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sk8ter
Tuesday, July 1, 2014, 1:15pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I am also following this thread with interest...I love my local honey but it sure spikes my blood sugar levels!



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I am reading a book called The Great Cholesterol Myth by Johnny Bowden, Ph.D., C.N.S. and Stephen Sinatra, M.D., F.A.C.C. (he is a cardiologist) and it appears from reading this book that ALL SUGAR is bad.

http://authoritynutrition.com/coconut-sugar/

This article pretty much says the same thing.  Sugar is addictive and should be weaned from on's diet.  It is nothing more than empty calories that pack a very destructive punch over the long term.  REading this book will really put you off sugar.  While some may argue that the theories posited in the above referenced book could be considered a one-size-fits-all approach to a healthy heart, I think the Blood Type Diet and the Geno Type Diet rate sugar as pretty much bad for all.
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This is only my second week&stevia is an avoid for B's.What about palm sugar as a substitute? Honey&agave have such high calories to use in my morning coffee.
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I use coconut sugar in baking sometimes it has a nice caramel flavour


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Quoted from Patty H
I think the Blood Type Diet and the Geno Type Diet rate sugar as pretty much bad for all.

For all Non-Secretors, that is.
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?409



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While it may be considered neutral for secretors, it can cause a whole host of problems related to diabetes, metabolic syndrome, heart disease, cancer, etc.  There is a lot of information out there concerning the use and overuse of sugar.  It is an addictive substance and the more you eat, the more your want.   It has ZERO nutritive value and just adds calories and weight.  Since all carbs metabolize to sugar, eliminating sugar in any form other than from complex carbohydrates is a great first step towards health, wellness and weight control - just my humble opinion.  Cancer cells feed on sugar.  Heart disease, diabetes and metabolic syndrome can develop due to overuse of sugar and are all made worse by sugar.

I am not advocating that one needs to give it up altogether - an occasional dessert is ok - but to use sugar as a daily sweetener is asking for trouble because there is no daily allowance for sugar since it has no nutritive value.  This article says that only 10% of all calories should come from sugar.  Here is the article.  

http://www.foodpolitics.com/2013/02/lets-ask-marion-whats-the-recommended-daily-allowance-of-sugar/

If you have any questions or concerns about the dangers of eating sugar, please watch Robert Lustig's video, Sugar: The Bitter Truth.  Hopefully it will help you to re-think your daily use of sugar as an added sweetener.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
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I think the Blood Type Diet and the Geno Type Diet rate sugar as pretty much bad for all.

For all Non-Secretors, that is.
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?409

The Bloodtype Diet actually "rates" sugar as a neutral for all secretors (i.e., approx. 80% of all humanity) per this site's TypeBase page and the books.


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Agree patty not to mention sugar is the primary cause of inflammation in the body


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The Bloodtype Diet actually "rates" sugar as a neutral for all secretors (i.e., approx. 80% of all humanity) per this site's TypeBase page and the books.[/quote]

Yes - I saw your other post with the typebase rating.  That still does not mean that one should consume sugar daily.  It is the cause of many major, serious health issues.  It is surprising to me that typebase rates it a neutral for secretors, given all that is now known about the negative effects of sugar consumption.  What typebase does not tell is what amount of sugar one should consume daily.  That would be good to know.  I imagine that Dr. D still wants secretors to consume very small amounts of sugar, given its complete lack of nutritive value and its well-known impact on disease.

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Agree patty not to mention sugar is the primary cause of inflammation in the body


Yes - and inflammation is where most diseases begin.
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TypeBase may rate sugar as neutral for secretors but my SWAMI rates sugar, white and brown as black dots. serving is 0-1tsp as needed.  It is an avoid for me obviously but was for many years before I was diabetic. Their are zero health benefits from consuming sugar and you're just fooling yourself if you think there is. It's just  a legal form of 'crack', haha


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TypeBase may rate sugar as neutral for secretors but my SWAMI rates sugar, white and brown as black dots. serving is 0-1tsp as needed.  It is an avoid for me obviously but was for many years before I was diabetic. Their are zero health benefits from consuming sugar and you're just fooling yourself if you think there is. It's just  a legal form of 'crack', haha


Now this makes more sense - having sugar as a black dot or avoid rather than neutral.  I would imagine that the more up-to-date information found in one's SWAMI, based upon the latest research and medical information, is a more accurate rating for a empty food like sugar.

Also, as I stated above, it is not just the rating on the food, but the frequency value that I think can often get ignored.  If one consumes ANY processed foods at all, you can almost be sure that sugar is added.
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Watermelon is a diamond for me, but I have to carefully watch my portions. I hate the feeling when I have eaten too much sugar of ANY kind, and plain old sugar is poison itself. But I was aware of this long before I heard of BTD/SWAMI. I learned when I was fourteen that sugar was not my friend.


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Now this makes more sense - having sugar as a black dot or avoid rather than neutral.  I would imagine that the more up-to-date information found in one's SWAMI, based upon the latest research and medical information, is a more accurate rating for a empty food like sugar.

Also, as I stated above, it is not just the rating on the food, but the frequency value that I think can often get ignored.  If one consumes ANY processed foods at all, you can almost be sure that sugar is added.

All sugars are avoids (toxins) for me on SWAMI. Makes all the sense in the world to me too.


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Well -- still, even if it is from a coconut flower.....the genus of the plant itself is coconut. It's plant nectar. I can have coconut meat so I know this sugar is not a total avoid for me. And it's great that it can be crystalized. But concerning the healthiness of sugars in general......wow I have had so much more of a positive experience using my beneficial honey in my morning tea instead of neutral stevia all the time. I feel it in the energy and brightness of my outlook afterwards.

I just found one of Possum's posts on this thread. Makes me feel wistful. Hugs to you, ((((((((Possie))))))) where you are.


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I think the Blood Type Diet and the Geno Type Diet rate sugar as pretty much bad for all.
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Hi, Patty H.
Last week I saw your post claiming that the BTD had rated a food item differently from TypeBase, so I linked to TypeBase. Period.

Now I see that that post of mine, quoted above in its entirety, was responded to by you with tangents: links and defenses and the assumption that I need "help" "re-think[ing my] daily use of sugar as an added sweetener"  
I simply referred the Forum to TypeBase and provided the link. And that's how you responded to me.
Whatever you read into my post, and wherever you went with that, including your advice (about a problem I don't have, BTW), I see your passion, but I don't see its relation to my post. I showed how you had mischaracterized the BTD's actual rating of sugar - that's all. Nothing about sugar's properties, dangers, whatever.  
I don't know if - by coming out with all guns blazing - you're trying to deter people from checking sources or what. I sure hope no one will ever feel browbeaten and afraid to check sources here; it makes for a much richer thread...normally.  


For reference: Here's your response to my TypeBase link - nothing added, nothing subtracted:

Quoted from Patty H
While it may be considered neutral for secretors, it can cause a whole host of problems related to diabetes, metabolic syndrome, heart disease, cancer, etc.  There is a lot of information out there concerning the use and overuse of sugar.  It is an addictive substance and the more you eat, the more your want.   It has ZERO nutritive value and just adds calories and weight.  Since all carbs metabolize to sugar, eliminating sugar in any form other than from complex carbohydrates is a great first step towards health, wellness and weight control - just my humble opinion.  Cancer cells feed on sugar.  Heart disease, diabetes and metabolic syndrome can develop due to overuse of sugar and are all made worse by sugar.

I am not advocating that one needs to give it up altogether - an occasional dessert is ok - but to use sugar as a daily sweetener is asking for trouble because there is no daily allowance for sugar since it has no nutritive value.  This article says that only 10% of all calories should come from sugar.  Here is the article.  

http://www.foodpolitics.com/2013/02/lets-ask-marion-whats-the-recommended-daily-allowance-of-sugar/

If you have any questions or concerns about the dangers of eating sugar, please watch Robert Lustig's video, Sugar: The Bitter Truth.  Hopefully it will help you to re-think your daily use of sugar as an added sweetener.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM


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Hi, Patty H.
Last week I saw your post claiming that the BTD had rated a food item differently from TypeBase, so I linked to TypeBase. Period.

Now I see that that post of mine, quoted above in its entirety, was responded to by you with tangents: links and defenses and the assumption that I need "help" "re-think[ing my] daily use of sugar as an added sweetener"  
I simply referred the Forum to TypeBase and provided the link. And that's how you responded to me.
Whatever you read into my post, and wherever you went with that, including your advice (about a problem I don't have, BTW), I see your passion, but I don't see its relation to my post. I showed how you had mischaracterized the BTD's actual rating of sugar - that's all. Nothing about sugar's properties, dangers, whatever.  
I don't know if - by coming out with all guns blazing - you're trying to deter people from checking sources or what. I sure hope no one will ever feel browbeaten and afraid to check sources here; it makes for a much richer thread...normally.  


For reference: Here's your response to my TypeBase link - nothing added, nothing subtracted:



To each his/her own, San j.  I believe sugar does more harm and zero good and research and nutritional science backs this up.  I wasn't chastising you or trying to correct you - I was simply stating my opinion based on other books and research I have read.  I also agreed that you were correct and Typebase rates it as neutral for secretors, so why the defensiveness?  

I recommended that people look at the frequencies as well.  Sugar is just empty calories that can cause a series of very serious health problems, not to mention add unwanted weight.  Why the need for sweeteners?  Why not allow the food or beverage one consumes to stand on its own without doctoring it up with sugar.   This is supposed to be a "healthy food diet", after all.  Sugar certainly does not fall into the category of a "healthy food".  It's addictive as well.

But again, if you choose to eat sugar daily, go for it.
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Wow, over reaction SanJ ?

I don't see where Patty even mentioned your name and certainly can't find any 'guns blazing'.
I believe she simply stated facts and even added the words 'just my humble opinion'.

Why is everything picked apart and argued? Bickering is so unbecoming


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Well -- still, even if it is from a coconut flower.....the genus of the plant itself is coconut. It's plant nectar. I can have coconut meat so I know this sugar is not a total avoid for me. And it's great that it can be crystalized. But concerning the healthiness of sugars in general......wow I have had so much more of a positive experience using my beneficial honey in my morning tea instead of neutral stevia all the time. I feel it in the energy and brightness of my outlook afterwards.

I just found one of Possum's posts on this thread. Makes me feel wistful. Hugs to you, ((((((((Possie))))))) where you are.

I get my "fix" from a very small serving of watermelon. When I was quoting SWAMI about SUGAR that didn't include honey, agave, maple syrup, molasses or barley malt which I can have by the teaspoonful.

I miss Possum too. I was thinking about her this week.


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But again, if you choose to eat sugar daily, go for it.

You too.  


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You too.  


I try to avoid sugar like the plague!  I don't add it to anything unless I am having company and making a dessert or asked to bring a dessert to someone's else's house.  That might be about 6 times per year.  I don't drink juice or soda or eat processed foods, so my daily "sugar load" is pretty low to zero - which is the way I like it.  Sometimes I eat fruit but not every day.
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