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great video!

on meat and animal fat.....
read about CLA content in the fat of grass fed free range organic animal sources
CLA (Conjugated Linoleic Acid)
it is essential to us Os as well
look for sources of grass-fed beef: It's leaner and contains more conjugated linolenic acid (CLA) than commercial meat sources.


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Please don't put words in my mouth that I did not say.

First of all, I am an A, so it would be a ridiculous thing for me to say "I wish I were an A"



I believe that he was addressing the statement to you, rather than quoting you.  



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Ah animals. We are the same matter you and me.
Our bond is astonishing, my admiration is deep, I am consoled by your existence.



I would not agree with the live trade of factory bred, doped up humans either!

Read about epigenetics? Lot's here on this very site.
Once your child is capable of thinking & acting for itself - by then it may be too late, the damage may already be done (philosophical and genetic)

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Andrea AWsec, veganism has never really felt natural to me... that's another problem I've had with it.

And to you later post, I didn't quote you lol.  I was saying I wish I (me) were an A blood type so I could feel more inclined to stay vegan.

Goldie, thanks for the info.

Sasha999, glad you are already feeling better.

And to your later post, you can often find gluten free (dedicated soil) rolled oats in health food stores.

ruthiegirl, I agree you don't need to totally avoid gluten / grain and legumes.  The all or nothing part of me like that the paleo diet totally avoids them, though.  I'm still trying to figure out if I want to include them in my diet.  I may end up just trying to be a gluten free vegan.

Lola, thanks!  I'll look into that.

Victoria, exactly.

honeybee, I've never read about epigenetics.  I'll look into that, too.

Today I asked a personal trainer at the gym about paleo and he's never heard of it.  He said he doesn't recommend cutting any food groups out of your diet.  That would bring me back to the blood type diet (as it doesn't cut any food groups out completely).  I don't know, though.  I don't care about dairy (I'm already used to not consuming it as a vegan), grain makes me feel lethargic and legumes make me feel bloated.  So I feel I could live without those things, but not sure.

Anyway, I'm going to relax and read some books.
I'm reading 5 books right now between Dr. D'Adamo's work and the paleo diet.
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I have to wonder three things about legumes making you feel  bloated:

1) Which legumes are you eating? The legumes appropriate for Os, or the legumes we're supposed to avoid?

2) How are these legumes being prepared? The right preparation makes them much  easier to digest.

3) What are you eating the legumes with? Many people find that legumes and grains combined are hard to digest, but either one separately (with plenty of veggies and possibly animal protein too) digest just fine.


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Quoted Text
and the ranchers could become farmers and grow many crops as it takes 12 times the land to grow animals as it does to grow crops.


You have never been to the southwestern US have you? lol

good luck on your journey!


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Andrea AWsec, veganism has never really felt natural to me... that's another problem I've had with it.

And to you later post, I didn't quote you lol.  I was saying I wish I (me) were an A blood type so I could feel more inclined to stay vegan.


Wasn't me that said you misquoted... was another blood type A.

I think you are really special this takes alot of guts.



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Quoted from Andrea AWsec

I think you are really special this takes alot of guts.


word!

and the same for the fact that you are willing to even consider up-ending your way of life.  Some people become too lazy, too scared, too stubborn, too whatever to even think about changing parts of their lives, even if those parts have become problems.  In the end, no matter what you decide, I will know that you have truly thought about each potential path and each potential outcome and chosen the one that you believe is best so I'll totally respect your decision  


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ruthiegirl, I eat a lot of chickpeas (rice and curry, felafel burgers, hummus etc) and black beans (burgers with gluten free bread crumbs and gluten free oats to hold them together) from a can.  I usually make the curry in a pot on the stove and use a George Foreman grill for the burgers.  Oh and I eat a lot of refried beans (tacos).  Sometimes I do 15 bean soup in a crock pot... I always feel like I gain 10 lbs afterwords.

grey rabbit, nope, never.  And thanks.

Andrea AWsec, woops!  Sorry about that, lol.  That was meant for SandrAruba.  And, thanks!

brinyskysail, thanks!  I'm trying not to be dogmatic, anymore.

Today I realized that the paleo diet (and the blood type diet) is based on evolution.
I consider myself Christian so therefore I'm not really supposed to believe in all the caveman / evolution stuff. I keep thinking maybe I can just look at it from a health perspective, but I'm not sure how I would feel about it.
Any suggestions / ideas or links to topics talking about this?
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Forget the evolution stuff don't get hung up on it.


We have a load of christians following this way of eating, including a guy who writes for Creation Magazine.


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Quoted from thatoneguyonline
ruthiegirl, I eat a lot of chickpeas (rice and curry, felafel burgers, hummus etc) and black beans (burgers with gluten free bread crumbs and gluten free oats to hold them together) from a can.  I usually make the curry in a pot on the stove and use a George Foreman grill for the burgers.  Oh and I eat a lot of refried beans (tacos).  Sometimes I do 15 bean soup in a crock pot... I always feel like I gain 10 lbs afterwords.


I see a lot of beans eaten WITH grains. Black bean burgers with oats or GF bread crumbs, tacos (corn? and beans), curry with rice and chickpeas, falafel (in a pita?) hummus (on what? red pepper slices or rice cakes?)

I'm willing to bet that "15 bean soup" contains a mixture of beneficial, neutral AND avoid beans, and possibly barley as well.


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Quoted from ruthiegirl
Beef is neutral for Gatherers and Explorers. It's not an avoid for any of the Genotypes that Os can be.


Beef is actually a diamond food on my Explorer food list. Some here are saying a Paleo diet isn't a good diet, yet some of us are forced to be on it. I can't have any grains, carbs bother me, dairy bothers me, most legumes bother me, what is left besides meats, veggies, fruits? Which is pretty much a Paleo diet, right?
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I have to wonder three things about legumes making you feel  bloated:

1) Which legumes are you eating? The legumes appropriate for Os, or the legumes we're supposed to avoid?

2) How are these legumes being prepared? The right preparation makes them much  easier to digest.

3) What are you eating the legumes with? Many people find that legumes and grains combined are hard to digest, but either one separately (with plenty of veggies and possibly animal protein too) digest just fine.


I always bloat too Ruthie, and suffer all night. I soak them and rinse well and still bloat, I just don't bother with them anymore, very hard to digest.  
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If things bother you something is not right with your gut, it needs some support.

Beans are not hard to digest if you have the right enzymes in the gut.


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Quoted from Andrea AWsec
If things bother you something is not right with your gut, it needs some support.

Beans are not hard to digest if you have the right enzymes in the gut.


I don't usually have a problem with beans, but, if they are old (how long have they been stored?) they can be more difficult, fresher is better.


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Today I realized that the paleo diet (and the blood type diet) is based on evolution.
I consider myself Christian so therefore I'm not really supposed to believe in all the caveman / evolution stuff. I keep thinking maybe I can just look at it from a health perspective, but I'm not sure how I would feel about it.
Any suggestions / ideas or links to topics talking about this?

First, I consider that Dr. D. has taken generally accepted scientific theory to explain some of the differences in blood type...  I don't take this to mean that the information is "based on evolution".  

I am a Christian, as well, and as such, I am supposed to take the best care I can of my body.  The best program I have ever found for caring for the body is BTD/GTD/SWAMI.  This will be what I use follow until somebody shows me a plan that has more thought and logic behind it than this does...


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Today I realized that the paleo diet (and the blood type diet) is based on evolution.
I consider myself Christian so therefore I'm not really supposed to believe in all the caveman / evolution stuff. I keep thinking maybe I can just look at it from a health perspective, but I'm not sure how I would feel about it.
Any suggestions / ideas or links to topics talking about this?


Evolution simply means that "things change over time".  You don't have to believe that humans evolved from primates or anything like that to recognize the process of evolution.  A virus mutating to become resistant to antibiotics, for instance, is an example of evolution.  I wouldn't get hung up on stuff like that.  I don't view the paleo diet as having anything to do with cavemen, I just view it as eating foods closer to what people should eat (ie whole, natural, unprocessed foods in their natural state).  As for the blood type diet, it is based on the differences of the different blood groups of people living here and now.  No cavemen involved


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I actually find veganism to be more selfish than some might see it at first light.

1. You do not support local farmers who raise meat, nor the symbiosis of a farm that functions better with diverse crops and animals.

2. It promotes the un-domestication of animals, which means forced evolution through survival of the fittest. Too many animals (chickens especially) can not live well un-domesticated. It would take a lot of selective breeding as you let all but the strongest die in the wild, then breed those strong ones. It is that or we take care of them indefinitely, but kill them and waste their bodies once they get to old to function right - the entire problem with un-domestication.

3. It promotes more unnecessary international trade which helps ruin the ocean.

My favorite new comparison.

You can replace the first part with any basic principle of the BTD. I used this one originally.

"Saying you tried the BTD as an O but continued eating wheat is like pushing water around from shore with a paddle, but claiming you went Kayaking."

If you want to do the BTD part minus the meat, you can, but you really do not follow the BTD at all; you just accented your diet with a lower harmful lectin intake.
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I actually find veganism to be more selfish than some might see it at first light.

1. You do not support local farmers who raise meat, nor the symbiosis of a farm that functions better with diverse crops and animals.

2. It promotes the un-domestication of animals, which means forced evolution through survival of the fittest. Too many animals (chickens especially) can not live well un-domesticated. It would take a lot of selective breeding as you let all but the strongest die in the wild, then breed those strong ones. It is that or we take care of them indefinitely, but kill them and waste their bodies once they get to old to function right - the entire problem with un-domestication.

3. It promotes more unnecessary international trade which helps ruin the ocean.

My favorite new comparison.

You can replace the first part with any basic principle of the BTD. I used this one originally.

"Saying you tried the BTD as an O but continued eating wheat is like pushing water around from shore with a paddle, but claiming you went Kayaking."

If you want to do the BTD part minus the meat, you can, but you really do not follow the BTD at all; you just accented your diet with a lower harmful lectin intake.

But the majority of meat is done on corporate farms, and like GMO and the industry forcing it more and more on the public regardless of what we want. So will that petri dish meat be the norm. First all the fast food restaurants will sneak it in on you, little by little your sausage will contain a small percentage according to the FDA. Let face it you and the corporations know the saving that will be made by eliminating the animal on the hoof and all the trouble it is to bring it to market.
I also take exception to you saying that by choosing another protein source I don't follow the BTD. Your all or nothing approach would eliminate many people here. I just see it as your bias for trying to disqualify someones efforts because it doesn't follow your belief system.
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I think it's all just choice.  I eat meat, and I'm cool with that; some people don't eat meat, and I'm cool with that too.  I wouldn't want someone pushing vegetariansim or veganism on me so I'm not going to push meat consumption on anyone else.


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I think it's all just choice.  I eat meat, and I'm cool with that; some people don't eat meat, and I'm cool with that too.  I wouldn't want someone pushing vegetariansim or veganism on me so I'm not going to push meat consumption on anyone else.

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I think it's all just choice.  I eat meat, and I'm cool with that; some people don't eat meat, and I'm cool with that too.  I wouldn't want someone pushing vegetariansim or veganism on me so I'm not going to push meat consumption on anyone else.


I like this too!

and, I don't agree with this:
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GMO and the industry forcing it more and more on the public regardless of what we want.
when the public learned about growth hormones in dairy cows they stopped buying milk with it, even Walmart doesn't carry it anymore :rBGH.


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Today I realized that the paleo diet (and the blood type diet) is based on evolution.
I consider myself Christian so therefore I'm not really supposed to believe in all the caveman / evolution stuff. I keep thinking maybe I can just look at it from a health perspective, but I'm not sure how I would feel about it.
Any suggestions / ideas or links to topics talking about this?


Matt, I don't think you have to concern yourself about mixing religion and diet philosophies here.  There is no doubt, no matter what you believe from an evolution standpoint, that the diet of our ancestors was much different than that of our diet today.  It would be safe to say that the diet of my grandparents was dramatically different from the diet today.  With the industrial revolution and more people moving to urban areas, the diet of the average human changed dramatically from home-grown sources of food to mass produced food, processed food and fast food.  I view the BTD/GTD as a "back to basics" diet.  It is a diet that our fairly recent ancestors would have eaten, as they did not have the same sources of food we have today.

Doesn't the Bible talk about "killing the fatted calf" as a way of celebration when the Prodigal Son returns?  People in biblical times were eating a very simple, "back to basics" home-grown diet as well.  


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I believe that they did not have nearly as much to eat overall instantly available, no matter what they ate.  To me, the calorie consumption matters as well...Dr. D has a post about caloric restriction and increased longevity.  

Today we have a lot of farming and mass produced food, fast food, etc.  We don't go hungry, but its a double edged sword.  Now we have to resist the instinct to eat fatty burgers, fried chicken, fries etc. (at least i do, i love the stuff!  We also have calorie rich drinks all around.  
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