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san j
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Ditto and Ditto.
This is the last place one should expect to find blanket/universal dietary rules.


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calorie restriction yet nutrient dense is what leads to longevity....
not to forget the eating right for type or GT part!!!
lifestyle and activity levels as well as age are all computed into SWAMI


Thank you, Lola.  This is what I meant.  


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Twinkie diet! Twinkie diet! Twinkie diet!

Hope someone smiled.


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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Quoted from Andrea AWsec


Not really people who practice calorie restriction have higher rates of cancer.



Dr. D wrote in the Genotype Diet that Warriors "should not diet".  He also, states (here's the reference you want) on page 181 of Live Right 4 Your Type, that A's should avoid low-calorie diets. "Remember food deprivation is a huge stress. It raises cortisol leves, lowers metabolism, encourages fat storage, and depletes healthy muscle mass"   This is for A's .
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Can I pipe in here.. by saying:  If I ate as I once did, ate the wheat, the beans, the dairy and the foods sold in stores, then INDEED a calorie restrictive diet would be much healthier.. no doubt all that food would be taxing my body and I would be as ill as I once was..

Today I AM on the biggest food restriction regiment. DOING BTD is a food restriction. It restricts all the above mentioned stuff! It restricts all the mega dollars spent for medicines as prescribed by doctors to quiet all the 'sick' symptoms.. It restricts all the so called calorie free foods advertized so freely by some organizations.. It restricts all common argument to the contrary.. Food is not food..

BUT then in return I get foods that are so dense in NUTRIENTS that I can overcome ill health, overcome inertia and move about like a young chick in a mini skirt.  Calory dense foods I get on BTD/GENO/SWAMI is not the same as is the generally accepted stuff called food soda, and the like.  

YES the restriction of cakes, frosting and M&M's with peanuts is indeed a heavy burden for my joints and my internal systems to handle.  The internals the liver the kidneys, the pancreas all have to work so hard sorting out good from bad, that today they have the strength to do so, where years ago, they where so overwhelmed by pills I took, they all went into a slumber on my way to serious illness..

All that changed when I fed my body the few foods on my list, the calorie rich foods, value dense as can be, often times during the day, eaten with gusto and enjoyed to the last bite, ... then I shook those organs awake and they learned again to purr along, hum a tone and digest food to its proper value.. the intestines threw out the freeloaders called all sort of long sounding names and the good guys multiplied.. all is well with EMPTY (wrong) calories restrictions.. all is well with NUTRIENT DENSE FOODS >>> keep 'those' restrictions coming! indeed!


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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For Type O's on page 124 of Live Right 4 Your Type. "Don't undereat or skip meals, especially if you're expending a lof of energy exercising. Food deprivation is a huge stress"
The same statement for B's on page 241 of Live Right 4 You're type  and on page 291 for AB's to not follow low calorie diets.  So unless he's changed his mind, Dr. D is not for calorie restriction.
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I'm a little surprised by the strong sentiments here.  After all, this is a DIET forum and many people on this forum are trying to lose weight.  Why?  Do people not assume it is more healthy to be at your proper weight, however that is calculated and measured by the individual?  Do people not think their internal organs and joints will function more optimally when the body does not have the stress of the added weight to deal with?  

I eat a lot of food too, although I only eat twice a day.  The food I eat, however, is not laden with sugar and bad fat.  I eat a nutrient-dense diet of organic veggies and fruits, which by their very nature are low in calories.  I have given up calorie-laden, nutrient-deficient, simple carbohydrates like processed foods, candy, pastries, breads, cereal, etc, and replaced those foods with nutient-rich complex carbs.  Is my calorie intake the same?  Maybe, maybe not.

I have given up mass produced, corn fed beef, farm-raised fish, and mass-produced poultry in exchange for grass-fed beef, wild caught fish and free range chicken.   Is my calorie intake the same?  Maybe, maybe not.

I have also given up unhealthy fats and use healthy fats in my diet.  However, as a non-secretor, I have to somewhat RESTRICT my fat intake, as I do not have the same IAP, responsible for breaking down dietary fat in the gut, as secretors have.




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I eat a lot of food too, although I only eat twice a day.  The food I eat, however, is not laden with sugar and bad fat.  I eat a nutrient-dense diet of organic veggies and fruits, which by their very nature are low in calories.  I have given up calorie-laden, nutrient-deficient, simple carbohydrates like processed foods, candy, pastries, breads, cereal, etc, and replaced those foods with nutient-rich complex carbs.  Is my calorie intake the same?  Maybe, maybe not.

I have given up mass produced, corn fed beef, farm-raised fish, and mass-produced poultry in exchange for grass-fed beef, wild caught fish and free range chicken.   Is my calorie intake the same?  Maybe, maybe not.

I have also given up unhealthy fats and use healthy fats in my diet.  However, as a non-secretor, I have to somewhat RESTRICT my fat intake, as I do not have the same IAP, responsible for breaking down dietary fat in the gut, as secretors have.



RIGHT ON!  

Like I said higher up.. what WE HERE call restrictions are called different words by others.. what we call hunger here is different then what others experience when they ate the foods that they ate when young..  

Dr D I don't think is going off his previous statements, but BY comparison to the diets of those who are NEW here we are restricted.. UNTIL THE NEWBIE realizes that we have other measurements by which we function.. we measure by quality first, then by health benefits, and by our own preferences to certain foods and menus, and then we measure by how we feel, we measure by the success in sleeping, drinking, working, exercising and so many other factors,... CALORIES come near last..

so RESTRICTIONS for us here are not restrictions in the true sense, but I actually see it as CALORIE additions.. and sugar related foods reduction.. we use different measuring sticks here, and no one on BTD would go hungry by choice.. at least not for some thing others have no understanding about like DIFFERENCES in BLOOD TYPE REQUIREMENTS.. we HERE do understand and those who do, learn to live by it.. without ever counting a calory.. getting healthier every day!


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Patty, I think you have the wrong definition of the word "diet". A diet is simply :
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–noun

food and drink considered in terms of its qualities, composition, and its effects on health
this part of the definition as far as I am concerned. When I stopped using the word "diet" as a verb and started thinking of it as a noun, my life got so much better and that stubborn 15lbs extra I was carrying around disappeared! It was easy to do with the BTD.


Good for you EquiPro, you go girl!


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You also need to know exactly what is meant by "calorie restriction." Are we talking 1500 calorie per day diets or 500 calorie per day diets?

I'm sure that many people today eat too much food, and this is a factor in many health problems. For those individuals, calorie restriction makes sense. For others, it's simply anorexia.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Quoted from grey rabbit
A diet is simply :
this part of the definition as far as I am concerned. When I stopped using the word "diet" as a verb and started thinking of it as a noun, my life got so much better and that stubborn 15lbs extra I was carrying around disappeared! It was easy to do with the BTD.


That's a keeper.  


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Patty, I think you have the wrong definition of the word "diet". A diet is simply :

Quoted Text
–noun

food and drink considered in terms of its qualities, composition, and its effects on health

this part of the definition as far as I am concerned. When I stopped using the word "diet" as a verb and started thinking of it as a noun, my life got so much better and that stubborn 15lbs extra I was carrying around disappeared! It was easy to do with the BTD.


Grey Rabbit, I totally agree with you.    Isn't exactly what I said in my previous post, that I have traded nutrient-deficient foods in favor of nutrient-dense foods?  I don't count calories, but I bet my nutrient-rich foods are lower in calories than my previous nutrient-deficient foods.  I eat foods from the different food groups I know are healthy and beneficial.  Even Dr. D uses the word "diet" in the title of the GenoType Diet book.

Ruthie, I totally agree with these statements as well.

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You also need to know exactly what is meant by "calorie restriction." Are we talking 1500 calorie per day diets or 500 calorie per day diets?

I'm sure that many people today eat too much food, and this is a factor in many health problems. For those individuals, calorie restriction makes sense. For others, it's simply anorexia.


From the limited amount I have read on longevity, there is a fine balance between not eating enough nutrient rich foods to sustain healthy longevity vs. eating food that consists of the nutrients required to sustain healthy longevity.  Less food in general, when that food is nutrient-dense food, is required to sustain health and longevity, assuming the person's nutritional needs are met.  Less is more, so to speak.    Obviously, a severely calorie-restricted diet that is nutrient deficient is not what these studies are talking about.

I think my statements have been totally misunderstood.  I hope this post helps to underscore what I meant by eat less, live longer.  


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Twinkie diet! Twinkie diet! Twinkie diet!

Hope someone smiled.




I know that diet well, having experienced it (as well as & sugar sandwiches on wheat) in my much younger years.


Knowledge is power.  SWAMI gives you the diet that will unlock the key to better health, and it's all based on your unique individuality.
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For me, personally, this just isn't true.  I've been counting calories since my first diet at age 10.  Restricting calories, FOR ME, is the surest way to mental food issues and regaining any weight I might have lost doing it through calorie restriction.

I have lost nearly 50 pounds since Feb 1, following the GTD only,and restricting my grain intake as much as I can without triggering mental food issues.  I absolutely do NOT count or restrict calories.  With the amount of fat that I eat each day (which keeps me out of the grains), I would guess my caloric intake to be relatively high, but it has had no effect on my continuing to lose weight.

I am a pretty young explorer and i never counted calories either.  I came to this diet because i had bad acid reflux problems and i wanted to fix them.  I agree with your ideas of calorie counting and cutting the calories...esp for a gatherer.  My fiance is a gatherer, and that is the worst thing she could do.  For me, it would just feel like my stomach was eating itself!

Counting calories, FOR ME, doesn't work at all.  Just avoiding avoids, highlighting the bennies and keeping them in the forefront and eating a good variety and amount of neutrals - as well as exercising regularly - is all that I need to do!

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And i really think its the quality of the calories you are putting in that gives you the best fuel.  That is what attracts me to Dr. D's ideas.  Why put in more calories you can't use when you can put in the most efficient ones your body can use?  I like it!

When i was injured in the hospital, i ate just a few ensures a day, because i felt like c**p.  I went from 160 to 120 in three weeks.  Every person has unique calorie demands and uses different foods differently.  I burn food and do not hold on to any calories for long.  But the wrong calories cause acid reflux, lactose intolerance, etc.
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Twinkie diet! Twinkie diet! Twinkie diet!

Hope someone smiled.


          


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Dr. D and I know Lola has said many times, just follow the diet eating beneficials and diamonds and you'll weigh what you should weigh. There's no need to restrict any more calories. The problem is we all cheat, or eat neutrals and don't exercise and that's why the weight isn't where it should be..
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Dr. D and I know Lola has said many times, just follow the diet eating beneficials and diamonds and you'll weigh what you should weigh. There's no need to restrict any more calories. The problem is we all cheat, or eat neutrals and don't exercise and that's why the weight isn't where it should be..
"Just follow the book...Do the work"


This is true, and once you get to where you want to be, then you can "cheat" once in a great while and not suffer too much. My weight balanced out about 5 or 6 years into the "diet" (think noun, not verb lol).


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This is true, and once you get to where you want to be, then you can "cheat" once in a great while and not suffer too much. My weight balanced out about 5 or 6 years into the "diet" (think noun, not verb lol).


That explains a lot. I've only been on the diet since 2008.   My weight is not where I want it to be fluctuating up and down..and being in M on top of it, is dragging it out making it harder for me.  
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If at the end we would be following the diet exactly, like portion size and frequency of seasonal foods, then maybe we would be some better size, but for those who came here overweight, it is not possible to be the best in weight without herculean effort spanning decades.  Overweight is something that requires more effort then eating for better health.. getting healthy is easier to do, reducing weight is much more difficult.  

I am discussing this in my post in HCG today a little more..


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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If at the end we would be following the diet exactly, like portion size and frequency of seasonal foods, then maybe we would be some better size, but for those who came here overweight, it is not possible to be the best in weight without herculean effort spanning decades.  Overweight is something that requires more effort then eating for better health.. getting healthy is easier to do, reducing weight is much more difficult.  

I am discussing this in my post in HCG today a little more..


I was a really skinny, active kid.  I mean really skinny.  Then I hit age 18, had control over my own diet, and gained about 20-25 pounds.  Because I am so small, that amount of weight was A LOT for me.  I struggled with weight for about 7 years.  I met my husband, and the weight begin to come off.  I really think I was lonely and used food as a companion.  I have been married 26 years now and my weight has stayed fairly constant.  Usually up or down no more than three pounds.

The important thing here, is that people look at me and think I am thin and that I must just be thin, period.  That is very far from the truth.  I work at it on a daily basis.  I look at food like currency.  I don't spend my food currency on junk food or food that is bad for me.  I have been health conscious for many years now.  I cheat occasionally, but when I do cheat it is with something I really love, like ice cream or beer.  I would rather not eat than eat at a typical fast food restaurant, for instance.  I don't count calories, but I have certainly learned what I can and cannot eat to maintain my weight.

I wanted to share this story because I understand the struggle that people who are trying to lose weight go through.  I have been there.  In fact, I really let my weight get out of hand last spring/summer (too much beer and ice cream  ).  I hit peri-menopause last year on top of that.  In mid-October, I started the BTD to try and counteract my family history of heart disease.  The added benefit was that I lost the 10 pounds I had gained over the previous spring/summer.  I certainly plan to keep my weight in check, as this could directly impact my heart health.  I am exercising 5-6 times a week, which helps me maintain my weight when I do cheat. I think it is impossible to not allow yourself to cheat once in a while.  In my opinion, that is a recipe for disaster.  Controlled cheating is what has helped me to maintain my weight for over 26 years!  


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In my opinion, that is a recipe for disaster.  Controlled cheating is what has helped me to maintain my weight for over 26 years!


NO NO NO!! it’s the hormones of I hope a happy marriage that helps the situation.. I am laughing as I say that..

BUT honestly I believe its all hormones.. eating chicken with growth hormones for me does not make sense..

cheating comes in different forms.. some I think is perfectly logical.. I did no dairy for years.. but I ate ice-cream in summer.. choc ice-cream always.. who is to say that it was bad for me?  the choc is good the cream is neutral I believe -so that leaves the sugar and the additives.. I always ate Breyer who until last year was pure in all stuff with in it.. not any more, now.. but now I am thinking of making my own frozen something with whipcream and choc.. who knows what will come of it..

BUT as you see menopause is a nasty condition.. I would stay on whatever to get my period back.. Suzanne Somers.. or at least when I went on HCG (my other thread) it proved the point that we are affected by hormones.. the rest is all self flagellation.. we are humans, cheating is part of our DNA, cheating depends on why we are doing it and what we are doing it with..

for me cheating would be great IF I was doing it with a new lover, someone who turns on frequencies running around my brain, liver and the like.. going and staying on a diet would be much easier.. cheating is a state of mind, as much as it is food for the body.. IF ONE IS CAREFUL! and chooses wisely.. that goes for men and partners as much as food.. hahaha    so be extra good to your hubbie and make him do the work to keep you happy..  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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I met my husband, and the weight begin to come off.  I really think I was lonely and used food as a companion.  I have been married 26 years now and my weight has stayed fairly constant.  Usually up or down no more than three pounds.


Ha! funny because I would get heavy when I was in a relationship. I'd maintain a low weight when I was single. The only time I maintained a low weight was when I was eating like an A..vegetarian..before M.  
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NO NO NO!! it’s the hormones of I hope a happy marriage that helps the situation.. I am laughing as I say that..

BUT honestly I believe its all hormones.. eating chicken with growth hormones for me does not make sense..

cheating comes in different forms.. some I think is perfectly logical.. I did no dairy for years.. but I ate ice-cream in summer.. choc ice-cream always.. who is to say that it was bad for me?  the choc is good the cream is neutral I believe -so that leaves the sugar and the additives.. I always ate Breyer who until last year was pure in all stuff with in it.. not any more, now.. but now I am thinking of making my own frozen something with whipcream and choc.. who knows what will come of it..

BUT as you see menopause is a nasty condition.. I would stay on whatever to get my period back.. Suzanne Somers.. or at least when I went on HCG (my other thread) it proved the point that we are affected by hormones.. the rest is all self flagellation.. we are humans, cheating is part of our DNA, cheating depends on why we are doing it and what we are doing it with..

for me cheating would be great IF I was doing it with a new lover, someone who turns on frequencies running around my brain, liver and the like.. going and staying on a diet would be much easier.. cheating is a state of mind, as much as it is food for the body.. IF ONE IS CAREFUL! and chooses wisely.. that goes for men and partners as much as food.. hahaha    so be extra good to your hubbie and make him do the work to keep you happy..  


Ha, Ha, Goldie!!!  You crack me up!  I will tell my husband he has to continue to make me happy!      

PS:  I agree with hormones!  Mine screwed up EVERYTHING when I hit peri-menopause.  I believe the hormonal imbalance I was struggling with impacted my blood pressure, cholesterol, everything.  Now I am on bio-identical hormones and things seem to be back into balance  


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