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thatoneguyonline
Thursday, July 21, 2011, 1:24am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Hello!  My name is Matt, I'm 26 and live in Indianapolis.  I've been vegetarian for about 6 years (vegan for 3).  I have a YouTube Channel where I'm known for posting vegan / raw food recipes and doing cleanses / fasts etc.  I recently ate raw vegan for 30 days and during that time I got to the point where I started being honest with myself and realized how much I miss meat... and no it wasn't "detox" lol.  I've always craved meat since going veg back in 2005, eating raw just intensified it.

I've become interested in the blood type diet and have discovered that my blood type is O+.  I was shocked to see that the recommended diet is a hunter-gatherer diet and am trying to decide if I want to try it.  After 3 years of being vegan I'm still overweight / sluggish with no energy (I also have psoriasis) and grain being the problem is a completely new concept to me.  It makes sense though as our paleolithic ancestors didn't eat grain.

Has anyone or do you know of anyone who has successfully gone from vegan to the blood type O diet with good results (weight loss, feeling better, more energy etc)?  The main reason I went veg was to avoid heart disease and cancer that runs in my family.  I was told by PETA and books etc that meat is the thing to avoid - so again, the grain theory is lingering in the back of my head.

If I were to do the blood type diet I would go totally paleo and just stick with lean meat, non-starchy vegetables and fruit that doesn't agglutinate type O blood.  There would be no dairy (which I'm already used to), gluten / grain or beans / legumes which is what Dr. D'Adamo recommends, right?  I'm still in the process of reading the book... so sorry about the newbie questions lol.  I'm also interested in the paleo diet, but I like that the blood type diet lists beneficial, neutral and avoid food depending on how it effects type O blood whereas the paleo diet says everybody should eat how the first hunter-gatherers ate.

So, basically, I want to know:

Has any type O vegans switched to the blood type diet with good results?
If I strictly follow the type O recommendations would that be considered eating paleo?

I'm thinking about trying it out for 30 days and documenting it on YouTube... I document everything on YouTube lol.  I keep thinking that I should call it The Blood Type O Paleo Diet or say that I eat the blood type O diet paleo style.  Most paleo diet people, from what I can tell so far, don't believe in the blood type diet.  I know Dr. Cordain says Dr. D'Adamo has the history wrong, like type A was actually the first blood type etc.  I don't really care about the history... I care about how food effects blood (like the grain thing).

Anyway, I figure when asked why I don't eat certain things I could use the blood type answer first (it agglutinates blood) and the paleo answer second (because our paleolithic anccestors didn't eat it).  I could also expose more paleo people to the blood type diet when they do YouTube seaches.  I don't know... these are just thoughts at the moment.

Anyway, that's my introduction.  I'm vegan and thinking about switching to the blood type O diet (paleo style) and need to know why I should and if anyone else has.  I'm not 100% convinced that I should switch, but I'm also not 100% happy with being vegan.

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Wow! Welcome  and yes we have a few that have moved from vegan to O diet.
  

Go slow and you will see the changes, grassfed meat... might want to start with bone broth.


The others will be along soon.


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"Do not try to satisfy your vanity by teaching a great many things. Awaken people's curiosity. It is enough to open minds; do not overload them." Anatole France

"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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Wow! Welcome  and yes we have a few that have moved from vegan to O diet.

Great!  I hope to hear from them.

Indianapolis has a few health food stores that offer free range / grass fed meat.  I'm a regular at a store (Nature's Pharm) right down the street from where I work and we have a Whole Foods about 30 minutes from where I live.

I've vegan mostly for health, but the ethics / animal cruelty part has grown on me.  I know buying local / free range meat helps fight against factory farms... but I'm still not sure I can bring myself to eating it.

That's why I'm here...

I want to make a decision by September first.
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Hi Matt,  my name is Patty.  I was not, nor have I ever been a vegan or vegetarian, but I specifically chose the BTD because I have severe heart disease in my family.  In fact, I am the youngest of four.  My siblings are 65 - brother type O, almost 64 - brother type A, and 60 - sister type A.  I am 53, almost 54.  I am the only one of my family who has not had bypass surgery.  My two type A siblings both had heart attacks and went into cardiac arrest.  My A brother had a heart attack at 53 and my sister was 59.  All of my male cousins on my dad's side of the family have heart disease.  My father and his siblings all died of heart disease between the ages of 43 and 65.  I would say that I have pretty severe heart disease in my family and my doctor coins it as a VERY SIGNIFICANT family history.

When I went for my annual physical in September 2010 (before my sister's heart attack) my BP was up, my CRP-Cardio was in the high risk range and my cholesterol was up.  I am not overweight.  I am 5'2" and weigh about 110.  In September I was ten pounds heavier, but still not considered overweight, so it was not being overweight that was driving my bad test results.  It was my family history.

I started the diet in mid-October 2010 and specifically chose the BTD because it reduces inflammation in the body.  Inflammation can lead to heart disease, if one is pre-disposed.

I am feeling much better, I have more energy, I am exercising, I lost ten pounds and can probably only lose a pound or two if that, and my blood pressure is much better.  I get my blood tests done again this fall and am hoping for better results.  People comment all the time on how great I look.

Dr. D'Adamo says that O's pathway to heart disease is through carbohydrate intolerance.  Dairy and sugar are bad too!

I don't have cancer in my family, but I know that Dr. D has a lot of specific information about cancer.  His mom died of cancer, so it seems to be a subject near and dear to his heart.

Best of luck with your journey.  Introduce the meat slowly.  I recommend you start with fish.  In fact, I eat more fish than meat because of my family heart disease and it works great for me!
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Wow, Patty, that's amazing!  Really great to hear!

Thanks for the link Andrea!  I'll take a look at that.
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Hey, Oneguy! Welcome! I went from 26 yrs of vegetarianism (never vegan) to BTD for type O! Trust me ....it was the best health move I ever made!   I, and so many others, have restored our health by eating for our blood type.....your body is crying for animal protein. Yes, I too, became senstive to the killing involved in meat-eating, but I couldn't deny the results. If our bodies are made to do best on meat,, who am I to say it is wrong? (Still, one wishes meat grew on trees!)
I like the paleo style of eating, too! I am currently grain and legume free. I have cured myself of chronic asthma. There's tons of posts on this subject in the archives. Oh, and I started by using digestive enzymes to help me acclimate to meat....don't need em anymore.
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Hey, Oneguy! Welcome! I went from 26 yrs of vegetarianism (never vegan) to BTD for type O! Trust me ....it was the best health move I ever made!

Wow!  That's amazing!

See, that's why I'm here.  I need to hear success stories to actually get me to do this.  Right now I'm still "pure" and very nervous about changing.

I wish I would have heard about the blood type diet in 1996... although I was only 11 back then lol.

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Eliminating all grains has been the best dietary choice I've ever made  No way you could make me go back!

Good to know, thanks!
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Ooh, a neighbor! Welcome! I am also in Indiana.

As a B Nomad, I have to eat meat as well. I was vegan for a good 7 years and ate a lot of soy. I had allergies and health issues that did not resolve as a result. I notice that I crave meat/liver when my immune system is at a low point. If you are in relatively good health, you may be able to keep the veganism going. I know there is a Vegan O type who posts here. You may want to get in touch with him.


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Hi Matt,

I was vegan for 5 years. Mostly for ethical reasons. I had an experience one day of touching a raw  chicken breast and my mind made me think I was handling raw human skin. I freaked out. Ever since then I couldn't touch or even eat meat!

But in 2010, my body began to break down and I just wasn't feeling well. I had weird latent cravings for seafood. I kept thinking I was hallucinating or something    Haha

As a kid, I was raised strictly on fish and seafood.

My first animal protein experience was shrimp. And I could barely bring myself to touch the little shrimp bodies. It was not easy at all and a horrible experience.

I used to go to animal rights demonstrations! I really thought I was losing my sanity. I even had nightmares of killing animals as I began to eat animal protein again. Yeah, not easy at all.

But slowly I started eating fish again. I began to feel much better day by day. Got rid of the soy too! Nasty stuff for O's.

Anyway, everyone has their own unique experience. I can say I have WAY more energy now and my grey hairs are stopping from growing. My weight has dropped too. Woohoo!

I still have issues eating animal protein but I try to think of other things so I don't get freaked out again.

Good luck with your experience! Keep us informed.
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passionprincess, Wow!  7 years of vegan to meat... that's incredible.  I crave meat almost every time I'm hungry, lol.  I've pretty much have had it (physically), but could keep it going as I've though about trying to do vegan blood type o / paleo (oxymoron?).  Yes, I would love to get in touch with that person.

Sooks, wow what a story!  So glad to hear about the energy (that's my problem).
That definitely helps me in wanting to experiment.
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One way of looking at it...if you're not getting results with your current diet, what have you got to lose?  Since it is basically the complete opposite of what you are eating now, I'm sure it would be a big adjustment, but it would be worth it if you get results (which I think you would )


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Good point.  The only thing is veganism is more than about diet.  My ethics play a role in it too and I have to get over the idea that eating meat = bad.  I know it sounds weird, but that's what I've drilled into my head for the past 6 years.
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My ethics play a role in it too and I have to get over the idea that eating meat = bad.  I know it sounds weird, but that's what I've drilled into my head for the past 6 years.


Yes, I still have an issue with it. Not sure if it will ever go away!

I still will never eat lamb or veal, for example. That's totally not in my "reality box".

There's still guilt associated with eating animal protein in general for me. It's hard but the alternative is that I feel crappy physically.

In the end, my human interest wins. Selfish? Maybe. It's a trade-off of sorts.

Like I said, I just think of other things while I eat it so I don't end up freaking out again.  
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Good point.  The only thing is veganism is more than about diet.  My ethics play a role in it too and I have to get over the idea that eating meat = bad.  I know it sounds weird, but that's what I've drilled into my head for the past 6 years.


I understand, but as Sooks pointed out, if it comes down to feeling bad about consuming meat or feeling bad physically, you need to decide which is personally more offensive for you.


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I do understand about the ethical dilema.  I love animals.  In fact I have six pets; three dogs and three cats.  I used to have two ferrets because my neighbor found one that someone had obviously dumped and it ran into her garage.  We kept him and adopted a friend for him.  Our daughter rescued a cat in Arizona while she was attending college and he is now here with us.  I have rescued more stray animals and birds with broken wings than I can remember.

I did try to be a vegetarian at one point in my life and it was a disaster.  I felt terrible.  I recently joined a meat co-op from a local farm where most of the animals (cattle, lambs, rabbits, chickens and other birds) are all allowed to roam.  They are totally grass-fed up until the end of their life.  I feel better about that choice because I can go to the farm and see that the animals have a nice existance and are not being mistreated.  I try to be grateful and thankful for the gift of food.  I think about the current famine in Somalia and other parts of the world and I know how lucky I am to have the gift of abundant food.

I just recently learned about a fish co-op in my area and I plan to look into that as well.  I am assuming the fish will be locally wild-caught fish.  I eat twice the amount of fish as I do red meat and poultry because of the heart disease in my family.  My diet suits me, as I love fish.  I only eat red meat a couple of times a week and once in a while I eat poultry.
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Hi Matt,

I was vegan for 5 years. Mostly for ethical reasons. I had an experience one day of touching a raw  chicken breast and my mind made me think I was handling raw human skin. I freaked out. Ever since then I couldn't touch or even eat meat!

But in 2010, my body began to break down and I just wasn't feeling well. I had weird latent cravings for seafood. I kept thinking I was hallucinating or something    Haha

As a kid, I was raised strictly on fish and seafood.

My first animal protein experience was shrimp. And I could barely bring myself to touch the little shrimp bodies. It was not easy at all and a horrible experience.

I used to go to animal rights demonstrations! I really thought I was losing my sanity. I even had nightmares of killing animals as I began to eat animal protein again. Yeah, not easy at all.

But slowly I started eating fish again. I began to feel much better day by day. Got rid of the soy too! Nasty stuff for O's.

Anyway, everyone has their own unique experience. I can say I have WAY more energy now and my grey hairs are stopping from growing. My weight has dropped too. Woohoo!

I still have issues eating animal protein but I try to think of other things so I don't get freaked out again.

Good luck with your experience! Keep us informed.


Matt and Sooks-
I can relate, I was vegan for 15 years, and then started eating fish, then chick... I love seafood, however, I am trying to incorporate more grass fed beef into my diet.

I still have issues about the ethical reasoning, but I overcome them. It is a work in progress

Energy is high, and I feel much more grounded. Stick with it, everything will get better in time.
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Welcome, Matt!  
It makes me happy that you are approaching your health with an open mind.  It is so easy to get into an ethical trap and just stay there even though the door to change is always open.
I was a vegetarian for more than 20 years, vegan off and on for part of that time, raw food eater for a year or two.  I began to eat that way for ethical reasons and also I was convinced that it was the healthiest way to eat.  

In the beginning, I felt great, lighter, cleaner -- my skin glowed.  But gradually, my health began a subtle downslide.  I lost muscle tone, gained weight, experienced depression and lethargy, had chronic sinusitis, low energy.  After 10 years, my appendix ruptured.  This was after a year of being a raw foodie.  I still persisted with my non-meat path (not being a quitter ), until I got breast cancer.  Right around that time, a friend told me about the Blood Type Diet and I went to hear a talk about it.  I got my blood typed and noticed that I was eating nearly all avoids, and eating nearly none of the foods that were good for me as a type B.  

I am a Non-Secretor, which is an important thing to find out, because it further personalizes the food choices and can make a difference in the success you experience.  Non-Secretors need more meat than Secretors, for example.

I purchased a lamb chop and fully expected to get sick if I tried to eat it.  I didn't think that I could psychologically handle it or physically digest it.  Wow, was I wrong.  I pan-seared it on both sides, sat down at the computer for a minute, while I chewed my first bite.  Suddenly I looked down at the plate and it was gone -- gnawed clean to the bone.  I had literally scarfed it down!  I have honestly not looked back.  I followed the BTD for Non-Secretors for more than a decade and when Dr. D came out with his next level of individualized eating, about 4 years ago, I moved to his Genotype plan, which helped me to fine-tune even more my eating for my own body.

I have lost weight down to my college size, skin has cleared, sleep has improved, energy has stabilized, digestion is impressive.  It feels as if the clock is turning backwards.  I'm healthier than I have ever been.

I suggest that you get a secretor test, if you're able to do so.  This will allow you to give the BTD a real chance.  And get a copy of LR4YT, even if you check it out from the library.  It will help you with the whole lifestyle approach of a type O, with whichever secretor status you are.



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Welcome!

I think it woudl be wonderful if you documented your changes on YouTube- just think of all the people who can learn about BTD that way!

Keep on reading the BTD books before you get started. The O diet doesn't need to be Paleo, and it doesn't even need to be gluten-free. Many individuals do well on gluten-free diets, and a few do well without any grains, but neither is required to follow BTD. You can still have rye and spelt (gluten containing grains) along with gluten-free grains such as rice and quinoa, and a few beans. The key is to eat the right quantities of these foods: 1 or 2 servings of grains per day, not 6-11, beans a few times a week, not several times a day, and never as the "main protein" of a meal.


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Have you heard about this lady? Liere Keith, former vegan. Could be good reading.
http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.....ivorism-episode-334/
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I know Dr. Cordain says Dr. D'Adamo has the history wrong, like type A was actually the first blood type etc.  I don't really care about the history... I care about how food effects blood (like the grain thing).


Dr. Cordain is intellectually dishonest about this and quite a few other things.. like when and where he first came across the concept of food lectins causing disease, a concept he manages to now wholeheartedly evangelize.

When a scientist uses a mass market book as the basis for a scientific criticism they are either dumb or lazy.

Sour grapes, but true.


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Welcome one guy,
If we all "listened" to our bodies more we would draw our conclusions from truth & not be bombarded by others opinions.
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Wow!  Great replies!

Sooks, I imagine I would have an issue with veal at this point as well.
I would possibly try lamb though as a local international grocery store sells it.
I don't think putting health before ethics (which is what I'm working on) is selfish.

brinyskysail, at this point I'm tired of feeling physically sub-par.

Vegan Joe, that's great to know a vegan version of type o is do-able!
I may end up trying to correct my grains etc as you've suggested.
Thanks for the info!

Lola, thanks for the links!  I'll check them out.

EquiPro, great story!
You sound like me... thinking about PETA videos trying to make the cravings go away.
I'm glad you mentioned becoming super-sensitive to wheat from drastically cutting it out,
I almost worry about that (if I were to go totally paleo) as I'm an all or nothing type of person.

Also, to your latter post, that's incredible that you found a market that will do that for you!

Easy E, I agree and good to know.

Patty H, Good to know.  I may end up going the co-op CSA route if I end up changing my diet.

Mayflowers, I agree.  Unfortunately that will probably never happen.

marjorie, wow!  Vegan for 15 years!  Yes, I think diet is something I'll always work on as well.

Victoria, yes I felt great (as a vegan) in the beginning as well for about the first 6 months.
Then I gained all my weight back and felt just as lethargic and sluggish as before.
I am interested in finding out my secretor status, sounds important.
Good to know you were able to get healthy from this!

grey rabbit
, I tend to agree.  I think that praying or thanking the animal before eating is great!

And to your latter post, I usually start with Google for research lol.

ruthiegirl, Yes!  I will document whatever I end up doing on YouTube.
It's a great way to document and get the word out there.

From reading the book, especially Cook Right, I can tell it's not "paleo" specific.
I may end up cutting gluten from my diet first and taking it from there.

jayneeo, I've heard of that book - but I don't know much about her.  I'll check that out, thanks!

Dr. D, I'm always glad to to hear your explanations!
And thanks for posting on my topic.  I really appreciate it.

ruthiegirl, whatever works!

kauaian, Yep... that's what I'm trying to do - listen to my body.

SoCalSandy, great story!  glad to know this is working for you as well.

SandrAruba, I sure will let you know what I end up doing.
I want to take August to research and then start (if I change) on September first.
That's my plan as of right now, anyway.

Easy E, true true.

Captain_Janeway, great to know - thanks!

So, today I took a look at Cook Right 4 Your Type and realized that almost every meal on almost every day contains non-paleo food (mostly grain or beans).  I'm confused as type O should drastically reduce grains and beans.  I'm guessing they threw a lot of neutral food into the meal plans so it doesn't sound strict possibly?  Anyway, I'm an all or nothing type of person so if I'm going to do this I could see myself wanting to cut out all grain and beans (paleo).

So... I'm like should I follow the blood type diet and just choose paleo food or Should I follow the paleo diet and try to generally avoid food that agglutinates type o blood?

Basically I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to be a blood type dude, a paleo dude or both (or neither) lol.  Or should I do the blood type diet and then graduate to genotype / SWAMI?  So many options, the fun part is figuring it out.

Anyway, thanks for all the replies so far!
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As a newbie I'm still a little confused.
Is the genotype diet to be used in conjunction with the blood type diet or is that something totally different?

I have the genotype book too and noticed that hunter is separated from gatherer... whereas the type o diet is just a "hunter-gatherer" diet.  So the food list for hunter and gatherer is a little different then just eating type o, right?  I haven't done all the measurements or anything with genotype, but I "think" from what I can tell so far I would be a gatherer since I'm about 6 ft tall and weigh about 215 right now.  For some reason ER4YT type is grabbing at me more than genotype, though.  And thoughts of wanting to go "paleo" or do it paleo style keeps coming up.  I think because sometimes paleo people comment on my vegan videos lol.

I'm also confused as to what SWAMI even is... lol.
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As a newbie I'm still a little confused.
Is the genotype diet to be used in conjunction with the blood type diet or is that something totally different?
... I'm also confused as to what SWAMI even is... lol.


If you are unsure wether to go GTD or BTD look here
http://www.dadamo.com/which_diet_is_right.htm

SWAMI Xpress is a personalized software app that you enter all your stats into and it gives you a blended BTD/GTD report inc food lists and other recs, HTH!
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Cook Right is one of Dr. D's older books. Some of the ingredients don't agree with his later research. You can find the later food values on the typebase using the icons at the top of the page. A secretor test would help you narrow down your food choices. We have recipebase in the icons also. This contains recipes submitted by many members and tells if the recipe is suitable for your particular bloodtype.
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