstream doctors aren't going to tell people how to heal themselves because they wouldn't have a job.

brinyskysail
, yep!  I'm just here to learn... but will share my knowledge, too.  I may only be 26, but I've independently studied nutrition (especially plant based nutrition) for the past 9 years.

Andrea AWsec, thanks and I do feel I need to try it for myself.

Goldie, thanks!  I pretty much grew up eating McDonald's and living in trailer park conditions.  My parents didn't make much money.  As a teenager I became fed up with eating junk... discovered PETA and the rest is history.  There's a lot of stuff that vegan books DON'T tell you... and the possibility that you may not succeed is one of them.

Cajun spice is okay... I like Indian, though.  My favorite food in the world is chickpea curry.  I know I wouldn't be able to have that if I go paleo, but could still have vegetable curry (I think).

Easy E, I'm definitely not here to debate about the bible lol.  At one point I was engaged in an argument with a person... and my research led to a site called jesusveg which puts a christian spin on it.  I know that Adam and Eve were vegan as there was no death in the GARDEN of Eden lol.  Only AFTER the flood (when there was no vegetation) were we allowed to start eating animals.  Anyway, like I told policychecker, Romans 14:3 says it doesn't matter what you eat... God accepts vegetarians and meat eaters.

SandrAruba, I wish I were an A so veganism would better suit me.  I've basically come down to choosing between my well being and ethics.  I may end up choosing my well being for once.

Okay... wasn't planning on posting a rebuttal to all that lol.  But I don't mind, as long as it's allowed lol.  All I used to do is argue on the internet hahaha.  Believe it or not, vegetarian forums have the most arguments about vegetarianism!  Put vegetarians, vegans and raw foodists together and they argue argue argue.  Vegetarians don't take it far enough, vegans take it too far and raw foodists are just crazy.  I actually got to the point of being tired of arguing with OTHER vegetarians so I stopped posting on forums.  This forum is the first one I've posted on in a few years.

Anyway... I posted a video on YouTube about my situation.  I explain how I'm thinking about going paleo and using the BTD recommendations as a way to tweak it.  I even mention this site / forum.

That's about it for now.
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]\  All protein is not created the same so doing vegan protein will not have the same effect.


And yes Dr. D's diets are more then just meets the eye, but O's without meat well it is just unnatural for them.



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Dr D is not about a diet.!!. It is a FREEly chosen life style!  A stress free generous life, giving and taking only what is good.. His prescription to life is contrary to the premis of this blog headline; so much so, that I will no longer make the adjustemnt to come here and read about on intrenched mind.. I am moving on to bigger and better things.. some I approve of some I am testing, and still some I will learn in the way MY life dictates.. Spinning my wheels is deffinilty not Dr D's way..

ALL here are individual! FIRST and FOREMOST! Be that to YOU and do your own thing.. no one here will dissuade you differently.. If you need a nagging older sister find one in other places..   I am certain you will find many ways to make a meaningful difference.. FOR YOU not for the world.. just You alone - the way each of us here is doing.. now and later..  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Hi everyone. Am South African and new on the site. I became vegetarian for 3 months before I spoke to a friend of mine who follows ER4YT. Already I was craving meat......the rest is history I am back to red meat and feel so much better 2 weeks later.

I am only following the ER4YT guide and nothing more at this stage and hope to get some benefits. I just want recipes that are low fat for red meat in particular as I have not been eating red even before I went vegetarian.

I have managed very well to stay away from most grains/gluten, dairy, legumes and now dealing with dried fruit that has sugar. I still eat half a cup of low GI meusli as I have a lot of it and when it finishes I will have to stay away from it.

But guys, breakfast after muesli will be a BIG challenge for me.What do other Os eat? Is rolled oats glutenic too?
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Welcome Sasha!

It's wise to ease into this way of eating slowly, and use up what's already in the house, then replace with healthier options.

My breakfast usually consists of eggs and veggies, sometimes leftovers from the night before. I don't do well with grains in the morning,and many Type Os find the same thing. My mom, however, doesn't feel full on eggs in the morning, and does well with oatmeal for breakfast. Each one of us is a unique individual, and we need to figure out what works best for ourselves.

You don't need to "stay away from grains/gluten and legumes." What you need to do is eat the RIGHT grains and legumes, and in the right quantity- which is likely a whole lot smaller than you were eating before. Spelt, rye and oats are perfectly fine for Os, even though they contain gluten.

Oats don't technically contain gluten, but they do contain a similar protein that some people react to, plus they're often contaminated wtih wheat during growing or processing. Nevertheless, "regular" oats are fine for Os on the blood type diet, although some extra-sensitive individuals need to use the "certified gluten free oats" or don't tolerate them at all.


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Thanks Ruthiegirl I feel better, at least I can still have my rolled oats. I can do just fine with chicken in the morning but not eggs and veggies. So I'll try to experiment with different beneficial or neutral foods. Will test fish as well.

I guess you are having lunch now in the U.S and its bedtime for me here. Thanks again.
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thatoneguyonline,
great video!

on meat and animal fat.....
read about CLA content in the fat of grass fed free range organic animal sources
CLA (Conjugated Linoleic Acid)
it is essential to us Os as well
look for sources of grass-fed beef: It's leaner and contains more conjugated linolenic acid (CLA) than commercial meat sources.


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Please don't put words in my mouth that I did not say.

First of all, I am an A, so it would be a ridiculous thing for me to say "I wish I were an A"



I believe that he was addressing the statement to you, rather than quoting you.  



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Ah animals. We are the same matter you and me.
Our bond is astonishing, my admiration is deep, I am consoled by your existence.



I would not agree with the live trade of factory bred, doped up humans either!

Read about epigenetics? Lot's here on this very site.
Once your child is capable of thinking & acting for itself - by then it may be too late, the damage may already be done (philosophical and genetic)

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Andrea AWsec, veganism has never really felt natural to me... that's another problem I've had with it.

And to you later post, I didn't quote you lol.  I was saying I wish I (me) were an A blood type so I could feel more inclined to stay vegan.

Goldie, thanks for the info.

Sasha999, glad you are already feeling better.

And to your later post, you can often find gluten free (dedicated soil) rolled oats in health food stores.

ruthiegirl, I agree you don't need to totally avoid gluten / grain and legumes.  The all or nothing part of me like that the paleo diet totally avoids them, though.  I'm still trying to figure out if I want to include them in my diet.  I may end up just trying to be a gluten free vegan.

Lola, thanks!  I'll look into that.

Victoria, exactly.

honeybee, I've never read about epigenetics.  I'll look into that, too.

Today I asked a personal trainer at the gym about paleo and he's never heard of it.  He said he doesn't recommend cutting any food groups out of your diet.  That would bring me back to the blood type diet (as it doesn't cut any food groups out completely).  I don't know, though.  I don't care about dairy (I'm already used to not consuming it as a vegan), grain makes me feel lethargic and legumes make me feel bloated.  So I feel I could live without those things, but not sure.

Anyway, I'm going to relax and read some books.
I'm reading 5 books right now between Dr. D'Adamo's work and the paleo diet.
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I have to wonder three things about legumes making you feel  bloated:

1) Which legumes are you eating? The legumes appropriate for Os, or the legumes we're supposed to avoid?

2) How are these legumes being prepared? The right preparation makes them much  easier to digest.

3) What are you eating the legumes with? Many people find that legumes and grains combined are hard to digest, but either one separately (with plenty of veggies and possibly animal protein too) digest just fine.


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and the ranchers could become farmers and grow many crops as it takes 12 times the land to grow animals as it does to grow crops.


You have never been to the southwestern US have you? lol

good luck on your journey!


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Andrea AWsec, veganism has never really felt natural to me... that's another problem I've had with it.

And to you later post, I didn't quote you lol.  I was saying I wish I (me) were an A blood type so I could feel more inclined to stay vegan.


Wasn't me that said you misquoted... was another blood type A.

I think you are really special this takes alot of guts.



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I think you are really special this takes alot of guts.


word!

and the same for the fact that you are willing to even consider up-ending your way of life.  Some people become too lazy, too scared, too stubborn, too whatever to even think about changing parts of their lives, even if those parts have become problems.  In the end, no matter what you decide, I will know that you have truly thought about each potential path and each potential outcome and chosen the one that you believe is best so I'll totally respect your decision  


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ruthiegirl, I eat a lot of chickpeas (rice and curry, felafel burgers, hummus etc) and black beans (burgers with gluten free bread crumbs and gluten free oats to hold them together) from a can.  I usually make the curry in a pot on the stove and use a George Foreman grill for the burgers.  Oh and I eat a lot of refried beans (tacos).  Sometimes I do 15 bean soup in a crock pot... I always feel like I gain 10 lbs afterwords.

grey rabbit, nope, never.  And thanks.

Andrea AWsec, woops!  Sorry about that, lol.  That was meant for SandrAruba.  And, thanks!

brinyskysail, thanks!  I'm trying not to be dogmatic, anymore.

Today I realized that the paleo diet (and the blood type diet) is based on evolution.
I consider myself Christian so therefore I'm not really supposed to believe in all the caveman / evolution stuff. I keep thinking maybe I can just look at it from a health perspective, but I'm not sure how I would feel about it.
Any suggestions / ideas or links to topics talking about this?
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Forget the evolution stuff don't get hung up on it.


We have a load of christians following this way of eating, including a guy who writes for Creation Magazine.


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ruthiegirl, I eat a lot of chickpeas (rice and curry, felafel burgers, hummus etc) and black beans (burgers with gluten free bread crumbs and gluten free oats to hold them together) from a can.  I usually make the curry in a pot on the stove and use a George Foreman grill for the burgers.  Oh and I eat a lot of refried beans (tacos).  Sometimes I do 15 bean soup in a crock pot... I always feel like I gain 10 lbs afterwords.


I see a lot of beans eaten WITH grains. Black bean burgers with oats or GF bread crumbs, tacos (corn? and beans), curry with rice and chickpeas, falafel (in a pita?) hummus (on what? red pepper slices or rice cakes?)

I'm willing to bet that "15 bean soup" contains a mixture of beneficial, neutral AND avoid beans, and possibly barley as well.


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Beef is neutral for Gatherers and Explorers. It's not an avoid for any of the Genotypes that Os can be.


Beef is actually a diamond food on my Explorer food list. Some here are saying a Paleo diet isn't a good diet, yet some of us are forced to be on it. I can't have any grains, carbs bother me, dairy bothers me, most legumes bother me, what is left besides meats, veggies, fruits? Which is pretty much a Paleo diet, right?
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I have to wonder three things about legumes making you feel  bloated:

1) Which legumes are you eating? The legumes appropriate for Os, or the legumes we're supposed to avoid?

2) How are these legumes being prepared? The right preparation makes them much  easier to digest.

3) What are you eating the legumes with? Many people find that legumes and grains combined are hard to digest, but either one separately (with plenty of veggies and possibly animal protein too) digest just fine.


I always bloat too Ruthie, and suffer all night. I soak them and rinse well and still bloat, I just don't bother with them anymore, very hard to digest.  
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If things bother you something is not right with your gut, it needs some support.

Beans are not hard to digest if you have the right enzymes in the gut.


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If things bother you something is not right with your gut, it needs some support.

Beans are not hard to digest if you have the right enzymes in the gut.


I don't usually have a problem with beans, but, if they are old (how long have they been stored?) they can be more difficult, fresher is better.


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Today I realized that the paleo diet (and the blood type diet) is based on evolution.
I consider myself Christian so therefore I'm not really supposed to believe in all the caveman / evolution stuff. I keep thinking maybe I can just look at it from a health perspective, but I'm not sure how I would feel about it.
Any suggestions / ideas or links to topics talking about this?

First, I consider that Dr. D. has taken generally accepted scientific theory to explain some of the differences in blood type...  I don't take this to mean that the information is "based on evolution".  

I am a Christian, as well, and as such, I am supposed to take the best care I can of my body.  The best program I have ever found for caring for the body is BTD/GTD/SWAMI.  This will be what I use follow until somebody shows me a plan that has more thought and logic behind it than this does...


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Today I realized that the paleo diet (and the blood type diet) is based on evolution.
I consider myself Christian so therefore I'm not really supposed to believe in all the caveman / evolution stuff. I keep thinking maybe I can just look at it from a health perspective, but I'm not sure how I would feel about it.
Any suggestions / ideas or links to topics talking about this?


Evolution simply means that "things change over time".  You don't have to believe that humans evolved from primates or anything like that to recognize the process of evolution.  A virus mutating to become resistant to antibiotics, for instance, is an example of evolution.  I wouldn't get hung up on stuff like that.  I don't view the paleo diet as having anything to do with cavemen, I just view it as eating foods closer to what people should eat (ie whole, natural, unprocessed foods in their natural state).  As for the blood type diet, it is based on the differences of the different blood groups of people living here and now.  No cavemen involved


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I actually find veganism to be more selfish than some might see it at first light.

1. You do not support local farmers who raise meat, nor the symbiosis of a farm that functions better with diverse crops and animals.

2. It promotes the un-domestication of animals, which means forced evolution through survival of the fittest. Too many animals (chickens especially) can not live well un-domesticated. It would take a lot of selective breeding as you let all but the strongest die in the wild, then breed those strong ones. It is that or we take care of them indefinitely, but kill them and waste their bodies once they get to old to function right - the entire problem with un-domestication.

3. It promotes more unnecessary international trade which helps ruin the ocean.

My favorite new comparison.

You can replace the first part with any basic principle of the BTD. I used this one originally.

"Saying you tried the BTD as an O but continued eating wheat is like pushing water around from shore with a paddle, but claiming you went Kayaking."

If you want to do the BTD part minus the meat, you can, but you really do not follow the BTD at all; you just accented your diet with a lower harmful lectin intake.
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I actually find veganism to be more selfish than some might see it at first light.

1. You do not support local farmers who raise meat, nor the symbiosis of a farm that functions better with diverse crops and animals.

2. It promotes the un-domestication of animals, which means forced evolution through survival of the fittest. Too many animals (chickens especially) can not live well un-domesticated. It would take a lot of selective breeding as you let all but the strongest die in the wild, then breed those strong ones. It is that or we take care of them indefinitely, but kill them and waste their bodies once they get to old to function right - the entire problem with un-domestication.

3. It promotes more unnecessary international trade which helps ruin the ocean.

My favorite new comparison.

You can replace the first part with any basic principle of the BTD. I used this one originally.

"Saying you tried the BTD as an O but continued eating wheat is like pushing water around from shore with a paddle, but claiming you went Kayaking."

If you want to do the BTD part minus the meat, you can, but you really do not follow the BTD at all; you just accented your diet with a lower harmful lectin intake.

But the majority of meat is done on corporate farms, and like GMO and the industry forcing it more and more on the public regardless of what we want. So will that petri dish meat be the norm. First all the fast food restaurants will sneak it in on you, little by little your sausage will contain a small percentage according to the FDA. Let face it you and the corporations know the saving that will be made by eliminating the animal on the hoof and all the trouble it is to bring it to market.
I also take exception to you saying that by choosing another protein source I don't follow the BTD. Your all or nothing approach would eliminate many people here. I just see it as your bias for trying to disqualify someones efforts because it doesn't follow your belief system.
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I think it's all just choice.  I eat meat, and I'm cool with that; some people don't eat meat, and I'm cool with that too.  I wouldn't want someone pushing vegetariansim or veganism on me so I'm not going to push meat consumption on anyone else.


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I think it's all just choice.  I eat meat, and I'm cool with that; some people don't eat meat, and I'm cool with that too.  I wouldn't want someone pushing vegetariansim or veganism on me so I'm not going to push meat consumption on anyone else.

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I think it's all just choice.  I eat meat, and I'm cool with that; some people don't eat meat, and I'm cool with that too.  I wouldn't want someone pushing vegetariansim or veganism on me so I'm not going to push meat consumption on anyone else.


I like this too!

and, I don't agree with this:
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GMO and the industry forcing it more and more on the public regardless of what we want.
when the public learned about growth hormones in dairy cows they stopped buying milk with it, even Walmart doesn't carry it anymore :rBGH.


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Today I realized that the paleo diet (and the blood type diet) is based on evolution.
I consider myself Christian so therefore I'm not really supposed to believe in all the caveman / evolution stuff. I keep thinking maybe I can just look at it from a health perspective, but I'm not sure how I would feel about it.
Any suggestions / ideas or links to topics talking about this?


Matt, I don't think you have to concern yourself about mixing religion and diet philosophies here.  There is no doubt, no matter what you believe from an evolution standpoint, that the diet of our ancestors was much different than that of our diet today.  It would be safe to say that the diet of my grandparents was dramatically different from the diet today.  With the industrial revolution and more people moving to urban areas, the diet of the average human changed dramatically from home-grown sources of food to mass produced food, processed food and fast food.  I view the BTD/GTD as a "back to basics" diet.  It is a diet that our fairly recent ancestors would have eaten, as they did not have the same sources of food we have today.

Doesn't the Bible talk about "killing the fatted calf" as a way of celebration when the Prodigal Son returns?  People in biblical times were eating a very simple, "back to basics" home-grown diet as well.  


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I believe that they did not have nearly as much to eat overall instantly available, no matter what they ate.  To me, the calorie consumption matters as well...Dr. D has a post about caloric restriction and increased longevity.  

Today we have a lot of farming and mass produced food, fast food, etc.  We don't go hungry, but its a double edged sword.  Now we have to resist the instinct to eat fatty burgers, fried chicken, fries etc. (at least i do, i love the stuff!  We also have calorie rich drinks all around.  
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I believe that they did not have nearly as much to eat overall instantly available, no matter what they ate.  To me, the calorie consumption matters as well...Dr. D has a post about caloric restriction and increased longevity.  

Today we have a lot of farming and mass produced food, fast food, etc.  We don't go hungry, but its a double edged sword.  Now we have to resist the instinct to eat fatty burgers, fried chicken, fries etc. (at least i do, i love the stuff!  We also have calorie rich drinks all around.  


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Thanks for all the replies, everyone!

I think I'm going to take Vegan Joe's advice and stay vegan... go gluten free... and try to stick with the beneficial / neutral items in the food groups I do eat.

I posted a YouTube video on this subject.

Thanks, again!

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gluten causes a lot of problems for a lot of people so I hope it helps - good luck!


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Thanks for all the replies, everyone!

I think I'm going to take Vegan Joe's advice and stay vegan... go gluten free... and try to stick with the beneficial / neutral items in the food groups I do eat.

I posted a YouTube video on this subject.

Thanks, again!

- Matt

Thanks for any credit. But I know how ethical vegans think and I too could never enjoy eating animals as food. I have my memories of those great tasting foods and know any attempt at reliving those sensations would only fall far short of my memory. So I'll keep the memories and skip the what I know would be a failure to relive it.
Please keep us informed on your progress. Because this approach to health is so much more than a protein source although others would disagree. I Personally have noticed some changes such as flatulence, but will detail these greater when I redial in the diet as I jumped the fence for a family reunion, no animal though, but lots of wheat, corn etc..
Please don't forget us.
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Please keep us informed on your progress.


Yes, definitely keep us informed (although I guess you'll keep posting up-dates on youtube?)

Personally I think paleo makes sense, and I watched you're video in which you said that (at least in writing) paleo makes sense, but if the ethical implacations are what is most important to you then I understand your desire to remain vegan.  It's sort of like "meat virginity"; if you ate meat you could go back to being vegan, but you couldn't take back the fact that you had eaten meat.

butcher those carrots!


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Yes!  The less you eat, the longer you live.


Not really people who practice calorie restriction have higher rates of cancer.



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Not really people who practice calorie restriction have higher rates of cancer.



It probably depends on the extent of the calorie restriction (and the individual)?  In America, the tendancy is to take it to one end or the other - overeating or crash dieting to the point of eating next to nothing.  You shouldn't give your body too much, but also don't give it too little.  That sounds like common sense, but a lot of people don't follow it.  It reminds me of the Japanese (maybe it's a specific group or region) who say a sort of promise before eating, vowing that they will not overeat.


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Not really people who practice calorie restriction have higher rates of cancer.



I wasn't really talking about calorie restriction.  I was talking about overeating vs. eating the right amounts of food to satisfy your bodily needs.  I think it is safe to say that the average American overeats.  The "all you can eat" buffett, so to speak.

Didn't know about the calorie restriction and cancer link, though.  Thanks for sharing that.


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Thanks for all the replies, everyone!

I think I'm going to take Vegan Joe's advice and stay vegan... go gluten free... and try to stick with the beneficial / neutral items in the food groups I do eat.

I posted a YouTube video on this subject.

Thanks, again!

- Matt


Good luck, Matt!


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Not really people who practice calorie restriction have higher rates of cancer.

Sources please. Studies always fascinate me. Thanks!


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Not really people who practice calorie restriction have higher rates of cancer.



That depends on what you put in your body.  Absolutes are rarely the case with anything.  It leads to restriction of thought, which for me as an explorer is a no no!!!!!
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Sources please. Studies always fascinate me. Thanks!


Dr D'Adamo said it at the conference this year. Purchase the IfHI tapes and enjoy.




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I didn't catch that. What was the context? I have to go peek and see if the CD's are ready.  


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Dr D'Adamo said it at the conference this year. Purchase the IfHI tapes and enjoy.




OK, so somehow I missed that there were tapes available, where does one purchase them?


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Dr D'Adamo said it at the conference this year. Purchase the IfHI tapes and enjoy.




Interesting...glad i don't skip meals!

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calorie restriction yet nutrient dense is what leads to longevity....
not to forget the eating right for type or GT part!!!
lifestyle and activity levels as well as age are all computed into SWAMI


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calorie restriction yet nutrient dense is what leads to longevity....


This is my approach too, Lola.    I think of myself as eating only the amount of food and calories as my body needs in order to maintain ideal weight and health.  I don't eat any empty food or unneeded calories, but my nutrient intake is very rich and well-balanced.



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my MIL lived to be 100!
she ate like a bird.....lucid till the very end, yet she didn t eat right

I am convinced she would still be alive and kicking had she been following her O type nutrigenomic basic guidelines......


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From the things that I've read about Calorie Restrictive Diet. The factor that weighs in the most, as far as causes on extended longevity. It the fact the with a restrictive diet one puts less pressure on one's internal organs because they are not required to works hard or work overtime due to the processing of food intake. In simpler terms you don't wear your guts out as fast.


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calorie restriction yet nutrient dense is what leads to longevity....
not to forget the eating right for type or GT part!!!
lifestyle and activity levels as well as age are all computed into SWAMI




Some of what Dr. D did say was about fasting for short periods of time, not the same as calorie restriction to me.


Got s sneak peek of the CD's just to write a short article.




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In the qigong sense, eating too much a lot takes energy that could be used for healing and enhancing health into digesting and breaking down food instead.  When you are full, you can't concentrate as well and you don't perform as well physically...the energy is focused in the stomach.  But if you are hungry, you cannot either.  

The organs degenerate more quickly and the cells break down faster.  Thats what i learned in qigong  books by Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming.  Even drinks that are not water are food for the body.
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The term Calorie Restriction can mean different things.  The studies that were done by people looking quite emaciated, barely eating enough to stay alive, is not my approach to calorie restriction.  I probably eat 1/2 the volume of food that I ate for most of my life, yet the nutrient value of what I eat is head and shoulders above any of those years.  And the appropriateness of the foods for my own body is a pleasure to all my organs.  

As Easy E described, eating too much requires more energy than it contributes.  And as Vegan Joe said, I see no need to force my poor internal organs to overwork in order to process more food than my body needs.  I'm all for clean-burning fuel and an efficient internal 'motor'.  



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I believe that they did not have nearly as much to eat overall instantly available, no matter what they ate.  To me, the calorie consumption matters as well...Dr. D has a post about caloric restriction and increased longevity.  

Today we have a lot of farming and mass produced food, fast food, etc.  We don't go hungry, but its a double edged sword.  Now we have to resist the instinct to eat fatty burgers, fried chicken, fries etc. (at least i do, i love the stuff!  We also have calorie rich drinks all around.  


For me, personally, this just isn't true.  I've been counting calories since my first diet at age 10.  Restricting calories, FOR ME, is the surest way to mental food issues and regaining any weight I might have lost doing it through calorie restriction.

I have lost nearly 50 pounds since Feb 1, following the GTD only,and restricting my grain intake as much as I can without triggering mental food issues.  I absolutely do NOT count or restrict calories.  With the amount of fat that I eat each day (which keeps me out of the grains), I would guess my caloric intake to be relatively high, but it has had no effect on my continuing to lose weight.

Counting calories, FOR ME, doesn't work at all.  Just avoiding avoids, highlighting the bennies and keeping them in the forefront and eating a good variety and amount of neutrals - as well as exercising regularly - is all that I need to do!



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Yes!  The less you eat, the longer you live.


I absolutely do not agree.  This is the sort of blanket statement that goes completely against everything that we follow on these boards.

Perhaps,for SOME PEOPLE the less they eat,the longer they live, but I don't think that you can say that for everyone.



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I absolutely do not agree.  This is the sort of blanket statement that goes completely against everything that we follow on these boards.

Perhaps,for SOME PEOPLE the less they eat,the longer they live, but I don't think that you can say that for everyone.





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Ditto and Ditto.
This is the last place one should expect to find blanket/universal dietary rules.


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calorie restriction yet nutrient dense is what leads to longevity....
not to forget the eating right for type or GT part!!!
lifestyle and activity levels as well as age are all computed into SWAMI


Thank you, Lola.  This is what I meant.  


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Twinkie diet! Twinkie diet! Twinkie diet!

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Not really people who practice calorie restriction have higher rates of cancer.



Dr. D wrote in the Genotype Diet that Warriors "should not diet".  He also, states (here's the reference you want) on page 181 of Live Right 4 Your Type, that A's should avoid low-calorie diets. "Remember food deprivation is a huge stress. It raises cortisol leves, lowers metabolism, encourages fat storage, and depletes healthy muscle mass"   This is for A's .
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Can I pipe in here.. by saying:  If I ate as I once did, ate the wheat, the beans, the dairy and the foods sold in stores, then INDEED a calorie restrictive diet would be much healthier.. no doubt all that food would be taxing my body and I would be as ill as I once was..

Today I AM on the biggest food restriction regiment. DOING BTD is a food restriction. It restricts all the above mentioned stuff! It restricts all the mega dollars spent for medicines as prescribed by doctors to quiet all the 'sick' symptoms.. It restricts all the so called calorie free foods advertized so freely by some organizations.. It restricts all common argument to the contrary.. Food is not food..

BUT then in return I get foods that are so dense in NUTRIENTS that I can overcome ill health, overcome inertia and move about like a young chick in a mini skirt.  Calory dense foods I get on BTD/GENO/SWAMI is not the same as is the generally accepted stuff called food soda, and the like.  

YES the restriction of cakes, frosting and M&M's with peanuts is indeed a heavy burden for my joints and my internal systems to handle.  The internals the liver the kidneys, the pancreas all have to work so hard sorting out good from bad, that today they have the strength to do so, where years ago, they where so overwhelmed by pills I took, they all went into a slumber on my way to serious illness..

All that changed when I fed my body the few foods on my list, the calorie rich foods, value dense as can be, often times during the day, eaten with gusto and enjoyed to the last bite, ... then I shook those organs awake and they learned again to purr along, hum a tone and digest food to its proper value.. the intestines threw out the freeloaders called all sort of long sounding names and the good guys multiplied.. all is well with EMPTY (wrong) calories restrictions.. all is well with NUTRIENT DENSE FOODS >>> keep 'those' restrictions coming! indeed!


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For Type O's on page 124 of Live Right 4 Your Type. "Don't undereat or skip meals, especially if you're expending a lof of energy exercising. Food deprivation is a huge stress"
The same statement for B's on page 241 of Live Right 4 You're type  and on page 291 for AB's to not follow low calorie diets.  So unless he's changed his mind, Dr. D is not for calorie restriction.
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I'm a little surprised by the strong sentiments here.  After all, this is a DIET forum and many people on this forum are trying to lose weight.  Why?  Do people not assume it is more healthy to be at your proper weight, however that is calculated and measured by the individual?  Do people not think their internal organs and joints will function more optimally when the body does not have the stress of the added weight to deal with?  

I eat a lot of food too, although I only eat twice a day.  The food I eat, however, is not laden with sugar and bad fat.  I eat a nutrient-dense diet of organic veggies and fruits, which by their very nature are low in calories.  I have given up calorie-laden, nutrient-deficient, simple carbohydrates like processed foods, candy, pastries, breads, cereal, etc, and replaced those foods with nutient-rich complex carbs.  Is my calorie intake the same?  Maybe, maybe not.

I have given up mass produced, corn fed beef, farm-raised fish, and mass-produced poultry in exchange for grass-fed beef, wild caught fish and free range chicken.   Is my calorie intake the same?  Maybe, maybe not.

I have also given up unhealthy fats and use healthy fats in my diet.  However, as a non-secretor, I have to somewhat RESTRICT my fat intake, as I do not have the same IAP, responsible for breaking down dietary fat in the gut, as secretors have.




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I eat a lot of food too, although I only eat twice a day.  The food I eat, however, is not laden with sugar and bad fat.  I eat a nutrient-dense diet of organic veggies and fruits, which by their very nature are low in calories.  I have given up calorie-laden, nutrient-deficient, simple carbohydrates like processed foods, candy, pastries, breads, cereal, etc, and replaced those foods with nutient-rich complex carbs.  Is my calorie intake the same?  Maybe, maybe not.

I have given up mass produced, corn fed beef, farm-raised fish, and mass-produced poultry in exchange for grass-fed beef, wild caught fish and free range chicken.   Is my calorie intake the same?  Maybe, maybe not.

I have also given up unhealthy fats and use healthy fats in my diet.  However, as a non-secretor, I have to somewhat RESTRICT my fat intake, as I do not have the same IAP, responsible for breaking down dietary fat in the gut, as secretors have.



RIGHT ON!  

Like I said higher up.. what WE HERE call restrictions are called different words by others.. what we call hunger here is different then what others experience when they ate the foods that they ate when young..  

Dr D I don't think is going off his previous statements, but BY comparison to the diets of those who are NEW here we are restricted.. UNTIL THE NEWBIE realizes that we have other measurements by which we function.. we measure by quality first, then by health benefits, and by our own preferences to certain foods and menus, and then we measure by how we feel, we measure by the success in sleeping, drinking, working, exercising and so many other factors,... CALORIES come near last..

so RESTRICTIONS for us here are not restrictions in the true sense, but I actually see it as CALORIE additions.. and sugar related foods reduction.. we use different measuring sticks here, and no one on BTD would go hungry by choice.. at least not for some thing others have no understanding about like DIFFERENCES in BLOOD TYPE REQUIREMENTS.. we HERE do understand and those who do, learn to live by it.. without ever counting a calory.. getting healthier every day!


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Patty, I think you have the wrong definition of the word "diet". A diet is simply :
Quoted Text
–noun

food and drink considered in terms of its qualities, composition, and its effects on health
this part of the definition as far as I am concerned. When I stopped using the word "diet" as a verb and started thinking of it as a noun, my life got so much better and that stubborn 15lbs extra I was carrying around disappeared! It was easy to do with the BTD.


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You also need to know exactly what is meant by "calorie restriction." Are we talking 1500 calorie per day diets or 500 calorie per day diets?

I'm sure that many people today eat too much food, and this is a factor in many health problems. For those individuals, calorie restriction makes sense. For others, it's simply anorexia.


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A diet is simply :
this part of the definition as far as I am concerned. When I stopped using the word "diet" as a verb and started thinking of it as a noun, my life got so much better and that stubborn 15lbs extra I was carrying around disappeared! It was easy to do with the BTD.


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Patty, I think you have the wrong definition of the word "diet". A diet is simply :

Quoted Text
–noun

food and drink considered in terms of its qualities, composition, and its effects on health

this part of the definition as far as I am concerned. When I stopped using the word "diet" as a verb and started thinking of it as a noun, my life got so much better and that stubborn 15lbs extra I was carrying around disappeared! It was easy to do with the BTD.


Grey Rabbit, I totally agree with you.    Isn't exactly what I said in my previous post, that I have traded nutrient-deficient foods in favor of nutrient-dense foods?  I don't count calories, but I bet my nutrient-rich foods are lower in calories than my previous nutrient-deficient foods.  I eat foods from the different food groups I know are healthy and beneficial.  Even Dr. D uses the word "diet" in the title of the GenoType Diet book.

Ruthie, I totally agree with these statements as well.

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You also need to know exactly what is meant by "calorie restriction." Are we talking 1500 calorie per day diets or 500 calorie per day diets?

I'm sure that many people today eat too much food, and this is a factor in many health problems. For those individuals, calorie restriction makes sense. For others, it's simply anorexia.


From the limited amount I have read on longevity, there is a fine balance between not eating enough nutrient rich foods to sustain healthy longevity vs. eating food that consists of the nutrients required to sustain healthy longevity.  Less food in general, when that food is nutrient-dense food, is required to sustain health and longevity, assuming the person's nutritional needs are met.  Less is more, so to speak.    Obviously, a severely calorie-restricted diet that is nutrient deficient is not what these studies are talking about.

I think my statements have been totally misunderstood.  I hope this post helps to underscore what I meant by eat less, live longer.  


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Twinkie diet! Twinkie diet! Twinkie diet!

Hope someone smiled.




I know that diet well, having experienced it (as well as & sugar sandwiches on wheat) in my much younger years.


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For me, personally, this just isn't true.  I've been counting calories since my first diet at age 10.  Restricting calories, FOR ME, is the surest way to mental food issues and regaining any weight I might have lost doing it through calorie restriction.

I have lost nearly 50 pounds since Feb 1, following the GTD only,and restricting my grain intake as much as I can without triggering mental food issues.  I absolutely do NOT count or restrict calories.  With the amount of fat that I eat each day (which keeps me out of the grains), I would guess my caloric intake to be relatively high, but it has had no effect on my continuing to lose weight.

I am a pretty young explorer and i never counted calories either.  I came to this diet because i had bad acid reflux problems and i wanted to fix them.  I agree with your ideas of calorie counting and cutting the calories...esp for a gatherer.  My fiance is a gatherer, and that is the worst thing she could do.  For me, it would just feel like my stomach was eating itself!

Counting calories, FOR ME, doesn't work at all.  Just avoiding avoids, highlighting the bennies and keeping them in the forefront and eating a good variety and amount of neutrals - as well as exercising regularly - is all that I need to do!

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And i really think its the quality of the calories you are putting in that gives you the best fuel.  That is what attracts me to Dr. D's ideas.  Why put in more calories you can't use when you can put in the most efficient ones your body can use?  I like it!

When i was injured in the hospital, i ate just a few ensures a day, because i felt like c**p.  I went from 160 to 120 in three weeks.  Every person has unique calorie demands and uses different foods differently.  I burn food and do not hold on to any calories for long.  But the wrong calories cause acid reflux, lactose intolerance, etc.
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Hope someone smiled.


          


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Dr. D and I know Lola has said many times, just follow the diet eating beneficials and diamonds and you'll weigh what you should weigh. There's no need to restrict any more calories. The problem is we all cheat, or eat neutrals and don't exercise and that's why the weight isn't where it should be..
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Dr. D and I know Lola has said many times, just follow the diet eating beneficials and diamonds and you'll weigh what you should weigh. There's no need to restrict any more calories. The problem is we all cheat, or eat neutrals and don't exercise and that's why the weight isn't where it should be..
"Just follow the book...Do the work"


This is true, and once you get to where you want to be, then you can "cheat" once in a great while and not suffer too much. My weight balanced out about 5 or 6 years into the "diet" (think noun, not verb lol).


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This is true, and once you get to where you want to be, then you can "cheat" once in a great while and not suffer too much. My weight balanced out about 5 or 6 years into the "diet" (think noun, not verb lol).


That explains a lot. I've only been on the diet since 2008.   My weight is not where I want it to be fluctuating up and down..and being in M on top of it, is dragging it out making it harder for me.  
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If at the end we would be following the diet exactly, like portion size and frequency of seasonal foods, then maybe we would be some better size, but for those who came here overweight, it is not possible to be the best in weight without herculean effort spanning decades.  Overweight is something that requires more effort then eating for better health.. getting healthy is easier to do, reducing weight is much more difficult.  

I am discussing this in my post in HCG today a little more..


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If at the end we would be following the diet exactly, like portion size and frequency of seasonal foods, then maybe we would be some better size, but for those who came here overweight, it is not possible to be the best in weight without herculean effort spanning decades.  Overweight is something that requires more effort then eating for better health.. getting healthy is easier to do, reducing weight is much more difficult.  

I am discussing this in my post in HCG today a little more..


I was a really skinny, active kid.  I mean really skinny.  Then I hit age 18, had control over my own diet, and gained about 20-25 pounds.  Because I am so small, that amount of weight was A LOT for me.  I struggled with weight for about 7 years.  I met my husband, and the weight begin to come off.  I really think I was lonely and used food as a companion.  I have been married 26 years now and my weight has stayed fairly constant.  Usually up or down no more than three pounds.

The important thing here, is that people look at me and think I am thin and that I must just be thin, period.  That is very far from the truth.  I work at it on a daily basis.  I look at food like currency.  I don't spend my food currency on junk food or food that is bad for me.  I have been health conscious for many years now.  I cheat occasionally, but when I do cheat it is with something I really love, like ice cream or beer.  I would rather not eat than eat at a typical fast food restaurant, for instance.  I don't count calories, but I have certainly learned what I can and cannot eat to maintain my weight.

I wanted to share this story because I understand the struggle that people who are trying to lose weight go through.  I have been there.  In fact, I really let my weight get out of hand last spring/summer (too much beer and ice cream  ).  I hit peri-menopause last year on top of that.  In mid-October, I started the BTD to try and counteract my family history of heart disease.  The added benefit was that I lost the 10 pounds I had gained over the previous spring/summer.  I certainly plan to keep my weight in check, as this could directly impact my heart health.  I am exercising 5-6 times a week, which helps me maintain my weight when I do cheat. I think it is impossible to not allow yourself to cheat once in a while.  In my opinion, that is a recipe for disaster.  Controlled cheating is what has helped me to maintain my weight for over 26 years!  


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In my opinion, that is a recipe for disaster.  Controlled cheating is what has helped me to maintain my weight for over 26 years!


NO NO NO!! it’s the hormones of I hope a happy marriage that helps the situation.. I am laughing as I say that..

BUT honestly I believe its all hormones.. eating chicken with growth hormones for me does not make sense..

cheating comes in different forms.. some I think is perfectly logical.. I did no dairy for years.. but I ate ice-cream in summer.. choc ice-cream always.. who is to say that it was bad for me?  the choc is good the cream is neutral I believe -so that leaves the sugar and the additives.. I always ate Breyer who until last year was pure in all stuff with in it.. not any more, now.. but now I am thinking of making my own frozen something with whipcream and choc.. who knows what will come of it..

BUT as you see menopause is a nasty condition.. I would stay on whatever to get my period back.. Suzanne Somers.. or at least when I went on HCG (my other thread) it proved the point that we are affected by hormones.. the rest is all self flagellation.. we are humans, cheating is part of our DNA, cheating depends on why we are doing it and what we are doing it with..

for me cheating would be great IF I was doing it with a new lover, someone who turns on frequencies running around my brain, liver and the like.. going and staying on a diet would be much easier.. cheating is a state of mind, as much as it is food for the body.. IF ONE IS CAREFUL! and chooses wisely.. that goes for men and partners as much as food.. hahaha    so be extra good to your hubbie and make him do the work to keep you happy..  


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I met my husband, and the weight begin to come off.  I really think I was lonely and used food as a companion.  I have been married 26 years now and my weight has stayed fairly constant.  Usually up or down no more than three pounds.


Ha! funny because I would get heavy when I was in a relationship. I'd maintain a low weight when I was single. The only time I maintained a low weight was when I was eating like an A..vegetarian..before M.  
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NO NO NO!! it’s the hormones of I hope a happy marriage that helps the situation.. I am laughing as I say that..

BUT honestly I believe its all hormones.. eating chicken with growth hormones for me does not make sense..

cheating comes in different forms.. some I think is perfectly logical.. I did no dairy for years.. but I ate ice-cream in summer.. choc ice-cream always.. who is to say that it was bad for me?  the choc is good the cream is neutral I believe -so that leaves the sugar and the additives.. I always ate Breyer who until last year was pure in all stuff with in it.. not any more, now.. but now I am thinking of making my own frozen something with whipcream and choc.. who knows what will come of it..

BUT as you see menopause is a nasty condition.. I would stay on whatever to get my period back.. Suzanne Somers.. or at least when I went on HCG (my other thread) it proved the point that we are affected by hormones.. the rest is all self flagellation.. we are humans, cheating is part of our DNA, cheating depends on why we are doing it and what we are doing it with..

for me cheating would be great IF I was doing it with a new lover, someone who turns on frequencies running around my brain, liver and the like.. going and staying on a diet would be much easier.. cheating is a state of mind, as much as it is food for the body.. IF ONE IS CAREFUL! and chooses wisely.. that goes for men and partners as much as food.. hahaha    so be extra good to your hubbie and make him do the work to keep you happy..  


Ha, Ha, Goldie!!!  You crack me up!  I will tell my husband he has to continue to make me happy!      

PS:  I agree with hormones!  Mine screwed up EVERYTHING when I hit peri-menopause.  I believe the hormonal imbalance I was struggling with impacted my blood pressure, cholesterol, everything.  Now I am on bio-identical hormones and things seem to be back into balance  


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I'm not very religious either (I do consider myself christian, though), but as far as wrong or right goes I try to remember Romans 14:3 that basically says it doesn't matter what you eat because vegetarians and meat eaters are both welcome at God's table.



(Gospel of Thomas) "What goes into your mouth will not defile you; rather, it's what comes out of your mouth that will defile you."

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I really think I was lonely and used food as a companion.  

I work at it on a daily basis.  I look at food like currency.  I don't spend my food currency on junk food or food that is bad for me.  

I would rather not eat than eat at a typical fast food restaurant, for instance.  I don't count calories, but I have certainly learned what I can and cannot eat to maintain my weight.



Memorable quotes!  Thank you Patty!



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Ha! funny because I would get heavy when I was in a relationship. I'd maintain a low weight when I was single. The only time I maintained a low weight was when I was eating like an A..vegetarian..before M.  


Interesting!  One of my dear friends is like that, too!  Wonder what her bloodtype is    O's are supposed to do strenuous exercise.  That has certainly helped me with my weight while dealing with peri-menopause, but I guess that is not a good option for A's . . .


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Memorable quotes!  Thank you Patty!


Thank you, Victoria!


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(Gospel of Thomas) "What goes into your mouth will not defile you; rather, it's what comes out of your mouth that will defile you."


Also Matthew 15:11


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I haven't read all of this thread so apologies if this has already been said.

Most of us as we age are not so able to synthesise the amino acid, Taurine, esp those with type O blood.
It then becomes an essential AA.
On a forum for people with atrial fibrillation supplementing with taurine is recommended and I know of several vegetarians who have regained their heart and eye health by doing so - or even by changing to a paleo style diet.
Cats also develop heart and eye problems from lack of taurine in their diet.
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I'm not a type O, but I follow a combination of genotype diet (swami) and paleo.  Eliminating all grains has been the best dietary choice I've ever made  No way you could make me go back!


hey there.. can I ask what combo you use of both diets?  I'm interested to find out what folks are doing in the Paleo that maybe their GTD does not recommend or visa versa.. thanks!
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