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jayneeo
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May I suggest you try the Blood Type diet first? Swami is a personalized version and I ended up getting a lot of the type O BTD foods back on Swami, even though I;m a gatherer.
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Vegan Joe, that's great to know a vegan version of type o is do-able!
I may end up trying to correct my grains etc as you've suggested.
Thanks for the info!

Well doable in what sense of the word. I'm under the impression that to follow this diet correctly one would have to partake of animal products. My suggestion to you was to start with something you are already doing. That being grains and legumes (carbs) and see what effects you notice before testing the animal side of the equation. I don't think there is a vegan version per say , but just a vegan who follows all other food groups excluding animal, and settles for the results at that level of compliance.



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OGOL.... Just remember that balance is important.  I think one of the greatest lessons this way of eating has taught me is that I need to be someplace in the middle. Raw foodism is extremism, paleo is another extreme diet.
The BTD/GTD is a balance and health is about balance.

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http://www.pemphigus.org/wordpress/2011/06/pemphigus-the-best-thing-that-ever-happened-to-me/

Interesting story by Steve Shapiro, when illness is the best thing that ever happens to us. Causes us to rethink how we are living.


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Matt,
Many of the O's follow what would be close to a paleo diet.  I, for one, rarely eat any type of grains although I am allowed one serving daily.  If I eat out at a restaurant, I might have rice as opposed to eating a salad and veggie with my protein.  I view it as having a treat, since I do love carbs.  I generally eat carbs once a week or once every other week.  A bag of rice or quinoa will last months in my house as will a loaf of compliant bread.  Beans and legumes are allowed, but I only eat them when I go to a Mexican restaurant, which is probably four times a year.  Dairy is quite limited for most of us and is to be used as an occasional treat.  I get one serving of dairy per week.  Also, many of us do not use compliant sugar.  I am allowed agave syrup, but I rarely use it at all.  I might use it in cooking occasionally, but I never sweeten tea or other food.  Potatoes are also a no-no.

I think there is a lot of similarity in the way I eat for my type with the Paleo Diet.  The benefit of the BTD/GTD is that Dr. D focused on harmful effects of food lectins and healing your gut.  The health benefits of not eating foods that cause your immune system to go into overdrive are evident and positively impact all the systems of your body.


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The paleo diet is extreme today because there are so many readily available foods in all types of forms.  Even eating a paleo diet will not mimic the diet our ancestors consumed.  

The variation of plant and fruits they ate was probably far greater than people today eat.  And they also ate a wide range of seeds and nuts.  All fresh with no pesticides or fertilizers in them.  They contained a lot more nutrition.

The meat they ate when they were lucky enough to land a good source was leaner and not laced with antibiotics or grain fed.  They did not coat their meats with mustard, mayo, bbq sauce and the like (but they prob would have loved it!)  

They ate everything from frog, squirrel, and small game to deer, buffalo, and others.  The variation was far greater than most people consume today.  I live in a place where hunting and fishing are common, so i eat frog and squirrel and alligator on occassion  But even the meats naturally obtained can contain harmful substances.

Dairy did not really exist.  Whole grain foods in the processed form they exist in today did not exist.  If anyone ate this original diet, i think they would be in fantastic health.  To me, these newer additions are tolerated by some more than others. Maybe i am biased because I am an explorer and did not fare well on the A diet. But it would be very hard today to meet the variation and nutrition our ancestors got from eating a strict paleo diet today.
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Quoted from Easy E
The paleo diet is extreme today because there are so many readily available foods in all types of forms.  Even eating a paleo diet will not mimic the diet our ancestors consumed.  

The variation of plant and fruits they ate was probably far greater than people today eat.  And they also ate a wide range of seeds and nuts.  All fresh with no pesticides or fertilizers in them.  They contained a lot more nutrition.

The meat they ate when they were lucky enough to land a good source was leaner and not laced with antibiotics or grain fed.  They did not coat their meats with mustard, mayo, bbq sauce and the like (but they prob would have loved it!)  

They ate everything from frog, squirrel, and small game to deer, buffalo, and others.  The variation was far greater than most people consume today.  I live in a place where hunting and fishing are common, so i eat frog and squirrel and alligator on occassion  But even the meats naturally obtained can contain harmful substances.

Dairy did not really exist.  Whole grain foods in the processed form they exist in today did not exist.  If anyone ate this original diet, i think they would be in fantastic health.  To me, these newer additions are tolerated by some more than others. Maybe i am biased because I am an explorer and did not fare well on the A diet. But it would be very hard today to meet the variation and nutrition our ancestors got from eating a strict paleo diet today.


Squirrel?  What does squirrel taste like? It is a neutral on my SWAMI.


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Squirrel?  What does squirrel taste like? It is a neutral on my SWAMI.


I've always liked squirrel.  It's one of those things that pretty much just "tastes like chicken", I think.  Tougher texture than chicken though.


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Easy E you are correct, but you don't take it far enough, not only were the things you listed eaten, most of the rest of the animal was consumed including the organs,brain, liver, intestines, probably not lungs? too fluffy?(they are rather delicate). Not only did they eat seeds and nuts and wild fruits but insects too. It may have been a superior diet to what we can find now, but they didn't live very long lives, there is a trade-off.


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Not to hijack this thread, OK too late, I tend to disagree with the paleo picture people are painting. I think for the greater part of the human tribes and communities of the past the diet was restrictive and hard to come by due to local environmental conditions like growing seasons, plant and soil specificity due to location, animal migration, and hybernation etc.. I think the keeping of our ancestor's bellies full was pretty much a full time adventure that was usually limited in the types of food eaten in a given period or season.


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A high protein diet can be more versatile, hence more healthful, than a purely paleo-philosophy based one. Or any philosophy-based diet for that matter.


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Quoted from brinyskysail


I've always liked squirrel.  It's one of those things that pretty much just "tastes like chicken", I think.  Tougher texture than chicken though.


    


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If Jean M. Auel's research is correct, Paleo people DID eat some grains, collecting the seeds from wild grasses in the fall. They basically ate whatever they could  get their hands on- nuts, seeds, grains, vegetables, any and all meats they managed to obtain. In late winter/early spring, winter's food stores were mostly gone but nothing new was ready to eat yet. Dried herbs helped fill in nutritional gaps (at least when they had a medicine woman like the fictional Ayla to prepare "spring tonics" for the rest of the cave.)

If it wasnt' in season or stored from when it was in season, it couldn't be eaten. Their diets weren't always balanced, and they didn't always have enough to eat.

To eat a diet of modern foods, but omit root vegetables, grains, and legumes, isn't really a "Paleo" diet, although that's how the term is currently understood.

A type O on a modern "Paleo" diet would probably do well, since it is fairly close to the type O diet, or anyway it's closer to the O diet than it is to the B, AB, or A diets. Paleo is closer to the O diet than the SAD (standard american diet) or vegan diet is. For a type O vegan, Paleo isn't a bad choice. But, IMHO, following the Type O Diet would be an even healthier choice.


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I could defintaly not do a strict paleo diet unless there was nothing else there.  Sometimes carbs help me feel good!  And you can combine non meat sources to make complete proteins, like Dr. D says.  Good to have variety and be flexible.

Squirrel is good!  Alligator is in resturaunts here and in some sushi even!

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Matt, also, not all people desend from the paleolithic era.  Some people descended from the newer, Neolithic era.  These people, I assume would be blood type B and AB.

Dr. D's new book, The GenoType Diet, takes this into account and adjusts the diet accordingly.  As an O, the diets for Hunters and Gatherers, the older two GenoTypes is still different from one another.  O's can also be Explorers as well as other blood types.  Explorers are considered a "Newer Model" according to Dr. D.  The difference in the diets can be quite amazing.  For instance, Hunters can eat beef and beef is considered a superfood.  Beef is an avoid for Gatherers and I believe it is a neutral for Explorers.  If you end up being an Explorer or Gatherer, the Paleo Diet may not be as good for you.

The Paleo Diet is a "one size fits all" diet, whereas the BTD and GTD are individualized.  That is the main difference, IMHO.


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Beef is neutral for Gatherers and Explorers. It's not an avoid for any of the Genotypes that Os can be.


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Beef is neutral for Gatherers and Explorers. It's not an avoid for any of the Genotypes that Os can be.


Yes, I stand corrected.  You are right, Ruthie.  Beef liver is a better example.  It is a superfood for Hunters, an avoid for Gatherers and a neutral for Explorers, according to the book.


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A high protein diet can be more versatile, hence more healthful, than a purely paleo-philosophy based one. Or any philosophy-based diet for that matter.


A diet based on philosophy rather then physiology may not be the best choice.



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A diet based on philosophy rather then physiology may not be the best choice.



i think that is the hook though, veganism is usually perceived as a careful blending of the two.

(ex-veg of 10yrs)
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i think that is the hook though, veganism is usually perceived as a careful blending of the two.

(ex-veg of 10yrs)

By some but not all.


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True veganism is foremost about the animal, and all other so called truths are proclaimed under that banner. If it's not foremost about the animal then vegan doesn't pertain to you. Monickers like strict vegetarian, dietary vegan, etc. might better discribe you.


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honeybee, that link says the genotype diet is my best system.
I have the original genotype book, so I may look into that.
I'm not sure why, but the BTD is grabbing at me more fore some reason...
maybe because I'm a newbie?

gulfcoastguy, oh yeah!  I forgot about the online database.

strawberry
, wow a year on raw!  I could barely do 30 days.
Glad to hear the BTD is helping.

jayneeo, yes good suggestion.

Vegan Joe, I very much like that approach!
I may end up starting by going gluten free and see where that takes me.

And to your latter post, I tend to agree.

Andrea AWsec, that makes so much sense!
A freind basically told me the same thing right before I read that.
Thanks for the link!  I'll check that out.

And to your latter post, good saying!

Patty H, thanks for the info.
I'm starting to understand that the grain and beans in the recipes are netural...
and that it's just the gluten containing grain that o should avoid, right?

Easy E, good point!

grey rabbit, another good point.

Dr. D, another great explanation!

ruthiegirl, the blood type o diet led me to paleo...
but the science behind the BTD grabs at me more than the theory behind paleo.
There's so many people who say it's pseudo science, but I believe there is something to it.

Easy E, I could do a strict paleo diet as I tend to be all or nothing.
If I can do raw vegan for 30 days I could do paleo, lol.

Patty H, good point.  And I like your comparison between the two diets.
For some reason I don't like that hunter is separated from gatherer...
I like that the BTD just lists type o as a "hunter-gatherer".
However!  It's probably good to distinct between the two...
as I would have probably preferred to gather back then...
I could never see me hunting... I used to fish, but never hunted.

honeybee, veganism is perceived in tons of different ways.
Health, ethics / animal compassion / animal cruelty / animal rights,
environment, spiritualism, rebellion (mostly teens, lol) etc etc etc.

And yes, Vegan Joe is correct.
True veganism... the actual lifestyle (not just diet) is about the animal.
We don't eat, wear and (to a certain practical extent) use animal products or products tested on animals.
PETA, along with the tons of books I've read (going back 9 years now), has really got me on their side lol.

Most people are ignorant (that's not an insult) about factory farming / animal cruelty etc...
As a teenager (interested at eighteen) I saw it as a way to be healthy and help reduce animal cruelty.

Now as a 26 year old adult I'm starting to question my decision and maybe eat free range meat.
Those types of people always annoyed me as a vegan, but I can see where they're coming from.

Anyway... back to the subject lol.

Yesterday I saw a copy of ER4YT at a used bookstore (where I found my copy) for $2.
I went there today to buy it for a co-worker and a lady grabbed it right before I did!
On the upside, I found a copy of LR4YT there so I bought it.
I think I might wait to see if I'm going to do this (or a variation of this) before buying CR4YT.

I'm going to relax on my couch tonight and read more of ER4YT, Genotype and LR4YT.
I also found a Paleo book there too.  I may end up taking it back if I don't do it.

I must say, the blood type diet is sounding more balanced than straight up paleo.
I'm thinking of taking Vegan Joe's recommendation of eating right 4 my vegan type basically lol.
I mean, I might stay vegan now and just follow Dr. D's recommendations for the food groups I do eat.

I still have lots of reading and figuring out to do.

I really appreciate all the comments!  You guys rock!
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I'll be honest I have'nt read everyones answers to you I can only tell you how BTD has helped me. I have never been vegetarian but I have gone in times in my life where I have'nt eaten as much meat as I do now, during those times I felt so lethargic, I had terrible acne and I was 60lbs overweight. I started BTD just from reading DrD's original book and started implementing small changes in my life, I cut out all grains (except brown organic rice) milk (I only drink almond milk) and upping my protein (meat for me) intake.

I also hired a personal trainer for a few months (money is tight so I could'nt do it for longer, wish I could have) anyway by implementing these small changes I have lost 35 lbs (I know it would definitely be more but I have *stalled* a bit over the summer in terms of exercise   My body definitely craves for me to eat meat and when I do I cannot explain the satisfying, feeling I get. My skin has cleared up so much and in fact I keep getting compliments at work about how superb my skin, hair and body look overall.

I am a firm believer in listening to your body and no one on this planet is going to fit into a *one size fits all* diet, listen to what your body is needing or craving in that moment you are in. If you choose to not include meat in your diet maybe there is a type of bean or other protein source that can be substituted. Again I am not into the whole GTD or SWAMI .. at this point only doing the BTD which is so basic but still for me has been life changing. Good luck and welcome  


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vegan-ism was started by a blood type A person. which is a bit selfish if you ask me.

If a blood type O person said everyone should eat Meat it would be equally unfair.

I rather prefer the norm which , although I'm not very religious, and that is as good intended it.


so if it's okay for a Lion to eat a Deer, it's okay for me to eat buffalo.



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vegan-ism was started by a blood type A person. which is a bit selfish if you ask me.

Which one of them? (Sorry just trying to keep it real)

In July 1943, Leslie Cross, a member of the Leicester Vegetarian Society, wrote to its newsletter, The Vegetarian Messenger, expressing concern that vegetarians were still eating dairy products. In August 1944, two members of the Leicester society, Donald Watson (1910–2005) and Elsie \\\"Sally\\\" Shrigley (died 197, suggested forming a subgroup of non-dairy vegetarians. When this was rejected, they and five others met at the Attic Club in Holborn, London, to discuss setting up a separate organization.[4] Suggestions for a concise term to replace non-dairy vegetarian included dairyban, vitan, benevore, sanivore, and beaumangeur, but Watson decided on \\\"vegan\\\"—pronounced \\\"veegun\\\" (/ˈviːɡən/), with the stress on the first syllable—the first three and last two letters of vegetarian. From Wikipedia.
Also was wondering when was the last time you hunted a buffalo. Please don\'t be upset with me. But just trying to draw out the the true analogy.


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